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Offline epiphany

Re: Fauci declares that the CDC should be above the law
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2022, 09:21:45 AM »
Quote from: LeDeg on April 24, 2022, 09:43:33 PM
St. Robert Bellarmine wrote in Book IX, Ch IX, n. 15: “For although Liberius was not a heretic, nevertheless he was considered one, on account of the peace he made with the Arians, and by that presumption the pontificate could rightly [merito] be taken from him: for men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple [simpliciter], and condemn him as a heretic.”
O.k., but that was the opinion of one saint, not the Church.

I just don't agree with the idea of a person going around claiming that this person or that is excommunicated.  I do agree with the notion of saying this or that person's actions seem to be heretical, or that their actions are not Catholic.

But to say a baptized Catholic is not a Catholic anymore is reserved only to the pope.
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Fauci declares that the CDC should be above the law
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2022, 09:47:03 AM »
Quote from: epiphany on April 23, 2022, 09:53:03 AM
We can say "this baptized Catholic is not acting like a Catholic" or "this person who claims to be Catholic doesn't profess the Catholic Faith".

But to say a baptized Catholic IS NOT a Catholic anymore is reserved only to the pope.
And it is this logic which has precisely led to the predicament we are in today
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Offline epiphany

Re: Fauci declares that the CDC should be above the law
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2022, 11:25:12 AM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on April 25, 2022, 09:47:03 AM
And it is this logic which has precisely led to the predicament we are in today

A traditional priest taught me that it is wrong to speak as you support because I cannot proclaim that I am Pope.

He said it irks him when people walk around saying this and that baptized person isn't Catholic.  We are not all little popes, entitled to such authority.

He said, rather, that we can say "his actions are not that of a Catholic person", or something similar.

Granted, that is the opinion of one priest and not the Church, but it made sense to me and that is the way I am going to stick with. 
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Fauci declares that the CDC should be above the law
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2022, 11:26:54 AM »
Quote from: epiphany on April 25, 2022, 11:25:12 AM
A traditional priest taught me that it is wrong to speak as you support because I cannot proclaim that I am Pope.

He said it irks him when people walk around saying this and that baptized person isn't Catholic.  We are not all little popes, entitled to such authority.

He said, rather, that we can say "his actions are not that of a Catholic person", or something similar.

Granted, that is the opinion of one priest and not the Church, but it made sense to me and that is the way I am going to stick with.
But Protestants are baptized. Are they Catholic even though they profess a faith other than the Catholic faith? No.

You're right that I can't "declare" anyone to not be a Catholic more than I can't "declare" that the see is vacant. But I can have an informed opinion, based upon their external profession, that they are not Catholic.
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Offline epiphany

Re: Fauci declares that the CDC should be above the law
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2022, 01:07:52 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on April 25, 2022, 11:26:54 AM
But Protestants are baptized. Are they Catholic even though they profess a faith other than the Catholic faith? No.

You're right that I can't "declare" anyone to not be a Catholic more than I can't "declare" that the see is vacant. But I can have an informed opinion, based upon their external profession, that they are not Catholic.
A traditional priest taught me that it is wrong to speak as you support because I cannot proclaim that I am Pope.

He said it irks him when people walk around saying this and that baptized Catholic person isn't Catholic.  We are not all little popes, entitled to such authority.

He said, rather, that we can say "his actions are not that of a Catholic person", or something similar.

Granted, that is the opinion of one priest and not the Church, but it made sense to me and that is the way I am going to stick with.


There you go, fixed it.

"You're right that I can't "declare" anyone to not be a Catholic more than I can't "declare" that the see is vacant. But I can have an informed opinion, based upon their external profession, that they are not Catholic."

Stating "this [baptized Catholic] person is not Catholic" is not stating "in my opinion", but stating factually, which you have no authoritity to do.  Better to say "my informed opinion..."
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