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Offline MariasAnawim

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Why isn't the Bible enough proof for flat earth
« on: January 29, 2022, 10:25:31 PM »
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  • When I first starting learning about the flat earth back in 2015 it sounded crazy and although there was much evidence supporting it, plus my own internal doubts about the globe since I was younger, I was doubtful until all the Bible verses that confirmed it.
    Later there was also the book of Enoch that supports it.
    The Bible was the nail in the coffin so to speak because all truth is contained in Holy Scripture.
    Of course it is a shame that the church at some point embraced this globe theory, but throughout history it did not state this to be true.
    Another thing is that the elite have created all of this for the alien agenda.
    And unfortunately many catholics are playing right into their hands regarding all of this. That is why it is an important topic to discuss and search out because it is part of the great deception. If you can believe there glob lie then you will easily be fooled by their other propaganda.
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    Re: Why isn't the Bible enough proof for flat earth
    « Reply #1 on: January 29, 2022, 10:30:45 PM »
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  • Because people these days tend to put all of their faith in modern science than the plain words of Scripture. I believe the earth is a flat plane enclosed in a globular dome because that's what Scripture describes. And, to me, that is the strongest argument for it.

    And this is all I'm saying on the matter, as I've grown tired of the Flat Earth vs Globe Earth arguments as of late.

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    Re: Why isn't the Bible enough proof for flat earth
    « Reply #2 on: January 29, 2022, 10:34:24 PM »
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  • People interpret the Bible differently.  The Church has never definitively stated its position in favour of either interpretation.  Therefore Catholics are at liberty to interpret what shape the Bible may or may not be describing.  If it is as self-evident as you describe, then this would showcased by a moral unanimity of Catholics accepting a specific view.  No such unanimity exists.  I, for my own part, could not care less what shape the Earth takes.
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    Re: Why isn't the Bible enough proof for flat earth
    « Reply #3 on: January 29, 2022, 10:38:25 PM »
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  • Because the Bible contains allegory, poetry, prose, historical genres based on at least three different ancient languages that underwent morphological evolution during the writing of the books of the Bible, and literary particularities that make a literal reading of an always imperfect translation by a layperson ambiguous at best.

    Your average Catholic does not simply pick up the Bible and extrapolate doctrines & conclusions. This is absolutely inimical to being a Catholic.

    Infallibly condemned in Unigenitus by Pope Clement XI:

    80. The reading of Sacred Scripture is for all.

    81. The sacred obscurity of the Word of God is no reason for the laity to dispense themselves from reading it.

    Declared and condemned as false, captious, evil-sounding, offensive to pious ears, scandalous, pernicious, rash, injurious to the Church and her practice, insulting not only to the Church but also the secular powers seditious, impious, blasphemous, suspected of heresy, and smacking of heresy itself, and, besides, favoring heretics and heresies, and also schisms, erroneous, close to heresy, many times condemned, and finally heretical, clearly renewing many heresies respectively and most especially those which are contained in the infamous propositions of Jansen, and indeed accepted in that sense in which these have been condemned.

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    Re: Why isn't the Bible enough proof for flat earth
    « Reply #4 on: January 29, 2022, 10:55:44 PM »
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  • op be very cautious about enoch etc, a lot of protestants push this hard but imo its the worst way to argue fe as you are adopting a house of cards a protestant approach to scripture to base something you can support with a catholic bible on its own.


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    Re: Why isn't the Bible enough proof for flat earth
    « Reply #5 on: January 30, 2022, 04:28:48 AM »
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  • op be very cautious about enoch etc, a lot of protestants push this hard but imo its the worst way to argue fe as you are adopting a house of cards a protestant approach to scripture to base something you can support with a catholic bible on its own.

    Posting in all lowercase -- the most basic and kindergarten way to operate a sock puppet account. Everyone has a way of speaking, words used, phrases used (and not used), and hundreds of other things that could be measured, which make your speaking or writing every bit as unique as your fingerprint.

    It's near-impossible, or actually impossible, to write posts like someone else. It's related to the fact that 99% of people can't step outside themselves. In each of our minds, there's only one (best) way to say something. It's not the kind of thing people argue about, but it's still true. 

    Nice 1st post with a new account -- named after the issue you're discussing.

    Couldn't be more obvious that it's a sock puppet account. I wish there were no such thing as VPNs.
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    Re: Why isn't the Bible enough proof for flat earth
    « Reply #6 on: January 30, 2022, 04:40:01 AM »
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  • The Bible was the nail in the coffin so to speak because all truth is contained in Holy Scripture.

    You're right about the Bible supporting Flat Earth, however...

    All truth is NOT contained in Holy Scripture.  All Holy Scripture is Truth, but not vice-versa.

    I can't find anywhere in Scripture that water boils at 212 F. Or millions of other facts -- things that are true. Particularly in the area of natural science. You aren't going to find out which vegetables should be planted close to each other ("companion planting") in the Bible. 

    The idea that "all truth is in Holy Scripture" is obviously false and easily disproven. The protestants pretty much believe this, and it's why they resort to Scripture (not Tradition, common sense, or natural explanations) for why Rock music is bad, for example. Sorry, prots, but there's NOTHING in Scripture talking about Rock music. Yes there is plenty wrong with Rock music, and we should be teaching why it's bad and evil. But those reasons will NOT come from Scripture, because Scripture has nothing to offer in that particular fight. The Bible is too small a book. 
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    Re: Why isn't the Bible enough proof for flat earth
    « Reply #7 on: January 30, 2022, 05:00:28 AM »
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  • Besides, here is how St John closes his Gospel:

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    But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Re: Why isn't the Bible enough proof for flat earth
    « Reply #8 on: January 30, 2022, 05:34:43 AM »
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  • If it is as self-evident as you describe, then this would showcased by a moral unanimity of Catholics accepting a specific view.  No such unanimity exists.  I, for my own part, could not care less what shape the Earth takes.

    Are the V2 Robber Church and the Roman Catholic Church of 2000 years one and the same?  Is the difference self-evident?  If not, why are we all here at CI?  If so, why do so few people see that which is as clear as the summer sun?

    Considering the entire modern world/era is basically one enormous House of Lies dominated by the Father of Lies, is a lack of unanimity about anything, especially that which is true, really surprising? 

    While it may be difficult to wade through the erroneous muck on a great many issues, knowing the truth, whenever possible, is always preferable. 
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    Re: Why isn't the Bible enough proof for flat earth
    « Reply #9 on: January 30, 2022, 07:00:26 AM »
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  • Couldn't be more obvious that it's a sock puppet account. I wish there were no such thing as VPNs.

    Sorry my finger slipped and I accidentally downvoted this post.  Should have upvoted.

    I know of another forum that has a rule "VPNs, IP maskers, proxies, etc are not permitted" unless cleared with the forum owner first. Any account using these without permission is automatically banned.  People with a good reason to use them have to contact the admin to explain.  I am not sure how much extra work it would make, but it might be worth it.  These things foster a lot of problematic behaviour.

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    Re: Why isn't the Bible enough proof for flat earth
    « Reply #10 on: January 30, 2022, 11:25:51 AM »
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  • Because people these days tend to put all of their faith in modern science than the plain words of Scripture. I believe the earth is a flat plane enclosed in a globular dome because that's what Scripture describes. And, to me, that is the strongest argument for it.

    And this is all I'm saying on the matter, as I've grown tired of the Flat Earth vs Globe Earth arguments as of late.
    I would like to add one point: yes, we should defer to the Church on interpretation of Scripture. That is undeniable. But, She has said nothing on the shape or nature of the earth. Therefore, we have to discern to either trust Scripture, which has a clear description of the nature of the earth as seen in my second image; or, to trust modern scientists, who are the same men who deny the existence of Almighty God and derive all of their "truth" from a materialistic worldview, which may or may not be further driven by occult ideas.

    Second, when interpreting Scripture we are required to take it at it's literal word UNLESS it is clearly speaking metaphorically OR that which is described is IMPOSSIBLE. (See Bp. Sanborn's conference on Hell I just posted, he covers this fact of Scripture) which is supported by Providentissimus Deus by Pope Leo XIII:

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    15. But he must not on that account consider that it is forbidden, when just cause exists, to push inquiry and exposition beyond what the Fathers have done; provided he carefully observes the rule so wisely laid down by St. Augustine-not to depart from the literal and obvious sense, except only where reason makes it untenable or necessity requires;(40) a rule to which it is the more necessary to adhere strictly in these times, when the thirst for novelty and unrestrained freedom of thought make the danger of error most real and proximate

    Those things which describe the nature of the earth (all referenced in the second image) are not speaking metaphorically and are not in themselves an impossibility.

    Therefore, just as Scripture itself proves both cosmic and biological evolution wrong, it also proves that the modern cosmological model is wrong as well.
    "The declared enemies of God and His Church, heretics and schismatics, must be criticized as much as possible, as long as truth is not denied. It is a work of charity to shout: ‘Here is the wolf!’ when it enters the flock or anywhere else." -- Saint Francis de Sales

    "For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:" [2 Timothy 4:3]