Author Topic: Flat Earth is a Psyop (Read 185038 times)

Freind · « **Reply #85 on:** December 12, 2025, 05:55:56 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 12, 2025, 05:47:30 PM

Moral certainty is inherently subjective. We're waiting for the Church to decide. When She does, then it's objective. Before that, it's subjective.

That the Catholic Church is the true Church is objective. That is the certainty of Faith. As well is the Assumption and that nobody can find the bodily remains of Our Lady on earth.
You understand?

Freind · « **Reply #86 on:** December 12, 2025, 06:05:26 PM »

Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 12, 2025, 06:03:27 PM

Yes of course.

My only point is how does each "subject" harmonize with the objective truth?

They need to have moral convictions (and obey them) that propel them towards truth.

Yes, as with any Protestant reading the objective truth.

Freind · « **Reply #87 on:** December 12, 2025, 06:19:52 PM »

Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 12, 2025, 06:13:17 PM

Prot: "I have a moral conviction that "X" should be believed/acted upon because it is my truth."

Catholic: "I have a moral conviction that "X" should be believed/acted upon because it harmonizes with the objective truth of the Catholic Faith."

Prot on his way to converting: "I have a moral conviction that the Catholic Church is the true Church - now I need act and convert."

All Catholic books state OBJECTIVE truth. The authors don't refrain just because there are people who are expected to struggle with it.
It is objective truth that a true pope cannot promote to the universal Church anything harmful to Faith or Morals.

Freind · « **Reply #88 on:** December 12, 2025, 06:27:30 PM »

Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 12, 2025, 06:23:23 PM

Yes, and that objective truth acts like a seed on those of good will - and leads them to be CONVICTED TO ACT upon that truth (moral certainty).

Once the act of separating from the false Popes is consummate in its entirety (and this is KEY) then one is in full possession of the objective truth in this matter and the subject has become reconciled to the objective truth in this case, as you say, "that a true pope cannot promote to the universal Church anything harmful to Faith or Morals."

There is ALWAYS the subjective element to accepting the objective truth. But we MUST STILL PRESENT THE OBJECTIVE TRUTH AND SAY IT IS.
The objective truth is that nobody can find Our Lady's mortal remains on earth in some archaeological site.
Likewise, the objective truth is that papal claimants since Vatican II cannot be true popes if they promote the heresies of V2 to the Church.
Not a dogma, but as certain as a dogma, so the certainty is as certain as the Faith itself.

Freind · « **Reply #89 on:** December 12, 2025, 06:35:34 PM »

Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 12, 2025, 06:32:17 PM

I agree.

And I have argued the same above about the need to convince/compel others as an act of necessary charity.

But, the subject is having difficulty reconciling his actions with the objective truth. So, they most be shown that this is the case, which becomes all the more difficult if one has substituted this issue that pertains to one's salvation for another that doesn't (FE). Not saying everyone is doing that. Maybe no one is doing that. Maybe some are. The similarities between the two issues are just too glaringly similar to overlook (IMO). Thus I am on this "Flat Earth is a Psyop" thread arguing that it actually is a Psyop of sorts - at the minimum in some cases - a potential Psyop one is running on their own subconscience.

Just press for a map. Keeping pressing. They never can present one. They look silly.

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