This is reasonable, DL.

The semi-dogmatic flat Earthers are way out of line here. They don’t even have a remotely credible model, but want to claim that FE is almost a fact.

No need to be dogmatic and unite your identity to either side.  That shuts down one's ability to question things.

It's fun and interesting to just wonder like a kid wonders and investigate to find out more.

The thing is that I never found the globe model to be remotely credible even as a kid.

I never understood how we can be spinning 1000 miles per hour. ??

How does water stick to a ball, especially to a spinning ball?

Why can't we see the curve of the earth on the horizon?

How does water curve when it always finds level?

How can we be shooting through space and still have the same constellations year after year for thousands of years?

Wouldn't the planes flying over Australia be upside down?  Why not?

Where is the firmament?  Does it surround the globe?  But they say space is ever expanding.  So where is the firmament?  

So many things don't make sense.

But if you ask questions you get laughed at and mocked and ridiculed.

That's even weirder to me!  Why? 

What's wrong with asking questions?

It seems like the Emperor's New Clothes in a lot of ways.

When that pilot told me I needed to be a Freemason to know the answer I was even more curious!


I mean look at all of the things we have been lied to about:

Going to the moon  (they really got everyone to believe it! lol :P)
Covid shots are safe and effective
PCR tests tell you what you have
We evolved from apes
There are 75 or more "genders"
Building 7 fell due to fire
Flight 93 was absorbed into the ground

How do they get away with this stuff? 

Answer:  Make fun of people who ask questions.

Don't ask questions.  Smart people believe what they are told.  Only dumb people ask questions, right?


It goes on and on to where it's like, "So what haven't they lied about?"

That's a good playlist.

Strange though.  The 32nd Degree Mason Talks About Flat Earth video is 1 hour 27min and 27 seconds.

Click on it to watch and it only plays for 1 minute 59 seconds.  ???

One of the best Youtube channels out there on Flat Earth is impossible to find using the Youtube search engines.  I only found it because the Taboo Conspiracy guy had a link to it.  

"Dr. John D"
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrV1BQhaufM-PsEtMjjehDQ/videos

Here's  a brief summar of one of his videos by another FE.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/aEwja2tfbQTS/

How about a flashlight and an onion

My results were somewhat inconclusive at first. You could see the light from the flashlight lighting up the very edge of the onion with sharp, definitive light, but the part of the onion that was closer to me was comparatively dark. There were rays of light going directly into my eyes from the flashlight, which reminded me of the rays of light from the sunset that come visibly towards you over the water. Unfortunately they made it very hard to see!

I decided to try it from another angle as it seems impossible to objectively tell if the onion was actually being lit at the top or not. From a side view if you hold the onion level with the edge of a table, you can slowly move the flashlight up and down in height to see where the sun's rays would be illuminating the earth. Using this method, the onion was lit up even when the flashlight was well below it! I am sure this method is not perfect, but I believe it to be more accurate than the paper towels with a candle. The onion is round, instead of cylindrical (and I don't have a candle, but figured the sun irl to be way more powerful than any flashlight anyways )

Actually out of fairness, I ended up trying it with a lighter flame as well. This was a lot less bright in general and didn't light up the onion very well at all, but given this same side view it was basically just a dimmer, less defined version of what the flashlight showed.

I would post pics of the flashlight version, but unfortunately my flashlight and my camera are one and the same

Interesting.  :)

Well, one thing of note is that the size of the sun (even when it's at its largest) as it sets is rather tiny compared to the size of the horizon line.

The flashlight is huge compared to the horizon line of the onion.  

Imagine how big that sun would be in real life! :O

And the curve of the horizon line on the onion is very different from real life.

The paper towels give you a long horizon line (like the ocean) for the tiny sun to set behind.

There is no curve on the left and the right on the paper towels just like there is no curve on the left and on the right with the ocean horizon.

Just a big long line with a little sun going down in the middle of it.

I tried it with the flashlight and the paper towels just now and it still demonstrates the principle pretty well.

Especially when you look at the how low the sun is in the video.

We aren't just looking to see if there is light in the sky.  We are looking at the reflection of the sun on the water. 

How far can the light reach on the ground level.
 
That reflection is still visible all the way across the water to the viewers feet even at the 24:44 mark.










I'm not sure what to make of the ceiling light.  It's hard for me to grasp how it compares to the reflection on the water. :/

We could settle a large part of this very easily.  Charter a commercial airlines with a long range.  There's a Singapore to NY flight that takes a bit under 18 hours and covers 9,500+ miles.  Circuмference of Antarctica on a Globe Earth is purported to be about 9,900 miles.  I'm guessing the plane could make it around on one tank.  Invite a bunch of FE advocates and let them observe and make sure that the edge of Antarctica remains on the one side (either right or left depending on which way you're going) the entire time.  If you can get around the continent and come back to the exact same place within about 20 hours (which is about what it would take), then that would completely disprove the Flat Earth model.  Of course, the plane would have to have additional fuel to make it back to somewhere it could land.  I bet there are military planes, bombers, for instance, that have a much longer range and could do it with no problem.

Of course, they'll never let you anywhere near there due to the Antarctic treaty.

No need to be dogmatic and unite your identity to either side.  That shuts down one's ability to question things.

It's fun and interesting to just wonder like a kid wonders and investigate to find out more.

The thing is that I never found the globe model to be remotely credible even as a kid.

I never understood how we can be spinning 1000 miles per hour. ??

How does water stick to a ball, especially to a spinning ball?

Why can't we see the curve of the earth on the horizon?

How does water curve when it always finds level?

How can we be shooting through space and still have the same constellations year after year for thousands of years?

Wouldn't the planes flying over Australia be upside down?  Why not?

Where is the firmament?  Does it surround the globe?  But they say space is ever expanding.  So where is the firmament? 

So many things don't make sense.

But if you ask questions you get laughed at and mocked and ridiculed.

That's even weirder to me!  Why? 

What's wrong with asking questions?

It seems like the Emperor's New Clothes in a lot of ways.

When that pilot told me I needed to be a Freemason to know the answer I was even more curious!


I mean look at all of the things we have been lied to about:

Going to the moon  (they really got everyone to believe it! lol :P)
Covid shots are safe and effective
PCR tests tell you what you have
We evolved from apes
There are 75 or more "genders"
Building 7 fell due to fire
Flight 93 was absorbed into the ground

How do they get away with this stuff? 

Answer:  Make fun of people who ask questions.

Don't ask questions.  Smart people believe what they are told.  Only dumb people ask questions, right?


It goes on and on to where it's like, "So what haven't they lied about?"

As far as spinning at 1000mph goes, the best analogy I have seen is this: when you are in a car or plane, do you feel as though you are moving as fast as you actually are? Or do you feel basically motionless as long as the vehicle stays at the same speed? How about if you're on a bike or skateboard? If you stay the same speed, don't you mostly just feel the wobble of unlevel ground under your wheels +wind in your face? I think that on RE, we would really know the earth was spinning if it suddenly stopped

Water sticks to a ball the same way rocks and dust stick to other planets. We can see that other planets are definitely round. We can see that they have the same "gravity" mechanism that RE theories present for here on earth. We can see that the moon is covered with dust and rocks. Why don't they all fall down to earth? (I'm really glad they don't )

If rocks and dust can stick, why not water? We can see the other planets rotating as well. Why aren't they constantly covered in enormous dust clouds (every one of them that rotates should be, right?)

There are a lot of photos that show a slight curve, at least in my eyes. It could be some trickery of how our vision works so I don't really take that as proof lol. Supposedly a 6' tall human can see for about 3 miles on flat ground, but over 200 miles on top of Mount Everest (assuming no clouds get in the way). If I am wrong, feel free to let me know because I actually haven't been to Mt Everest to verify

I do believe that you can see way further at great heights than you can from the ground. Your vision on the ground then must not be limited by your own eyesight, but some other mechanic. What do you think that might be?

Level vs curved is hard for me to explain lol. If you put 10 different levels, at say 100 miles apart, they would all show that they were level, despite the fact that they would be at slightly different angles when you compared them to each other. If you then held each level to the same exact angle and brought them all together, you would see how they differed, and also each level would stop showing that it was properly level. Again, rocks and dust stick to the surface of other planets. Imagine how the levels would work there. The same concept applies here. "Gravity" makes everything sit "level" with the surface of the globe no matter which side of the globe you are on. It's not up and down. Down is basically just "towards the center of the planet" and up is the opposite, no matter where you stand on said planet.

As far as the constellations changing goes, my understanding is that we are going in a big rotation every year, and that we return to about the same place we started in at the end of the year. The constellations DO change throughout the year (look up stellar parallax) but it's very slight and probably not really noticable unless you have a way to measure it. We also do see different constellations depending on the time of the year! There are some that appear only in winter, some in summer, and I believe a few that are year round depending on your location! Actually before looking into FE I had no idea that it worked that way, so it was interesting to read about :)

Planes flying to Australia aren't flying upside down for the same reason that dust and rocks on other planets aren't upside down, and water sticks to a spinning ball haha. Again, "gravity" as RE explains it, pulls towards the center of the earth. As long as the plane flies parallel to the center, it will be upright no matter where it flies. Now if you tried to turn an Aussie plane to fly at the same angle as say... A plane in Canada... I don't think it would go very well. This is because it would no longer be flying parallel to the center of the earth.

I have seen some interpretations that say the firmament is an expanse, rather than a literal, physical, fish bowl style dome. My personal best guess is just that the firmament encloses basically everything we can possibly see or reach, and that heaven is on the other side of that. Maybe I am wrong, but how do you prove that lol. The stars are supposed to be within the firmament, correct? So it must be past the stars.

Asking questions is good! Blindly trusting corrupt authority (we know it is corrupt) is bad. However, a broken clock tells the right time twice a day

You can't always assume EVERYTHING is a lie. Yes, verify what you can. That is good. If they lied about everything, it would be too obvious and nobody would play follow the leader.

The bottom line is that I believe this is actually a psyop where they want to make people who doubt the vax and 9/11 and all these other things look actually crazy. It's not crazy to believe the vax is evil. It's not crazy to believe in and obey God. But if you can prove that the earth is round (most people accept that you can. I would guess far more people doubt the vax than RE for instance) then they think you are crazy for believing it's not. They start to question the other things you believe as well, just as we question the shape of the earth due to the lies of those who are in charge.

Again, it's not bad to question things at all. You should be doing that. So far I just can't understand why FE people are so convinced though due to the daily observations that you can make about the world. I actually think that they want us to believe FE in order to discredit conspiracy theorists. Tinfoil hats, aliens, flat earth. Most people think of those things as similar. They want people to think that Christianity is in the same vein. Why wouldn't they?

Sure, I will give you that haha. The problem with this experiment is that it's impossible for it to be entirely accurate. It can demonstrate ideas, but of course cannot prove anything. Staring at the sun causes eye damage. The flashlight and the candle are a lot less bright than the sun. They also throw light in a different way (at least as far as RE is concerned, with the idea of a globe sun)
Not to mention, for RE, the sun is thought to be very very far away. Hard to replicate that on small scale unfortunately. I do understand why you would prefer to use the flat horizon paper towel model, but really what I would like to see is a big huge globe to test! Unfortunately all I had was the onion

Did you try the side view with the paper towels? It actually did still represent what the onion experiment did, at least for me. The light can be well below the top of the paper towels and still be illuminating the top.

For the ceiling light, try turning the photos upside-down. Now, consider the light bulb to be the "sun". You can see that the light bulb is well below the horizon/ground (ceiling) but it still brightly illuminates the ground/ceiling. It "curves" around a corner to do so. If you compare it to the part of the ceiling that is higher up, you can see that that part cannot be touched by the light in the same way. This is where the light hits its limit and cannot curve far enough.

(Edited to include visual for ceiling light example)

Imagine you are standing where the little orange guy is (minus the fact that his feet are hanging off the edge lol)

The sunlight still reaches him even though the sun has dipped completely below the horizon/ground/whatever you want to call it.

Well, here's the thing about the side view you describe.  It puts the person on the top of the curve.  I was assuming the person would be on one side of the curve and the sun on the opposite side of the curve like the hill in your drawing.  That way the sun is getting "hidden behind the curve" like supposedly what happens at sunset. 


 
There is a bump between the person and the sun on ball earth.

No bump, no hidden sun behind the curve.

So the guy can't be standing on the top of the curve.

I see what you are saying with the recessed ceiling light now.  Thanks!

But the light is all around like the sunlight in the sky.   

We are talking specifically about the "reflection" or sun glint...that shiny narrow line of light that extends across the water.

It's a reflection that demonstrates the angle of the sun hitting the water.

When the candle or flashlight is this high behind the paper towel the light will extend to the person on the other side of the hill/bump/curve.






When the candle/flashlight is lower it looks very much like this.






Except with the paper towel roll in the dark room the light does not reach to the other side of the curve.  It doesn't go over the bump.

I don't know how to load photos or I would show it.

The paper towel with the light behind it in a dark room looks just like this photo actually...it's a really good replication

except the sunglint wouldn't reach over the curve to the feet of the photographer.  The photographer would be standing with total darkness at his feet.

If the photographer stood on top of the curve he would still see the sun and it wouldn't be setting or "hiding behind the curve." Where is the horizon line?

It wouldn't be "sinking down below the horizon line".

For the sun to hide behind the curve,  there has to be a bump between the viewer and the sun on the ball earth.

FEs have made videos of where the sun had appeared to set, where a large part of it was visuall "cut off" and then zoomed in on it and found it still above the horizon.  I'll try to find it.

I've seen that too.  Hard to find them later because the word search doesn't work and they disappear from my Youtube history. :/

If this is true and not a fake video, ask yourself why don’t people observe this on a daily basis? Why isn’t the internet rife with videos showing this?

That's a good question.  There are probably 100 zoom out videos on the water showing ships and oil rigs disappear and reappear.  Amateurs are using their Nikon p900 or 1000 all around the world and posting those.

Here's a question for you.  How far away does a boat need to get to go over the curve and disappear from view?