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Offline ihsv

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Re: Feeney the nut job
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2024, 07:37:18 PM »
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  • I love how people keep taking things out of context to make a person sound worst than they are. 

    Like happens with Fr. Feeney? You participated in slander by calling a deceased holy priest disobedient, overly dogmatic, and linking to a secular article with half-truths. The facts have been presented to you.  If you want peace and you want trad infighting to stop, then quit contributing to it. Slanders were posted, slanders were rebutted. Facts were given. More information and resources can be given if you really want to know the whole story. And now we are into "why can't we all get along?" We can't get along because of exactly the kind of behavior you have engaged in. All you need to do was say "Wow, I didn't know that! Makes sense." Or ask another sincere question. Stay on topic, please. But slander is always sinful and as such, public slanders need to be called out.
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    Re: Feeney the nut job
    « Reply #16 on: October 16, 2024, 07:42:17 PM »
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  • So your saying that 12 married couples didn't start an unauthorized religious order under Fr. Feeney thereby splitting up there children to be raised in a commune?
    I'm sorry but it sounds like an end of the world doomsday cult.


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    Re: Feeney the nut job
    « Reply #17 on: October 16, 2024, 07:43:05 PM »
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  • I love how people keep taking things out of context to make a person sound worst than they are. 

    Right now we have so many traditional choices.  All of them argue that they are the most perfect to follow, yet none of them seem to have God's stamp of approval.  We have the writings of great saints, we do not need to waste our time in these weeds.  We have questions about Father Feeney, Archbishop Lafebvre, Bishop Dolan, Father Cekada, etc  which is funny because they have gone to their eternal reward and know the TRUTH and yet God keeps us in the dark. 

    Why don't we try to help each other instead of bring each other down? 

    We know what the TRUTH is.  We follow that TRUTH.  We pick the priest or bishop that we align with the most, and we HOPE for the best.

    My statement was no call to become Novus Ordo or Protestant. 

    If we doubt everything that God puts before us as Catholics, then we are ripe for the devils picking.
    But most trads do not know the truth because they make exceptions for Catholic dogma and refuse to look at information that tells them otherwise. They cannot say that God didn't give them the opportunity if they wilfully refused to consider the things presented to them. The dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church is vital to this crisis yet so many simply dismiss it because of someones propaganda (perfect example is the slander against Fr Feeney), the priests and bishops will have a larger account to make before God to why they chose to be wilfully ignorant on this subject compared to the flock they were supposed to lead into heaven.

    Despite all the different groups we can only try to be perfect ourselves while also trying to bring up these issues to those willing to see. I go to the SSPX because it's my only option, but I don't believe the things they do, I don't believe in the novus ordo sacraments and new mass, I don't believe that people can have the soul of the Church without being in the Body of Christ, I don't believe in exceptions for water baptism, or exceptions to the dogma EENS. I can only try to faithfully follow the teachings of the Church as best as I can, if I were to blindly follow any group I would most likely lose my soul. Thankfully God has given me plenty of opportunities to learn about the crisis and problems that were developing even before vatican 2.

    But most do not look into these things even if they are given the chance, even if they have the time, or even if you try to spoon feed them with quotes from Popes, councils, Saints and theologians they just don't seem to care enough to consider it. Even emailing priests about these things you usually get the same response, it's like talking to a brick wall. I get that they may have sworn and oath to the society but faith comes first. Personally I have heard some say the mass is the most important thing, And Samuel said: Doth the Lord desire h0Ɩ0cαųsts and victims, and not rather that the voice of the Lord should be obeyed? For obedience is better than sacrifices: and to hearken rather than to offer the fat of rams  [1 Kings (1 Samuel) 15:22] . Now you could argue that the sacrifice of the mass is a matter of faith and I wouldn't disagree but if doubtful ministers offer the sacrifice then it can't be considered a valid mass either. I must try to obey the teaching of the Church as best as I can, and what the Church 'actually' teaches and not what group xyz says the Church teaches because group xyz is not the authority of the Church, even Saints are not the authority of the Church (Saints get authority from the Church and not vice versa), having the proper order of authority is important, if a Saint makes a statement that contradicts Church teaching then that Saint was wrong in that regard. Unfortunately I have argued with many people online who have given more authority to Saints than Church councils and Papal teaching, this is a problem because we cannot agree on truth if we do not have the same authority despite both calling ourselves Catholic.

    Both the issues, EENS and novus ordo sacraments are related. If you compromise on one thing you eventually compromise on other things even if you don't realise it. The SSPX and picking a lesser evil/the end does not justify the means, comes to mind.

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    Re: Feeney the nut job
    « Reply #18 on: October 16, 2024, 07:44:15 PM »
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  • So your saying that 12 married couples didn't start an unauthorized religious order under Fr. Feeney thereby splitting up there children to be raised in a commune?
    I believe this is called a strawman

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    Re: Feeney the nut job
    « Reply #19 on: October 16, 2024, 07:51:56 PM »
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  • I believe this is called a strawman
    Ok.  If whatever Trad group leader suggested to live as what was done under Fr. Feeney, I wouldn't walk but run from such bizarre behavior. The parents first obligation are to their children.   Priest do not have authority to dismiss them from their obligations period. 


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    Re: Feeney the nut job
    « Reply #20 on: October 16, 2024, 08:34:46 PM »
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  • So your saying that 12 married couples didn't start an unauthorized religious order under Fr. Feeney thereby splitting up there children to be raised in a commune?
    I'm sorry but it sounds like an end of the world doomsday cult.
    Do you have sources for this?  Others say it is all slander.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Feeney the nut job
    « Reply #21 on: October 16, 2024, 08:58:14 PM »
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  • The Catholic lawyer in the video quoted a brother Andre.  He also references a book written by one of the children entitled "Walled in" .  The alleged discipline handed down by the group on the children was abusive.
    If you believe this sort of behavior is unique to Fr. Feeney, it's not.  I have friends that were brought into another traditional cult in north America because it looked like they were holding on to the Faith.  This group is still around and their religious sisters say mass.

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    Re: Feeney the nut job
    « Reply #22 on: October 16, 2024, 09:36:32 PM »
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  • The Catholic lawyer in the video quoted a brother Andre.  He also references a book written by one of the children entitled "Walled in" .  The alleged discipline handed down by the group on the children was abusive.
    If you believe this sort of behavior is unique to Fr. Feeney, it's not.  I have friends that were brought into another traditional cult in north America because it looked like they were holding on to the Faith.  This group is still around and their religious sisters say mass.

    That "lawyer" in the video seems to be anonymous. 
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    Re: Feeney the nut job
    « Reply #23 on: October 16, 2024, 10:23:42 PM »
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  • Someone has decided it was time for another hit piece on Fr. Leonard.  Were they put up to it?  No matter. (Though we note that if this was a PRO-Fr. Feeney thread, the OP may well have been reminded that it should go in that place of honor:  The Fr. Feeney Ghetto.) 

    A few things - It should be noted that the parents of Maximilian Kolbe, for example, also separated and entered religious orders.  And it wasn't unusual in Catholic eras, for children to be given to monasteries or convents for their education - or to join young.  It was thought a safer environment for their soul, as opposed to being in the world.  As for doing this now - well, such a world!  It's just that it is unusual in "Protestant" America for it to take place.  As for the MICM, how do you know Fr. Feeney put the parents up to anything - these individuals may well have approached him to discuss what they felt called to. Our Lady gave the graces to those she wanted.  Things developed from there.  As Sr. Catherine put it, they had to prepare for the battle of defending the Faith, especially the attack on No Salvation.  They understood the sacrifice they were asked to make for the graces necessary. No one was forced to join or do anything.  A vocation is a calling to respond to or reject. And priests have often started religious orders - orders have to start somewhere in order to later get a more official approval.  In any case, the MICM only, willfully, made a simple vow.  You can go from marriage into religious life with the approval of both spouses.

    But none of this alters the fact that the Catholic Church is the one, true Church, that "no salvation" has been defined not just once but three times - and baptism of water is necessary for salvation.  Fr. Feeney or no Fr. Feeney - those assertions remain. Those Facts of the Faith.  God raises up those He needs for His cause at different times in Church history - and for this He used Fr. Feeney in our day.  (He used Fr. Wathen in the same way about the New Mass and to defend the True Mass.  And Fr. Wathen also held Fr. Feeney's, so-to-speak, "positions.")

    Is anyone interested in being fair - in wanting to be careful - and will allow St. Benedict Center to speak, to explain itself to the world?  The following docuмent goes through the interaction of the Modernists in Rome with Fr. Feeney.  Read it, at least.  And it is well to remember that "The Boston Heresy Case" was the Center accusing Cardinal Cushing of heresy - and not the other way around!

    Scrolling down, take a look at "Architects of Confusion" -

    https://www.scribd.com/docuмent/32685492/Architects-of-Confusion-The-Unmasking-of-the-Plot-against-the-Church-s-Foundational-Doctrine-on-Salvation

    By the way, Fr. Feeney was no NUT.  He was probably the priest in the world the Modernists/Globalists least wanted as a foe, famous and beloved as he was.  He was an intellectual and Catholic heavyweight.  And was particularly known as a pious devote of Our Lady.  It was most inconvenient for them that he was given the grace to see the attack on the Extra Ecclesiam doctrine - as the Modernists (a condemned heresy) were planning to make Ecuмenism a hallmark of their heretical upcoming Vatican II.  

    This is a good and pure man, and a holy priest.







               
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    Re: Feeney the nut job
    « Reply #24 on: October 16, 2024, 10:29:51 PM »
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  • Concerning “Bread of Life” by Fr. Leonard Feeney  --
     
    Pope John XXIII assigned Monsignor Francis Cassano (deceased) to review and examine Bread of Life by Father Leonard Feeney.  He was to find any errors - nay, heresy.  He reported there was nothing "contrary to faith" in Bread of Life.  Msgr. Cassano eventually had a parish on the Hudson River and attested his conclusion to many people, including the Center itself.  (This Monsignor was not a "nobody" - he had also been assigned by Rome to investigate the case of the mystic stigmatist, Mother Aiello.)  We hear lots of calumnies from Rome (and others) about Fr. Feeney ... but we never seem to hear of this particular report – which found no flaw in Father’s famous book, “Bread of Life.”


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    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Feeney the nut job
    « Reply #25 on: October 16, 2024, 10:51:15 PM »
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  • Twelve couples decided to take religious vows and rear their children communally. This was not under the orders of Father Feeney, and if anything, he was a moderating influence that no one should do so until the youngest child was at least three, which was the age at which Our Lady was given by her parents to be raised in the Temple. Misplaced zeal? Possibly. Sinful? Not if done by mutual consent. Calling it a doomsday cult is definitely slander. The only group who made mistakes in the early days of the crisis? Not a chance. Abp Thuc and the Palmar de Troya bit comes to mind. But at a time when the hierarchy had absolutely failed the faithful and religious orders had begun to crash, the desire to give something huge to God and agree to Josephite situations was an incredible sacrifice. It also did not continue past the original group. The communal raising of the children was not some doctrine of Fr. Feeney and was short-lived. Most of the Center's married supporters, however, did not join the religious order unless it was as Tertiaries, and remained with their families. 

    As for "Walled In," that family was a sad case indeed, but they likely would have had a sob story without the Center involvement. The situation was that both parents agreed to take religious vows and enter the monastery and convent. The father tired of it, renounced his religious vows, left, got custody of the children via a court order, got a divorce, remarried, then sent the children back to the Center. Obviously, being tossed back and forth into different lives and then abandoned by the father meant that they were discipline problems for the sisters. The punishments used were no worse than any American public or parochial school in the fifties, though they would be abuse by modern standards. And if the Center situation had been truly abusive, the blame lands on the father of the author for handing him back over. Said author also credited his academic and material success to his education in the Center school, ironically.

    There is one other individual who also wrote an expose book on her childhood there. And her issue isn't really with the Center, either, but with God Almighty. She publicly refers to herself as a witch, and sits on the board of a transgender activist group and we are supposed to trust her word? Again, every group has their bitter ex-adherents who had something they didn't want to confess and then let it simmer enough to lead them away from the Faith entirely. Meanwhile, I personally know a number of these Center children, now in their 70's, who are happy Catholic grandparents or religious themselves. Their stories are quite different from the two discontents. And for a number of years, there were reunion picnics in Still River where they would get together.



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    Re: Feeney the nut job
    « Reply #26 on: October 16, 2024, 10:59:58 PM »
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  • Cardinal Cushing of Boston was openly preaching salvation outside of the Church.  (As we’re many in the Church).  The Church was fully infiltrated in the early 1900s when Pope St Pius X claimed he was “surrounded by wolves”.

    V2 couldn’t have happened without the watering down/denial of EENS.  Fr Feeney (and followers) would go to Boston College campus (a supposed catholic university) and preach the necessity of the Church to get to heaven.  Cushing didn’t like the growing movement and complained to Rome.  Rome told Fr Feeney to report there for a trial.  He said “What are the charges?”  No response.  So he ignored it, per canon law.  

    It’s no different than +ABL being “summoned” to Rome on the day he was going to consecrate the 4 bishops in 1988.  By that time, he knew that new-Rome was dishonest and ignored them.  He too, was excommunicated for “disobedience”.  

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    Re: Feeney the nut job
    « Reply #27 on: October 16, 2024, 11:48:38 PM »
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  • Like happens with Fr. Feeney? You participated in slander by calling a deceased holy priest disobedient, overly dogmatic, and linking to a secular article with half-truths. The facts have been presented to you.  If you want peace and you want trad infighting to stop, then quit contributing to it. Slanders were posted, slanders were rebutted. Facts were given. More information and resources can be given if you really want to know the whole story. And now we are into "why can't we all get along?" We can't get along because of exactly the kind of behavior you have engaged in. All you need to do was say "Wow, I didn't know that! Makes sense." Or ask another sincere question. Stay on topic, please. But slander is always sinful and as such, public slanders need to be called out.
    I am sorry you think I slandered Father Feeney. It was not my intent.

    Here is what I said

    "Why would we still try to listen to him today?  Maybe he was right in addressing some issues, but to be overly dogmatic can also be a sign of great pride."

    Let me be more clear on what I was trying to say.  Maybe he was right on some issues, but maybe people are too attached (making his opinions a dogma of the church) and that is a sign of pride.

    We jump too quickly to judge living people.  It doesn't matter what I think of Father Feeney because God has already judged him.

    A side question can one actually slander, columny, or detract some one who is dead? (Serious question)
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    Re: Feeney the nut job
    « Reply #28 on: October 17, 2024, 04:12:59 AM »
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  • Let’s live in present day.  The biggest nut job is Mr.  Bergolio who denies Jesus Christ everyday. 
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    Re: Feeney the nut job
    « Reply #29 on: October 17, 2024, 05:35:24 AM »
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  • I might be naive on Father Feeney's particulars, but I know that disobedience is the root cause of the fall of man.  It has been from the time Adam fell in the Garden of Eden.  If God wants success he requires obedience.  You want this Crisis to come to an end, then stop finding everything to disagree with and start finding the authority you wish to follow, and stick to it.  It sucks that there are so many to choose from right now.

    St. Athanansius, pray for us!!!!
    Yes Gray, you are naive on Fr. Feeney's particulars, as are all those who continue to slander him even today. The fraudulent case against him was initially perpetrated by his Bishop (later promoted to Cardinal) Cushing. Read a little about what +Cushing stood for here, which, if you only read the headlines should explain some of the reasons for Fr. Feeney's disobedience and why.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse