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Offline DigitalLogos

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Re: Flat Earth-curious
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2022, 09:54:03 AM »
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  • Speaking of "Dave," he's been shredded by scientists regarding a number of non-FE-related subjects where he showed himself to be ignorant ... and yet was extremely arrogant about his comments anyway.

    This gentleman here very politely makes Dave look like an idiot:

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    "And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he hath not yet known as he ought to know." [1 Cor. 8:2]
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #16 on: January 05, 2022, 11:00:46 AM »
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  • :laugh1:
    "And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he hath not yet known as he ought to know." [1 Cor. 8:2]

    I wish I had the virtue this guy does in keeping calm and polite in the face of the scathing and arrogant attack from Dave.


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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #17 on: January 05, 2022, 11:09:29 AM »
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  • I wish I had the virtue this guy does in keeping calm and polite in the face of the scathing and arrogant attack from Dave.
    It's definitely a gift from God on his part. I can barely stand to listen to the guy.

    Funny thing, this Jimbob guy I subscribe to was just talking about Prof. Dave yesterday - 32:55 "the grabbler of all grabblers" :laugh1:
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #18 on: January 05, 2022, 01:54:30 PM »
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #19 on: January 05, 2022, 02:07:27 PM »
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  • Did you watch that group from South America that did real experiments?  They had a top surveying firm use precision GPS equipment (accurate to within centimeters) to measure whether buildings about 1800 miles away from each other actually lean away from each other as they should on a globe.  Buildings were at the same elevation and similar heights.  They used directional radio waves that are not subject to refraction that could not work through earth curvature.  They also built their own specialized laser.  They also used precision GPS and geodetic surveying equipment to prove that a large body of water was in fact flat.  They had engineers and professional cartographers accompany some of these experiments, men who were skeptical of flat earth at the outset but then had to concede based on the experiments.  They also measured sun paths and sun angles by setting up cameras around the world, and they found that these were not consistent with a spherical earth.
    They did the "electromagnetic waves across a lake" experiments, which are bunk due to refraction mostly.

    GPS relies on a satellite network, but you probably knew that. The GPS antenna on helicopters and airplanes is mounted on top, because the satellites are above them. Let that sink in when you talk about GPS-based measurements. No, it's not terrestrial masts. No, these satellites cannot magically hover over a flat plane on defined positions, kept up by balloons or something. Tell that to any expert in the field and he'll laugh at your face.

    If you actually measure Sun angles they're totally inconsistent with a flat plane and consistent with a spherical Earth, there are tons of experiments and videos about that.

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    You keep posting these absurd pictures of one or two things that appear to be cut off, but it's been proven by Flat Earthers that this CAN be due to atmospheric conditions as well as the limits of whatever optics are being used.  Flat Earthers take measurements, explain which optics are being used, etc.  But the Globe Earthers simply dismiss them as refraction.  But then you post random pictures and pretend that refraction doesn't exist.  It only exists for you when pictures indicate flat earth.  Black Swan has never been debunked, simply because you CAN take a picture of the platform under certain atmospheric conditions where it does appear to be cut off.  Black Swan picture not only showed both platforms but you can also clearly see the horizon line behind the second platform.

    Flat Earthers have demonstrated that sometimes you can see the whole thing and sometimes you can't ... from the same location on a different day.  There are only two possibilities:  there's atmospheric conditions and refraction on the "globe earth" days or else it happens on the "flat earth" days.  Globe Earthers simply assume, but never prove, that the refraction only magically happens when there's a picture that proves flat earth, but couldn't possibly be there on the "globe earth" days.  It's completely dishonest, and you discredit yourselves this way.  Meanwhile, the FEs try to be honest, taking all the measurements, etc.  There's no intellectual honesty among the globe earthers, just a bunch of lies and fake videos from the space agencies.
    Blackswan is bullcrap:

    Not only does the first image demonstrate variability of refraction which allows to see farther depending on temperature and atmospheric conditions, but if you think that perspective causes straight lines to bend down, you've a profound issue with understanding how perspective works.

    If think you actually try to bend reality to conform to your mind.

    You're talking about Sun paths, geodetic measurements and GPS satellites, yet can't even explain simple sunsets in your worldview.



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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #20 on: January 05, 2022, 04:05:32 PM »
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  • Here:


    Another idiotic post.  You can't see curvature on that scale down on the earth.

    Secondly, if there were curvature shown in this picture, it would be equal at either end from center, since it curves both ways from center, but somehow here the alleged horizon is a bit lower left than the right, whereas both ends are equidistant from the center.  

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #21 on: January 05, 2022, 04:15:05 PM »
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  • They did the "electromagnetic waves across a lake" experiments, which are bunk due to refraction mostly.

    GPS relies on a satellite network, but you probably knew that. The GPS antenna on helicopters and airplanes is mounted on top, because the satellites are above them. Let that sink in when you talk about GPS-based measurements. No, it's not terrestrial masts. No, these satellites cannot magically hover over a flat plane on defined positions, kept up by balloons or something. Tell that to any expert in the field and he'll laugh at your face.

    If you actually measure Sun angles they're totally inconsistent with a flat plane and consistent with a spherical Earth, there are tons of experiments and videos about that.
    Blackswan is bullcrap:

    Your ignorant rants about satellites is moot.  GPS equipment works, and their experiments with high-precision GPS disproved the globe.

    "If you actually measure the sun they're totally inconsistent" ... I'm glad you measured the Sun angles.  These teams put cameras around the globe and did measure the sun angles and found them inconsistent with globe.

    Blackswan blows globe out of the water.


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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #22 on: January 05, 2022, 04:17:16 PM »
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  • So, are we just going to ignore that all these observations may vary from day to day?

    Blackswan is bullshit.


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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #23 on: January 05, 2022, 04:27:00 PM »
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  • So, are we just going to ignore that all these observations may vary from day to day?

    Blackswan is bullshit.

    No it isn't.  FEs demonstrate that sometimes the view IS obstructed, due to various conditions.  But you lack the honesty to admit that.  You post a single picture of something cut off and claim it as "proof" where the FEs take into consideration both possibilities.  There's a guy named Nathan Oakley who has these FE debates, and the scientist he was debating just said that the only thing this proves is that the radius of the earth isn't what they say it is.  In order for this to happen, the earth would have to be about 10x larger than they claim.

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #24 on: January 05, 2022, 05:13:17 PM »
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  • They did the "electromagnetic waves across a lake" experiments, which are bunk due to refraction mostly.

    Microwave data links (which is what they were doing) are line-of-sight.  You have to have a solid, concentrated signal in order to network two computers over them and transfer data ... which is what they were doing.  See below how it explains that the signals are impeded by the earth's curvature and would require high tower heights and large dishes to overcome.  These guys had small dishes and were just about a meter above the ground.  If you had some refracted signal going over the curve, they would never have been able to achieve a stable network connection.



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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #25 on: January 05, 2022, 05:31:14 PM »
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  • This video is what got me "off the fence" about flat earth.  These are real experiments, not random pictures, etc.

    Here is a torough debunk of this docuмentary: https://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/852-convex-earth-debunked-dakila-research-ctz-zigurats-technology-center-urandir-fernandes-de-oliveira

    It's mostly pseudoscientific "experiments" by questionable researchers, at least one of which also believes in mind control being able to bend things.

    It also adresses the microwave experiment, where a large part of the beam (the fresnel zone) was well within the line of sight of the receiver.


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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #26 on: January 05, 2022, 07:44:16 PM »
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  • I just wanted to copy this graphic again. This to me is the most effective argument against flat earth, and I am still waiting for a FE person to provide some sort of answer to it.

    For those of you who live in the midwest or the southwestern desert, this may not be a huge deal to you because you may never have seen the image on the left. But believe me, it is real, and I have seen it myself many times in California across Pacific Ocean. It is not, to my knowledge, explainable by the FE hypothesis. Ladislaus, can you please do me a favor and drive up to Lake Erie or something and find a place where you have an unobstructed view westwards across the water on a clear sunny day, and just watch this. Trust me, it's incredible.

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #27 on: January 05, 2022, 07:53:42 PM »
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  • I just wanted to copy this graphic again. This to me is the most effective argument against flat earth, and I am still waiting for a FE person to provide some sort of answer to it.

    For those of you who live in the midwest or the southwestern desert, this may not be a huge deal to you because you may never have seen the image on the left. But believe me, it is real, and I have seen it myself many times in California across Pacific Ocean. It is not, to my knowledge, explainable by the FE hypothesis. Ladislaus, can you please do me a favor and drive up to Lake Erie or something and find a place where you have an unobstructed view westwards across the water on a clear sunny day, and just watch this. Trust me, it's incredible.


    Yes. This, the crows nest on a ship, and the impossible distances between points on a flat map are deal breakers for me. These observations cannot be reconciled with a flat Earth. In order for me to take a serious look at it again, someone needs to come up with a reasonable working model.
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #28 on: January 05, 2022, 07:55:27 PM »
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  • I just wanted to copy this graphic again. This to me is the most effective argument against flat earth, and I am still waiting for a FE person to provide some sort of answer to it.

    For those of you who live in the midwest or the southwestern desert, this may not be a huge deal to you because you may never have seen the image on the left. But believe me, it is real, and I have seen it myself many times in California across Pacific Ocean. It is not, to my knowledge, explainable by the FE hypothesis. Ladislaus, can you please do me a favor and drive up to Lake Erie or something and find a place where you have an unobstructed view westwards across the water on a clear sunny day, and just watch this. Trust me, it's incredible.
    I also agree with this honestly... I don't necessarily understand the radio arguments or how to double check the math on someone's curvature calculations... But I can look at a basic model and think about how it would look in real life...

    The only two videos I have seen where the sun did what the FE models suggest it does came from FE specific sources and also seemed... doctored... to my eyes at least. From what I remember they actually didn't even match each other, now that I think about it... I don't understand why there haven't been videos like the one on the right posted by random non-FE sources if it actually ever happens like they say. 

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #29 on: January 05, 2022, 08:09:52 PM »
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  • I just wanted to copy this graphic again. This to me is the most effective argument against flat earth, and I am still waiting for a FE person to provide some sort of answer to it.

    For those of you who live in the midwest or the southwestern desert, this may not be a huge deal to you because you may never have seen the image on the left. But believe me, it is real, and I have seen it myself many times in California across Pacific Ocean. It is not, to my knowledge, explainable by the FE hypothesis. Ladislaus, can you please do me a favor and drive up to Lake Erie or something and find a place where you have an unobstructed view westwards across the water on a clear sunny day, and just watch this. Trust me, it's incredible.
    I grew up seeing this on the Oregon coast every night as a child, It's hard for anyone to convince me the left one is some ZOG plot or something, I could even go back and take a video of it this summer when I visit.

    HOWEVER...


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