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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Flat Earth-curious
« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2022, 07:25:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 06, 2022, 07:16:42 PM
    I love how on you picture the Pacific Ocean takes up about half the globe.  It's a deliberately distorted map that actually looks more like the Flat Earth dimensions than Globe Earth.  It's one lie after another from the globers.

    The Pacific Ocean makes up over 30% of the surface of the Earth, so that picture I posted is about as accurate as you can get on a globe Earth. 

    I watched the first minute of the video and found two major errors. 

    It seems to me Lad that you have dug in to your position on FE and aren’t being rational and objective.
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #46 on: January 06, 2022, 07:26:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 06, 2022, 07:25:24 PM
    The Pacific Ocean makes up over 30% of the surface of the Earth, so that picture I posted is about as accurate as you can get on a globe Earth.

    I watched the first minute of the video and found two major errors.

    It seems to me Lad that you have dug in to your position on FE and aren’t being rational and objective.
    I mean his argument is boiling down to a projection, a way to express RE on a flat surface
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #47 on: January 06, 2022, 07:28:20 PM »
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    • Here's Google earth showing the Pacific ... taking up half the globe.  :laugh1:

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #48 on: January 06, 2022, 07:30:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Dankward on January 06, 2022, 04:02:27 PM

    Speaking of legs to stand on, why is there no scientific work being done on flat Earth since centuries? No research papers, no studies, no peer review, no serious books, no reputable scientists. What do FEs have to show for their conviction, apart from vague videos? No serious scientists has ever been convinced of FE by FEs. I wonder why ::)


    Why do all of the top university scientists believe man evolved from apes?

    Why do the top scientists and doctors believe the rona scam?

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #49 on: January 06, 2022, 07:30:53 PM »
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    • NASA's different globe "pics".  Take a look at the size of North America on the 2012 picture (vs., say, 1997).  :laugh1:

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #50 on: January 06, 2022, 07:31:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 06, 2022, 07:16:42 PM
    I love how on your picture the Pacific Ocean takes up about half the globe.  It's a deliberately distorted map that actually looks more like the Flat Earth dimensions than Globe Earth.  It's one lie after another from the globers.  Google is deliberately messing with their "earth" map to cover up for precisely this problem.  Here's what it looks like on a Traditional/normal map.




    Lad, step back for a minute and look at the map you posted. A flat map can never accurately illustrate a globe Earth. I don’t understand your mental block. You normally look at things objectively. I’m not trying in the least to belittle you, but this just isn’t rational thinking. I apologize in advance if I offended you, but I’m just being truthful.
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #51 on: January 06, 2022, 07:32:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on January 06, 2022, 07:30:06 PM

    Why do all of the top university scientists believe man evolved from apes?

    Why do the top scientists and doctors believe the rona scam?
    Agreed, I think arguing from authority is weak especially in a time like this where there is near 0 legitimate authority in the world. 
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #52 on: January 06, 2022, 07:37:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 06, 2022, 07:25:24 PM
    The Pacific Ocean makes up over 30% of the surface of the Earth, so that picture I posted is about as accurate as you can get on a globe Earth.

    I watched the first minute of the video and found two major errors.

    It seems to me Lad that you have dug in to your position on FE and aren’t being rational and objective.

    Quite the contrary, YOU are the one dug in to globe and irrational.  I started off a skeptic, as did most FEs, but not a single glober would ever consider the possibility of having been deceived.  Globers are the ones dug in, brainwashed by a lifetime of propaganda.

    That "Convex" earth video does all the experiments and completely destroys the globe.

    Anyone who approaches the question with an open mind and follows the evidence will conclude that the earth is flat.
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #53 on: January 06, 2022, 07:39:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Dankward on January 06, 2022, 03:30:59 PM
    This video is pretty stupid honestly, very much grabbing for straws.

    Did you actually perform the mental experiment of sunlight reflecting off the water on a spherical Earth vs a flat Earth? The reflection would work pretty much the same, although the Sun eventually sinks below the horizon on GE, while it wouldn't disappear on a FE.

    There are inconsistent explanations for the Sun actually setting on flat Earth which involve visibility and light attenuation, however this has never been formalized in a congruent model, obviously, because it would require different explanations for every different sunset.


    On a globe earth you are on one side of a bump.

    The sun is on the other side of the bump.

    The light reflection on the water cannot go up the side of the bump over the top and down to your feet.

    There might be a short reflection of light but it would not be able to extend all the way to you.

    He showed it very well in the video.

    Here is a drawing from Dingbat.  (I hope she doesn't mind me using it in this thread.)  She was using it to explain another aspect but for our purposes just consider the first example.

    You can see that the light reflection on the water would not be able to go up and over the bump of the curve and down the other side to the observer's feet.






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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #54 on: January 06, 2022, 07:40:07 PM »
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    • This guy here, an engineer who spent his life studying science (points out having read a book on relativity three times early in the video) started out a skeptic but then started doing the math and making the calculations.  He talks about how at no point do scientists try to crunch the numbers to validate or falsify the globe.  They all simply take it for granted.  When he started applying physics and engineering to the problem, he was taken aback by what he found.  This is just the first few in a long series that he put together.

    https://kookootube.com/videoEmbeded/488
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #55 on: January 06, 2022, 07:40:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 06, 2022, 07:30:53 PM
    NASA's different globe "pics".  Take a look at the size of North America on the 2012 picture (vs., say, 1997).  :laugh1:


    This doesn't prove anything besides that NASA likes to fake images. We already knew that lol. Do you think QVD is actually lying to you when he posts an image of RE mapped in a way that scales differently from yours? You posted a map that is stretched and distorted to fit on a flat piece of paper while still giving a basic representation of RE. I'm not saying your map is incorrect, but the way that you are using it definitely is. 

    Probably nobody here trusts Google anyways, so I don't know why you even bring that up. 
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #56 on: January 06, 2022, 07:45:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Dingbat on January 06, 2022, 07:40:47 PM
    This doesn't prove anything besides that NASA likes to fake images. We already knew that lol.

    But that's part of the puzzle.  90% of people when asked how they would prove the globe respond, "Muh NASA has pictures."  If they've been out in space and if they have satellites out there, why all the fake pictures?  Why not the real ones?  If they actually have an ISS out there, why the hours of footage where they were clearly faking spacewalks and interviews from ISS?  If they really have astronauts on ISS, they could merely take real video.  They've been lying through their teeth since their very inception, and the #1 argument for globe is the "argument from authority".  See the previous video I posted from the engineer.  If anyone seriously sits down and starts doing the math and physics, the globe doesn't work.  But 99% of all "scientists" absolutely refuse to go there and start from the very foundations.  Not only have they too been brainwashed, but they would jeopardize their careers if they came forward with such opinions.  So they don't.  Why do you think that 99% of "medical professionals" promote the jab?  They parrot back the propaganda they've heard and are terrified of losing their careers and their livelihoods.  One former F-16 pilot who came forward asserting that the earth is certainly flat said that he was reluctant due to fear of ridicule.  That "follow the science" lie behind the jab is the same fallacy they use to promote the globe.
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #57 on: January 06, 2022, 07:46:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on January 06, 2022, 07:39:16 PM

    On a globe earth you are on one side of a bump.

    The sun is on the other side of the bump.

    The light reflection on the water cannot go up the side of the bump over the top and down to your feet.

    There might be a short reflection of light but it would not be able to extend all the way to you.

    He showed it very well in the video.

    Here is a drawing from Dingbat.  (I hope she doesn't mind me using it in this thread.)  She was using it to explain another aspect but for our purposes just consider the first example.

    You can see that the light reflection on the water would not be able to go up and over the bump of the curve and down the other side to the observer's feet.







    I don't mind at all, Miser. I'm flattered that you liked my wonderful work of art here well enough to save it :laugh2:

    That being said, after watching the video that explains how the sunlight can't go over the curve, and even looking at my above drawing, I don't quite understand why it wouldn't be able to go over the curve. After all, if you can still see the top part of the sun, can't the top part cast light on the water? 





    Maybe I misunderstood your point?? I apologize if so. 
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #58 on: January 06, 2022, 07:53:44 PM »
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    • Not really meant to prove anything, but Vibes of Cosmos has a new video showing his moon-earth maps in an Atlas form. Pretty cool

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #59 on: January 06, 2022, 07:54:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Dingbat on January 06, 2022, 07:40:47 PM
    Do you think QVD is actually lying to you when he posts an image of RE mapped in a way that scales differently from yours?

    No.  Google Earth is lying ... just like NASA has been lying since the beginning.  Google is nothing but an NSA operation, not some independent company.  They're actively censoring Flat Earth materials.  NASA and Google are in on the scam together.  I'm saying that QVD is naive to believe anything that comes from these government agencies.  He accepts them for "evidence" because he wants to.
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