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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Flat Earth-curious
« Reply #135 on: January 10, 2022, 05:49:41 AM »
High energy theories indeed fail to describe the universe but in the world "near us" all calculations are so damn precise. This is not a secret.

Is NASA hiding stuff? You bet. But they do not lie about everything.

Yes, the math works, but the math merely describes things.  Math can describe the rate at which something falls, but the actual cause for why it falls has remained elusve.  Gravity has never been proven, and there's a wide array of competing theories about what causes the phenomenon.  Tesla rightly pointed out that a fantasy world has been built up with one equation layered on top of another.

NASA lies about a LOT of stuff, and that's enough to discredit them as an authority.  I don't have to prove that they lie about everything.  But it isn't just one or two things; their entire space program is a complete fraud.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Flat Earth-curious
« Reply #136 on: January 10, 2022, 05:59:12 AM »
If people want, math and physics, check out Dr. John D.
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/dr-john-d-destroys-globe-earth/

Very few responses.  This man is less popular than the other youtubers because, quite frankly, his channel is extremely dry.  And it's very dry because he does all the math and runs the numbers, so his laser test video goes over an hour, and your average viewer doesn't have the patience for it.

I noticed that there were zero glober refutations.

He destroys refraction by conducting a two-way laser test.  He took all the temperature and humidity readings, and recorded all the numbers with precision.  Really the only comeback that globers have against all the "see too far" experiments is the gratuitous mention of the magic word "refraction".  It's never proven or demonstrated.  In order for light to follow exactly the cuvature of the globe, there would have to be an increasing density gradient along the path of the laser, as Dr. John D points out.  But if there's an increasing density gradient, then in the reverse direction, there would be a decreasing density gradient.  Consequently, the laser could not work in both directions at the same time at those distances.  This puts the nail in the coffin of the "refraction" magic.

He also affirms my #2 reason why the current cosmology is bogus.  Gravity is simply not strong enough to explain why the immense vacuum of space, as modern science conceives of it, would not rip the atmosphere off the planet.  It's simply not possible that our atmosphere could exist adjacent to a nearly-perfect vacuum.


Re: Flat Earth-curious
« Reply #137 on: January 10, 2022, 06:18:49 PM »
At what distance?

How many miles out?
Never bothered to measure. 15-20 miles, maybe? It would depend on the height of the mast for one thing, and then you could get into trig to calculate certain things I suspect. 

It is the same situation with driving across flat prairie land where you see the approach of grain elevators getting bigger and bigger as you get closer and closer to them.


Re: Flat Earth-curious
« Reply #138 on: January 10, 2022, 06:28:44 PM »
Never bothered to measure. 15-20 miles, maybe? It would depend on the height of the mast for one thing, and then you could get into trig to calculate certain things I suspect.

It is the same situation with driving across flat prairie land where you see the approach of grain elevators getting bigger and bigger as you get closer and closer to them.


Thanks

Can you or anyone else here who prefer the Ball Earth theory find out how far out the average ship needs to get?

Say an average person is on the beach watching a ship go out to sea.

What does the Ball Earth theory say?

I'm sure after centuries of this and with all of the technology available it has been measured accurately right?

I mean on a clear day.

I just want to know when the actual physical obstruction the curve of earth kicks in.

Re: Flat Earth-curious
« Reply #139 on: January 10, 2022, 06:47:03 PM »
It might seem to have to be insane, yes, I understand that. But not impossible. We don't really know how it works exactly. And it will be difficult to provide you with an absolute working model for how it works, because it doesn't exist as yet. And it may not ever exist, unless NASA 'fesses up and tells the truth.

Sorry, I didn't watch the video in the link. Unless it addresses the specific issue of how the sun cannot work on a flat earth (and provide sunset light for both the north and south pole), I'd rather not go to the trouble of viewing it. I already know that there is a sunset sun 24 hours a day in Antarctica. I don't dispute that.
Good. We know really well how it works exactly, we understand the seasons and sunlight very well. But the good thing is that even if "NASA" (most science) was totally off, the scientific method would allow us to gradually gather new evidence until we have figured out a complete, working model.
"In an ideal world, flat Earthers would some day once again figure out that earth is in fact a spheroid" - unless they keep holding themselves back by biases.

This is what 24h Sun looks like on flat earth, this is the winter Sun lighting FE:


FE vs. GE

What do you think, which model explains it better?

Because the FE animation is what would have to happen on a flat surface, regardless of the map being a EAP map (globe projection).