Author Topic: Flat Earth is a Psyop (Read 115596 times)

SkidRowCatholic · « **Reply #60 on:** December 11, 2025, 05:03:12 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on December 11, 2025, 04:52:36 PM

And you're deflecting from the conversation, specifically everything I said in my post.

OK then.

Just wanted to figure how "close to the edge" I was.

Quote from: Matthew on December 11, 2025, 04:42:58 PM

Why do you care so much what my personal opinion is, on the status of the recent popes?

I think it is an error to hold that these men are true Popes as only as a personal opinion.

There are other levels of certitude beneath DOGMA.

I would argue not only CAN one be MORALLY CERTAIN they are not true Popes, I argue one SHOULD be morally certain they are not true Popes (and if they aren't the issue isn't with the argumentation).

It matters for all the reasons that have been argued here for decades.
Catholics unite around the Pope.
If no Pope then they ban together.
The question of the current crisis is divisive by nature - coming to terms with one another is more desirable than continuing to fight against each other.
The let bygones be bygones and pretend to all get along approach has never worked - and in my estimation is quite "delusional"
It is also about extirpating error wherever it is found. We all do what we can.
Those are some of my reasons.

But my theory (about FE projection) is just a theory.

Call it delusional if you will, but there are too many similarities to just chalk it up to coincidence.

We can all do mental projection at times, find ways to cope, distract, deflect, etc.

Quo vadis Domine · « **Reply #61 on:** December 11, 2025, 05:12:41 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 11, 2025, 04:18:23 PM

Scripture says the Moon gives it's own light. I trust Scripture over my eyes.

Proof texting Scripture is very protestant. This was obviously not the common belief of Catholics throughout the centuries and I doubt that it was the common interpretation of Scripture even before Christ.

Thank you for admitting that what you observe with your eyes is actually the sunlight reflecting on the Moon!

Quo vadis Domine · « **Reply #62 on:** December 11, 2025, 05:25:55 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on December 11, 2025, 04:51:10 PM

Then either he was a liar, a dupe, or not very intelligent.
I give 1/2 a credit to Boomers for believing in the Moon Landing nonsense. After all, it was a full-fledged no holds barred Psy-op. I mean, they were 10 year old kids and their teachers wheeled out TV sets and the whole school watched Neil Armstrong take "One Large Step for Mankind". That kind of brainwashing changes a person for life.
I mean, EVERYONE around him before, during, and after "the event" was 100% convinced. Of course it's going to be deep in his soul, having the power of nostalgia and dozens of other psychological factors going for it.

But anyone born after 1965 has no excuse. In the 1970s it APPEARED we were taking this huge step forward landing on the Moon. There was no evidence out there (media, newspapers, magazines) exposing the hoax yet. There were no websites or forums; anyone with "doubts" kept them to himself, so he wasn't considered crazy. And people really thought we were entering a new era, "The Space Age".

But today, in 2025, we have no excuse for believing that nonsense. We still don't have a $50 webcam pointed at the "globe earth" for crying out loud. Nor do we have any rocket launches with external FPV unbroken video footage. They always arc off into the distance (to dump into the ocean), and the program cuts to an obvious CGI cartoon of a rocket up in space somewhere. They seem to pass it off as actual footage too (?) which is bizarre. NASA claims they can't go beyond the Van Allen Belts of radiation, which is insane considering they supposedly did so during the Apollo missions. Everything doesn't add up. The whole story is FULL of holes.

After the "breakthrough" in 1969, it hasn't been followed up at all. We haven't landed anywhere (not even faked) since the last Apollo mission. Pretty soon, anyone who remembers the Apollo missions will be in a nursing home. If they want to keep up the "Space age" psy-op, they're going to have to do something -- and soon. Heaven help us.

Seriously, tell me about the last invention or breakthrough that wasn't repeated, followed-up on, or improved for the next FIFTY SIX YEARS. I'll wait.
Could you imagine the Wright Brothers inventing the airplane, and then no more airplanes were built, by any developed country, even 56 years later? Ha!

You missed the point entirely. Just because he worked at NASA means very little with this discussion. Please see my first post on this. For the record, he was a very nice fellow, but just believed what he was told and was probably compartmentalized in his job. He worked on the shielding for the Space Shuttle. He wasn’t a “boomer”, and was a WWII vet who would have turned 101 this January.

Angelus · « **Reply #63 on:** December 11, 2025, 05:26:51 PM »

Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 11, 2025, 04:31:28 PM

This is the same thing SVs say to those who hold that the post-Vatican II claimants to the Throne were/are legitimate Roman Pontiffs...

So my theory is;

FE for R&R trads is a subconscience projection of the current papal issue (a supernatural mystery they feel is impossible to solve).

They project that issue onto FE ( which is a natural question they believe they have solved).

i.e., "Finally we have the answers! Now everything makes sense!" They have been "enlightened". They are "woke" to the "truth", etc. and they want you to join them, but if you remain obstinate, then so be it...

These ^ are all things SVs say to those who cling to the heretical false Popes as Pope.

Rather than spend their time researching the Church's teaching on that issue so as to resolve all doubts, they settle for eating the spoon-fed theological slop of the SSPX and direct their attention in that respect to something more manageable. Enter FE.

In fact, they are so certain of their position on FE, that it supplies for their lack of moral certainty regarding if these men are Popes or not.

They often exude supreme self-confidence in their position because they have this certitude, and none shall deter them from their course.

Now, if R&R are right then FE has served its purpose and preserves them from a "schismatic mentality" by allowing them to shift their perplexities about one issues onto another.

But if they are wrong and the SVs are right, then FE was just a massive cope and distraction that served no purpose at all but to deflect the actual issue they are struggling to comprehend.

If there are any straight-up SVs (not sededoubtists) out there that can confirm or deny if they buy into FE please speak up.

Yes, but the FE discussions on CI serve a social purpose as well. The SV and R&R can put aside their differences once in a while and talk about FE. Then it becomes FEs vs Normies, rather than SVs vs. R&Rs. It promotes bro-bonding. It's the new huntin' and fishin' for people stuck behind their keyboards all day.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #64 on:** December 11, 2025, 05:28:14 PM »

Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 11, 2025, 05:12:41 PM

Proof texting Scripture is very protestant. This was obviously not the common belief of Catholics throughout the centuries and I doubt that it was the common interpretation of Scripture even before Christ.

Scripture is to be taken LITERALLY, unless the Church tells us otherwise. The Church has never said that this verse is figurative (in fact, She says most of Genesis is to be taken literally).

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Thank you for admitting that what you observe with your eyes is actually the sunlight reflecting on the Moon!

No, I was referring to what YOU think you see. What I see, is the moon giving off light, while the sun is set. I believe the moon has it's own light, which is perceptible and also Scriptural.

Quo vadis Domine · « **Reply #65 on:** December 11, 2025, 06:03:33 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 11, 2025, 05:28:14 PM

Scripture is to be taken LITERALLY, unless the Church tells us otherwise. The Church has never said that this verse is figurative (in fact, She says most of Genesis is to be taken literally).

No, I was referring to what YOU think you see. What I see, is the moon giving off light, while the sun is set. I believe the moon has it's own light, which is perceptible and also Scriptural.

If you’re old enough to remember or have seen old movies or shows about a doctor, you would have seen him with a round mirror on his head, this is called a head mirror. It was used as a very excellent source of light before the advent of modern headlamps and some doctors still use them today. It can *literally* be considered a light source. The Moon IS a light source, but that does NOT mean that it produces it’s own light.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #66 on:** December 11, 2025, 10:38:14 PM »

Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 11, 2025, 06:03:33 PM

If you’re old enough to remember or have seen old movies or shows about a doctor, you would have seen him with a round mirror on his head, this is called a head mirror. It was used as a very excellent source of light before the advent of modern headlamps and some doctors still use them today. It can *literally* be considered a light source. The Moon IS a light source, but that does NOT mean that it produces it’s own light.

Scripture says that the moon is a light source. The first time that it was proposed that the moon reflects the sun's light is from the atheistic, satantic, anti-Isreal Greeks. The same Greeks who tried to kill the Maccabees, tried to destroy the True Religion (at the time), and who tried to create the NWO, before the Roman Empire destroyed them.

Prior to the Greeks, the prevailing notion was that the moon was it's own light source, as Scripture says multiple times.

Quo vadis Domine · « **Reply #67 on:** December 12, 2025, 05:03:49 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 11, 2025, 10:38:14 PM

Scripture says that the moon is a light source. The first time that it was proposed that the moon reflects the sun's light is from the atheistic, satantic, anti-Isreal Greeks. The same Greeks who tried to kill the Maccabees, tried to destroy the True Religion (at the time), and who tried to create the NWO, before the Roman Empire destroyed them.

Prior to the Greeks, the prevailing notion was that the moon was it's own light source, as Scripture says multiple times.

All the best to you.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #68 on:** December 12, 2025, 08:11:10 AM »

The Greeks also pushed the heretical heliocentrism view, they were pedophiles and they worshipped the sun. All similar things found in modern-day Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

SkidRowCatholic · « **Reply #69 on:** December 12, 2025, 08:57:52 AM »

Quote from: Angelus on December 11, 2025, 05:26:51 PM

Then it becomes FEs vs Normies, rather than SVs vs. R&Rs. It promotes bro-bonding. It's the new huntin' and fishin' for people stuck behind their keyboards all day.

I would rather go hunting or fishing at least that could turn out to be a productive use of time.

I still fail to grasp WHY FE even matters (Matthew already gave me his answers on a previous thread) and all I could see was the similarities between the current papacy question and FE in terms of how adamant they are, how "fringe" they are, how they have to argue ceaselessly about it, etc. But FE really doesn't matter because if today you decide the earth is flat you lose NOTHING.

I think the papacy question matters because it is SPIRITUAL and NECESSARY and if you are getting it wrong due to negligence, fear, pride, or any other number of traps (and this goes for both SVs and R&R) then I believe that does have REAL consequences. I know that some would like to imagine God will understand just because we are confused and therefore the question doesn't really matter because He is so merciful, compassionate, loving, and good. But I think this is another deflection.

Whereas, if today I decide the earth is flat....then......what?

contra, if today I acknowledge that Bobby Prevost is a non-Catholic and therefore cannot possibly be the Vicar of Christ's Church on earth - this actually implies a whole different way of viewing/thinking of the papacy (a healthy Catholic way I would argue) AND it implies action, by positively having no communion with a false Pope whatsoever and cutting all ties to the false church spawned at Vatican II. But that is where the fear kicks in and it gets "real" because they think if they view the Vatican like that for 30+years they will never be able to return if somehow things could be righted there (don't ask me how). But this isn't prudence as much as fear. And it also shows a lack of trust in God and a weak faith, IMO. Religious truth matters for it's own sake, and the papacy question goes well beyond mere Church politics - it is in the realm of do, or die in the fight for our souls (again IMO).

But I am happy to leave others to spin their wheels and "bro bond" over FE.

I just have a theory and wanted to make an observation.

Cera · « **Reply #70 on:** December 12, 2025, 01:20:47 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 11, 2025, 04:18:23 PM

Scripture says the Moon gives it's own light. I trust Scripture over my eyes.

Where does it say this?

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #71 on:** December 12, 2025, 01:48:53 PM »

Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 12, 2025, 08:57:52 AM

I still fail to grasp WHY FE even matters

Here's why it matters (in no particular order, but the list is long). If the land is flat (the earth is a globe shape)...

Practical outcomes...
1. Big-science and Big-govt have lied to the population since around the 1500s, (start of heliocentrism, Galileo, etc) or 500 years.
2. If Big-science can't be trusted, then people start questioning other things (i.e. evolution, climate change, etc).
3. If Big-govt can't be trusted, then people start questioning other things (i.e. moon landing, aliens, nasa's HUGE budget, etc).
4. Every single sci-fi/outer-space tv show, movie, was pure fiction and is a made-up story. What else is big-media lying about?
5. Most every science book is wrong and was lying. What else are science books lying about?
6. If Big-history can't be trusted, then what else are they lying about? (Egypt pyramids, Great Flood, age of the earth, Biblical miracles, etc).

Philosophical outcomes...
1. If the earth's land is flat, then Scripture is correct. If Scripture is correct in this area, then it's correct in other areas (i.e. Adam/Eve, Noah's ark, history, etc).
2. If Scripture is correct, then creation is way, way, WAY smaller than we think. There's no "outer space" because of the firmament.
3. If there's no outer-space, then earth IS THE CENTER of the universe, not the sun.
4. People on earth are NOT a little 'ol galaxy among millions of others, we ARE the ONLY galaxy.
5. The sun, moon, stars are not "just like other sun, moon, stars", no, they are the ONLY sun, moon, stars.
6. Earth is not a planet, amongst many planets, but it is a SPECIAL place, and the ONLY place where human life exists.
7. The sun, moon, stars were created ONLY for earth, and ONLY for us human beings, based on God's design.
8. The earth is it. The earth is the focus. The earth is the center of the creation. The earth is where human beings are tested to save their souls.
9. All of life, in any form ONLY exists on earth. Nowhere else.
10. Evolution is bogus and a complete lie. There was no 'big bang' because there's no outer space.

Religious outcomes...
1. Scripture is 100% correct and the ONLY way that humans originated. Evolution is a lie. Adam & Eve were real.
2.  Original Sin is real. Concupiscence is real. The devil is real.
3.  There's no outer space, there's no aliens, there are only humans, who need to save their souls.
4.  God created the world for mankind alone. Everything that happens in history and science is meant to glorify God and to help mankind love Him.
5. The Bible is the ONLY true history and science book, given to us, by God. And it is meant to show humanity how God loves us.
6.  Adam/Eve sinned, they needed a Redeemer, therefore Christ came and the story of Jesus is true.
7.  All of creation, all of history, all of science is meant to revolve AROUND the story of Christ and humanity. It's meant to revolve around humanity's salvation.
8.  Christ came to Redeem mankind of Original Sin and He started a Church.
9. The purpose of the Church is the same as the purpose of the OT laws/stories/miracles - to guide humanity to heaven.
10. The earth is small. Humanity's purpose is big. Evolution, outer-space, etc are all lies meant to distract from our purpose of loving God.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #72 on:** December 12, 2025, 01:49:16 PM »

Quote from: Cera on December 12, 2025, 01:20:47 PM

Where does it say this?

Look it up.

Cera · « **Reply #73 on:** December 12, 2025, 01:59:30 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 12, 2025, 01:49:16 PM

Look it up.

Genesis 1:16And God made two great lights: a greater light to rule the day; and a lesser light to rule the night: and the stars.

Hope you don't mean this, because "lesser light to rule the night: and the stars" does not support your claim.

Also, if the moon were to give off its own light, how can we explain the phases of the moon?

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #74 on:** December 12, 2025, 02:13:11 PM »

"Flat Earth is a Psyop"

Absolutely. Haven't read the thread, but it cropped up when The Principle came out. Been meaning to cover this, but I never get around to it.

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