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Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => Topic started by: Ladislaus on January 27, 2022, 09:18:48 PM

Title: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Ladislaus on January 27, 2022, 09:18:48 PM
Great video from David Weiss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5w8EetFwGo

He uses a 4K drone to film the sun simply fading out and NOT setting or going down as it disappears at "sunset".

I've seen other videos from FEs which show the sun "setting", appearing to be partially hidden by the horizon, and then they zoom in and it returns to being ABOVE the horizon, demonstrating that the perception that the sun is being cut off by the horizon as it sets is an optical effect.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Marion on January 27, 2022, 09:22:57 PM
Ridiculous. Anyone who has seen a sunset in reality, and many more, laugh at that pixel-pulp.

Lad, afford yourself a trip to the Atlantic or the Pacific, to see a real sunrise or sunset.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Ladislaus on January 27, 2022, 09:29:13 PM
Ridiculous. Anyone who has seen a sunset in reality, and many more, laugh at that pixel-pulp.

Brilliant comment, yet again.  You bring compelling evidence to the table as always.  Get lost if you have nothing intelligent to say.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Marion on January 27, 2022, 09:35:06 PM
Brilliant comment, yet again.  You bring compelling evidence to the table as always.  Get lost if you have nothing intelligent to say.


You've never seen a sunset or sunrise over the ocean with your own eyes, which is why you allow yourself to get fooled by youtube videos.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: DigitalLogos on January 27, 2022, 09:38:58 PM
Oh boy, here we go again... :facepalm:
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Ladislaus on January 27, 2022, 09:46:03 PM
1) yes, I've seen sunsets (including over the Ocean)
2) the entire point of this is that there are limits to one's vision that can be overcome to some extent with zoom lenses.

I've see many things "disppear" when they got too far away because I can only see so far.

You've clearly got some emotional problems regarding this issue that you have to come to terms with, issues which have you throwing puerile trantrums.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Ladislaus on January 27, 2022, 09:48:08 PM

You've never seen a sunset or sunrise over the ocean with your own eyes, ...

And you know this how?  This clearly demonstrates that you make things up.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Marion on January 27, 2022, 09:50:51 PM
And you know this how?  This clearly demonstrates that you make things up.

I know this, because you presented that video above. If you had frequently seen sunsets and/or sunrises above the ocean, you wouldn't post such BS.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Ladislaus on January 27, 2022, 10:03:28 PM
I know this, because you presented that video above. If you had frequently seen sunsets and/or sunrises above the ocean, you wouldn't post such BS.

You clearly experience psychological trauma at the very mention of flat earth.  You need to do some introspection and figure out why.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Marion on January 27, 2022, 10:05:41 PM
You clearly experience psychological trauma at the very mention of flat earth.  You need to do some introspection and figure out why.

Lots of laughter, Ladislaus. You break down on realizing that not everyone shares the opinion, you yourself didn't share a short while ago. Whom do you think you're fooling?


https://youtu.be/QYQX8fl1fnk
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Ladislaus on January 27, 2022, 10:08:39 PM
Lots of laughter, Ladislaus. You break down on realizing that not everyone shares the opinion, you yourself didn't share a short while ago. Whom do you think you're fooling?

Another idiotic statement.  I know full well that my opinion is in the extreme minority and will be ridiculed by buffoons such as yourself.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Marion on January 27, 2022, 10:15:00 PM
Another idiotic statement.  I know full well that my opinion is in the extreme minority and will be ridiculed by buffoons such as yourself.

"You clearly experience psychological trauma" were your words. And I didn't even pay for your expert advice.

Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Marion on January 27, 2022, 10:16:01 PM
Did you watch the whole video, Ladislaus, to see how the sun goes down?
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: roscoe on January 28, 2022, 01:17:52 AM
I don't even remember pooche as FE although he may have been Dogmatic Geo-central....

Is FE to be allowed at CI while wine is banned? :confused:
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Ladislaus on January 28, 2022, 10:07:27 AM
I don't even remember pooche as FE although he may have been Dogmatic Geo-central....

Is FE to be allowed at CI while wine is banned? :confused:

Who banned wine?  Or are you referring to Matthew's elimination of your MJ emoticon?
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Matthew on January 28, 2022, 10:12:21 AM
Lots of laughter, Ladislaus. You break down on realizing that not everyone shares the opinion, you yourself didn't share a short while ago. Whom do you think you're fooling?

But he didn't obsess over defending Globe Earth, nor did Flat Earth cause him visible discomfort. Big difference.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Ladislaus on January 28, 2022, 10:12:42 AM
Did you watch the whole video, Ladislaus, to see how the sun goes down?

Do you know anything about perspective?  When things get farther away, they go down in our field of view until converging with the center point of our vision, which is at the horizon.  Just by "observation" aka "looking" at a sunset, you can't tell if it's going down or getting father away.

There are too many videos out there where as the sun goes "down" (aka gets farther away), it gets smaller ... which should not be the case on its own if the sun is 93 million miles away (where a few thousand miles shouldn't make a noticeable difference).  Sometimes the sun doesn't get much smaller as it "sets", but the are also other factors at play, such as things get magnified through water and moisture.  There's atmospheric conditions and refraction involved.

So I welcome any arugment to explain how what we see could be explained by some other phenomena, but I'm incredilbly annoyed with your gratuitous "that's BS ... because muh seen a sunset" nonsense.  I'm tired of you trolling up every FE thread with your insults.  If you have some intellectual content to contribute, then go for it, but your puerile behavior and stupidity are not welcome.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Ladislaus on January 28, 2022, 10:18:25 AM
Without any atmosphere, the sun should not change size as it "sets".

but ...

We have videos which show it getting significantly smaller.
We have videos which show it not getting much smaller.

Moisture in the air has been demonstrated to magnify things.  As the sun gets "lower", we see it through more atmosphere and it can be magnified on account of the moisture.

Videos in dry areas like deserts invaraibly show the sun getting much smaller as it "sets".  What atmospheric condition would cause it to get smaller?  I can't think of anything.

This video in the OP clearly shows the sun FADING OUT before it makes contact with the horizon line.  And another perspetive from far away makes it appear as if it "set" (aka went down), even though when zoomed in it did no such thing.

I've seen video where the sun appears to be half cut off at the bottom by the horizon line, and then the camera zooms in and it's still noticeably ABOVE the horizon line, with space in between the horizon and the "bottom" of the sun.  That demonstrates that the APPEARANCE fo the setting sun doesn't necessarily indicate that it's descending below the horizon.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Matthew on January 28, 2022, 10:19:10 AM
I don't trust David Weiss, random Youtubers, or the other guy (the one behind Taboo Conspiracy channel; I forget his name at the moment).

I trust MY OWN SENSES.

The photo I took, below, SHOULD BE impossible according to the Globe Earth model with the sun being 93 million miles away. The rays should all be going the same direction.
It's basic geometry. Admit it. I have you stumped on this one.

What, is there some kind of LOCAL, CLOSE prism in the sky that's somehow deflecting/distributing the sun's rays into a 180 degree arc towards the ground? If it's a magical prism, why isn't making a rainbow?

See, if you deny evidence like this, I can't help you.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Ladislaus on January 28, 2022, 10:21:49 AM
I don't trust David Weiss, random Youtubers, or the other guy (the one behind Taboo Conspiracy channel; I forget his name at the moment).

I trust MY OWN SENSES.

The photo I took, below, SHOULD BE impossible according to the Globe Earth model with the sun being 93 million miles away. The rays should all be going the same direction.
It's basic geometry. Admit it. I have you stumped on this one.

What, is there some kind of LOCAL, CLOSE prism in the sky that's somehow deflecting/distributing the sun's rays into a 180 degree arc towards the ground? If it's a magical prism, why isn't making a rainbow?

See, if you deny evidence like this, I can't help you.

Right, and these guys all encourage people to do their own research and always open with "don't believe what I tell you; go do your own research".  When the weather turns, I intend to go out and try some of my own observations.

With that said, I have no reason to doubt the video from Weiss.  At the end, you can see the drone he's flying settle back down to the ground through the trees.  Unless he has some great video-editing skills (and people who know Weiss say he's inept in that department), I don't have any reason to doubt it.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: Matthew on January 28, 2022, 10:26:55 AM
Right, and these guys all encourage people to do their own research and always open with "don't believe what I tell you; go do your own research".  When the weather turns, I intend to go out and try some of my own observations.

With that said, I have no reason to doubt the video from Weiss.  At the end, you can see the drone he's flying settle back down to the ground through the trees.  Unless he has some great video-editing skills (and people who know Weiss say he's inept in that department), I don't have any reason to doubt it.

I fully agree with you there. I haven't found a reason to doubt these videos, but I understand it's always better when you have hundreds of people all saying the same thing and uploading the same kinds of videos -- like all the videos of people "seeing too far" for a curved, ball earth. All those hundreds of people can't be lying. They don't even know each other, they're from all around the world, of various races, backgrounds, etc.

But it's best of all when you can reproduce the results yourself -- which they encourage. And THAT is an encouraging sign. The "Don't trust me" bit. Truth tellers will say that. Liars and propagandists will point to authority figures and say "Trust me!" "Trust him!" "The science is settled!" and call you names if you threaten non-conformity with the official narrative.
Title: Re: Flat Earth -- David Weiss: Sun Fadeout (vs. Sunset)
Post by: DigitalLogos on January 28, 2022, 10:39:45 AM
"Thus saith the Lord: Cursed be the man that trusteth in man" -[Jer. xvii. 5.]
It would be unwise to trust any of these men on the subject, as most tend to be Protestants and New Agers. But the data and proofs are there, and it's very damning of the globe model.

Scripture, also, is pretty clear on the structure of the earth, which fits the flat model more than the globe model within its endless expanse of space. So I'd rather trust what God has revealed and what my eyes can see than what men who have no love for absolute truth theorize.