Author Topic: Flat Earth is a Psyop (Read 115616 times)

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #105 on:** December 14, 2025, 10:39:17 AM »

It is well above my pay grade to say much at all, but clearly God was not pleased with His people both during the period leading up to the Babylonian Exile and the period preceding V2 and the imposition of the NOM. Presuming there is some sort of prefiguration/parallel between the two periods, many of the details would be and, in fact, are notably beyond my ability to speculate or understand.

Freind · « **Reply #106 on:** December 14, 2025, 10:48:18 AM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 14, 2025, 10:24:06 AM

Uh, you clearly misunderstood things completely. We were/are discussing the 70 years of the Babylonian Captivity. Unless I am gravely mistaken, neither Peter nor John were alive during the period under consideration.

What did you mean by "there was no worship in the Temple during the 70 years"?

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #107 on:** December 14, 2025, 10:54:40 AM »

Quote from: Freind on December 14, 2025, 10:48:18 AM

What did you mean by "there was no worship in the Temple during the 70 years"?

Oddly enough, I meant what I said. During the Babylonian Exile -- 500-ish years before Sts. Peter and John existed -- there was no worship in the Temple. If someone is both able and willing to confirm otherwise, I will happily consider any evidence in support of such an idea.

Freind · « **Reply #108 on:** December 14, 2025, 11:14:03 AM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 14, 2025, 10:54:40 AM

Oddly enough, I meant what I said. During the Babylonian Exile -- 500-ish years before Sts. Peter and John existed -- there was no worship in the Temple. If someone is both able and willing to confirm otherwise, I will happily consider any evidence in support of such an idea.

Understood.

Freind · « **Reply #109 on:** December 14, 2025, 11:19:14 AM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 14, 2025, 09:18:31 AM

Thank you for the excellent, pertinent information, Angelus. FWIW, there was no worship in the Temple during the 70 years, i.e., God took it away and did not want to receive it from His children for the duration of the period of penance and purification.

1959 to 2029...70 years. We shall see. Godspeed to all non-AI of goodwill who read these words.

If the 70 is significant in the current disaster, God's way are not ours. The starting date may be different.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #110 on:** December 14, 2025, 11:54:39 AM »

Quote from: Freind on December 14, 2025, 11:19:14 AM

If the 70 is significant in the current disaster, God's way are not ours. The starting date may be different.

Absolutely zero argument there. I was just throwing out a possible 70-year stretch. The precise beginning will likely remain somewhat unclear until it has ended, but end it will and probably pretty soon (within five to 15 years, imo).

Ladislaus · « **Reply #111 on:** December 14, 2025, 12:29:58 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 14, 2025, 09:18:31 AM

Thank you for the excellent, pertinent information, Angelus. FWIW, there was no worship in the Temple during the 70 years, i.e., God took it away and did not want to receive it from His children for the duration of the period of penance and purification.

1959 to 2029...70 years. We shall see. Godspeed to all non-AI of goodwill who read these words.

Yes, I've actually put these dates together before because Our Lady requested the consecration of Russia on June 13, 2029. Shortly thereafter, Our Lord appeared to Sister Lucia complaining that the Popes would follow the examples of the Kings of France. Now, the parallel there is striking, since exactly 100 years to the day after Our Lord had requested that the King consecrate France to His Sacred Heart, the Third Estate deposed the King.

Angelus · « **Reply #112 on:** December 14, 2025, 01:38:29 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 14, 2025, 10:24:06 AM

Uh, you clearly misunderstood things completely. We were/are discussing the 70 years of the Babylonian Captivity. Unless I am gravely mistaken, neither Peter nor John were alive during the period under consideration.

The 70 years of Jeremiah is an end times prophecy and was the subject matter of the 70 Weeks prophecy in Daniel 9.

Those who say that "weeks" are not "years," need to harmonize the two descriptions. Jeremiah uses "years," while the Angel in Daniel uses "weeks," but they must refer to the same thing. How?

In the Israelite religious system, one of the major Feasts is called the "Feast of Weeks." We call the Feast Pentecost. That Feast happens once every year.

So 70 years = 70 Pentecosts. Same amount of time.

And in the true Third Secret, Sr. Lucia says at the end:

"Our Lady told us that this is written, [in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44."

Daniel 9:24-25 is the 70 Weeks prophecy. So her true Third Secret is referring to the 70 year period starting "before 1960." Here is the text again:

Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret;
This part is the apostasy in the Church!

Our Lady showed us a Church, but this was a
Church of hell, and an individual who I describe as the 'holy
Father' leading a multitude that was praising the devil,
but there was a difference from a true holy Father, the gaze,
this one had the gaze of evil.

Then we saw the same Pope entering a Church,
after some moments, but there is no way to describe the
ugliness of that place, it looked like a gray cement fortress
with broken angles and windows similar to eyes;
it had a beak in the roof of the building.

Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who
said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church.

Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority
will be removed and delivered to Fatima. The cathedra [or chair] of Rome will be
destroyed and a new one built in Fatima.

In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter's tomb
will be removed and transferred to Fatima.

This letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be
announced after Pius XII and before 1960.

If 69 weeks after this order is announced, Rome continues its
abomination, the city will be destroyed.

Our Lady told us that this is written, [in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44.
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Angelus · « **Reply #113 on:** December 14, 2025, 03:40:46 PM »

Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 14, 2025, 02:04:09 PM

"Rome continues its abomination."

The, "Pope leading the people in devil worship."

"The dogma of faith is not preserved in Rome"

These ^ are all reasons I think TIA is keen to endorse this alleged 3rd secret as the authentic one.

It lines up well with the seeming MISTRANSLATION of Fr. Palau's vision in that it is "R&R friendly".

These outlandish (and I would argue heretical) claims within the alleged secret are what enable them to persist in their errors concerning indefectability.

Years ago I sent them a string of emails asking them to show me one teaching or discipline that was promulgated by a Pope for the Universal Church that was heretical. They had nothing...So we ended the communication.

I have already shown that TIA either;

A) didn't know the translation of Fr. Palau's vision they posted is inaccurate.

Or,

B) The author of the piece and/or TIA itself has most likely altered the text.

Though, I am open to some other explanation.

Do you happen to know the source of this "3rd Secret."

Who else is really presenting it as "authentic"?

Here we can see they know Portuguese so, why couldn't they get that Fr. Palau translation right?

In Palua's vision the Angel of Rome says it is its PRIESTS that he will destroy, not the city...

https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B352_Secret.html

Originally, the TIA thought it was a hoax and put the docuмent aside for about 7 years. Then the handwriting was confirmed to be Sr. Lucia's by a forensic handwriting expert. Only after that did the TIA give it a second look.

I have no contact with these TIA people. I am not promoting them. Look at the docuмent yourself and confirm the Portuguese with a dictionary if you think they have mistranslated. I did so, and did not find any problems.

https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g32ht_Analyst.htm

https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g33ht_Decipher.htm

Angelus · « **Reply #114 on:** December 14, 2025, 04:33:49 PM »

Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 14, 2025, 03:49:50 PM

No. The mistranslation is in TIA's version of Fr. Palau's work that my other thread shows:

https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/francisco-palau's-prophecies/

I would describe them as vehemently against any form of sedevacantism.

They definitely have Portuguese translators they can turn to - so why does it seem they so badly mangled the Fr. Palau vision in a way that supports their dogmatic R&Rism?

I would only trust their docuмents SLIGHTLY more than that of the Masons. Your sources are dubious.

Then don't trust the TIA translations. Verify the translation yourself by looking at the original facsimile. You don't need to TIA. Take them out of the picture altogether. The Third Secret has nothing to do with the TIA.

Freind · « **Reply #115 on:** December 14, 2025, 05:14:46 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 14, 2025, 11:54:39 AM

Absolutely zero argument there. I was just throwing out a possible 70-year stretch. The precise beginning will likely remain somewhat unclear until it has ended, but end it will and probably pretty soon (within five to 15 years, imo).

I tend to think the start year would be the invalidation of the Holy Sacrifice.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #116 on:** December 16, 2025, 08:15:05 AM »

Quote from: Freind on December 14, 2025, 05:14:46 PM

I tend to think the start year would be the invalidation of the Holy Sacrifice.

I agree that such makes sense, at least from our limited perspective. In such a case, we'd be looking at either the NOM dates, possibly 1969, or the days surrounding the vernacular usages in the pre-NOM days, such as October 1967, etc. I admit that 1969 to 2039, for example, would be harder to grasp/accept because then we'd be facing 14 more years of trial. God's ways are not our ways and we don't deserve His assistance whatsoever, but it is also difficult to see how the rapidly-disintegrating world situation could even hold together that long. The final, third part of the Secret of Fatima was supposed to be released no later than 1960, so it is also entirely sensible to look at that period as the beginning of the Great Apostasy, etc.

God willing, we will find out soon enough. May we both accept and even willingly embrace His adorable will, whatever it happens to be, now and always. Godspeed.

SimpleMan · « **Reply #117 on:** December 16, 2025, 08:32:26 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on December 14, 2025, 12:29:58 PM

Yes, I've actually put these dates together before because Our Lady requested the consecration of Russia on June 13, 2029. Shortly thereafter, Our Lord appeared to Sister Lucia complaining that the Popes would follow the examples of the Kings of France. Now, the parallel there is striking, since exactly 100 years to the day after Our Lord had requested that the King consecrate France to His Sacred Heart, the Third Estate deposed the King.

Do you mean to say "1919"?

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #118 on:** December 16, 2025, 11:02:06 AM »

Quote from: SimpleMan on December 16, 2025, 08:32:26 AM

Do you mean to say "1919"?

He meant 1929, which is when Our Lady appeared to Sr Lucia in her convent and officially asked for the Consecration to be done.
1929 + 100 = 2029

Pius XII's death 1958; John23 calls for Vatican 2 council in 1959.
1959 + 70 = 2029

NWO Elites' plan called "Agenda 2030".

D-day is 2029. Too many things line up.

Angelus · « **Reply #119 on:** December 16, 2025, 05:11:00 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 16, 2025, 11:02:06 AM

He meant 1929, which is when Our Lady appeared to Sr Lucia in her convent and officially asked for the Consecration to be done.
1929 + 100 = 2029

Pius XII's death 1958; John23 calls for Vatican 2 council in 1959.
1959 + 70 = 2029

NWO Elites' plan called "Agenda 2030".

D-day is 2029. Too many things line up.

Yes, and 2029 is exactly what the true Third Secret hints at as the culminating event of the end times.

She says:

Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret;
This part is the apostasy in the Church!

Our Lady showed us a Church, but this was a
Church of hell, and an individual who I describe as the 'holy
Father' leading a multitude that was praising the devil,
but there was a difference from a true holy Father, the gaze,
this one had the gaze of evil.

Then we saw the same Pope entering a Church,
after some moments, but there is no way to describe the
ugliness of that place, it looked like a gray cement fortress
with broken angles and windows similar to eyes;
it had a beak in the roof of the building.

Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who
said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church.

Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority
will be removed and delivered to Fatima. The cathedra [or chair] of Rome will be
destroyed and a new one built in Fatima.

In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter's tomb
will be removed and transferred to Fatima.

This letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be
announced after Pius XII and before 1960.

If 69 weeks [Feast of Weeks/Pentecosts] after this order is announced, Rome continues its
abomination, the city will be destroyed.

Our Lady told us that this is written, [in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44.
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