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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Flat Earth-curious
« Reply #100 on: January 08, 2022, 01:34:51 PM »
Ladislaus, Matthew, Tradman, and Meg, off the top of my head, are all Flat earthers.

I lean Flat earth, but definitively hold to the Hebrew conception of the earth/cosmos. I held FE more firmly for a time, but since I can't make a positive claim of the earth being flat, globe or "convex", all I know is modern cosmology is satanic bunk and Scripture is Truth.

This is reasonable, DL.

The semi-dogmatic flat Earthers are way out of line here. They don’t even have a remotely credible model, but want to claim that FE is almost a fact. 


Re: Flat Earth-curious
« Reply #101 on: January 08, 2022, 01:37:11 PM »
There are a few videos on youtube that try to prove that Alex Jones is really Bill Hicks. There is compelling evidence, though not absolutely conclusive, that Alex Jones is Bill Hicks. I can post the videos if you like, or a google search can bring them up fairly quickly.
I'm not compelled by it. They don't look alike or even sound alike. Bill Hicks died of pancreatic cancer and Alex Jones is a shill for Israel. Two different people.


Re: Flat Earth-curious
« Reply #102 on: January 08, 2022, 01:41:34 PM »
This is reasonable, DL.

The semi-dogmatic flat Earthers are way out of line here. They don’t even have a remotely credible model, but want to claim that FE is almost a fact.
I had that initial zeal for it that made me think it was utter fact. But, the more I've reflected on it, I've decided to take a step back and have a more prudential position on the whole FE vs GE debate.

I still find the ground-based experiments for FE most compelling, and why I yet lean that direction, but primarily the Scriptural support for a world unlike that we are sold by mainstream science is why I hold to the Hebrew cosmological model. And the Convex Earth docuмentary Lad shared comes to a similar conclusion to that of the Hebrew model, which is very interesting.

I've also become very suspicious on how heated the topic can be on both sides. Which tells me there's something awry with the subject.

Offline Meg

Re: Flat Earth-curious
« Reply #103 on: January 08, 2022, 01:43:11 PM »
This is reasonable, DL.

The semi-dogmatic flat Earthers are way out of line here. They don’t even have a remotely credible model, but want to claim that FE is almost a fact.

There are flat-earth models, but not one that everyone accepts, since we can't really know for sure about what shape the flat earth is. I'm okay with that, since I'm not a rationalist.

There are also different ball earth models. Have you noticed how Greenland is of various sizes on differing ball earth models? Those who believe in a ball earth have NASA to provide a model, and they perhaps think that this settles the question. But we FE'ers don't accept NASA's version of supposed truth and shape of the earth, just because they provide what seems like a valid model.

Re: Flat Earth-curious
« Reply #104 on: January 08, 2022, 01:52:45 PM »

Try it with a candle and a roll of paper towels.  :)
How about a flashlight and an onion :laugh2:

My results were somewhat inconclusive at first. You could see the light from the flashlight lighting up the very edge of the onion with sharp, definitive light, but the part of the onion that was closer to me was comparatively dark. There were rays of light going directly into my eyes from the flashlight, which reminded me of the rays of light from the sunset that come visibly towards you over the water. Unfortunately they made it very hard to see!

I decided to try it from another angle as it seems impossible to objectively tell if the onion was actually being lit at the top or not. From a side view if you hold the onion level with the edge of a table, you can slowly move the flashlight up and down in height to see where the sun's rays would be illuminating the earth. Using this method, the onion was lit up even when the flashlight was well below it! I am sure this method is not perfect, but I believe it to be more accurate than the paper towels with a candle. The onion is round, instead of cylindrical (and I don't have a candle, but figured the sun irl to be way more powerful than any flashlight anyways :laugh1:

Actually out of fairness, I ended up trying it with a lighter flame as well. This was a lot less bright in general and didn't light up the onion very well at all, but given this same side view it was basically just a dimmer, less defined version of what the flashlight showed. 

I would post pics of the flashlight version, but unfortunately my flashlight and my camera are one and the same :cowboy:

However, while doing this experiment, I did notice another example of how light could behave in the way that you see during sunsets on RE. 

The following pictures show a recessed light fixture. The lightbulb is higher up than the fixture and ceiling that contain it. Despite this, it illuminates the ceiling clearly. Now, better than this, you can see that this ceiling is tiered. A little over 1ft past the light fixture, the ceiling rises up by about 1ft. (This section of the wall is painted green, while the ceiling is white)

You can see in the photos that the higher part of the ceiling is not illuminated in the same way as the part by the light fixture. What this demonstrates (unless I am misinterpreting here) is that the light can bend around slightly greater than 90⁰ corners. It does have limits though, and you can see it reaches the limit when trying to illuminate the higher portion of the ceiling. 

Let me know what you think of this :)