I'm not sure what "slaming" meansThey misspelled "slamming."
I wrote this comment on YouTube:.
Your video model of the flat earth cannot adequately explain lunar or solar eclipses. There are also issues with the sun's size and movement from sunrise to sunset, as well as seasonal changes, in the flat earth model. While I will not toss the flat earth model outright, I am not convinced of it, either. There are too many uncertainties.
A relatively easy experiment is with the use of a weather type balloon, a camera, a cheap GPS tracker and a few more bits to round up a makeshift "space" camera. One can buy kits online for this experiment.
One thing I will not accept, however, is the notion that the moon gives off its own light, which is a notion also promoted by quite a few of those who espouse the flat earth model.
Josh Crossley (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXTmGoIEAq6We86dWaFX3oA)1 week ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7lDq4dOlIk&lc=z13gz3zi0ku2clubh04cg1342ui5g5xy4wg0k).
Hey guys, your video was respectful in its arguments, so I will do my best to return the sentiment.
I don't have the time to rebut each argument, however I do care to comment on the lighthouse argument. Now, the height at which you observe the horizon will drastically alter the distance at which the curvature of the earth will "hide" far away objects. Your calculation included a viewing distance of zero feet, or the viewpoint of an ant. For a person of around 6 ft tall, the curvature will only hide closer to 110 ft of distance.
Proof is the most important thing to you guys, and luckily I do have some very good DIY proof. Next time you're ever at the beach, lay down flat on your stomach and watch the sun set. As soon as the sun has disappeared, pop up to your feet, and you will have roughy 15min to enjoy the sunset yet again. A demonstration using a cherry picker has displayed that you can watch the sun set continuously for much longer.
My second point is to dispute the data utilized in your analysis of the viewable lighthouse distance. We are all aware that the earth's surface, no matter what shape you believe it to be, is not perfectly even. Mountains are great proof of this. At the beach, the horizon should be more or less horizontal relative to inland areas, but do notice that the water of the ocean does not rise above the entire beach, even during high tides, nor that the shoreline is evenly distanced from the boardwalk at all points. There are inconsistencies in the topographic layout of thee earth here, and whether you FEEL that this could change your hidden horizon distance or not, this is backed by simple calculations. One simply needs to take a surveyor's toolset to the beach and spend an afternoon mapping it.
My last point is this, and I promise I have no intention to be condescending. But within your group of flat earth believers, it would be highly beneficial for some of you to attend college to study physics, or simply learn it at home. Newtonian physics from the 17th century is very easy to grasp for the more mathematically inclined, and given the amount of work and research you've put into these theories, you could learn a decent amount of these Newtonian physics.
Newtonian physics are not the end-all be-all of physics. Einstein's general theory of relativity represents the physical forces and energies on a cosmic scale, while quantum mechanics is a better estimation of tiny atomic forces. While even these more modern theories (QM being the most recent) cannot explain all the phenomena of our universe, they provide amazing representations that have confirmed hypothesis for many decades. Newtonian physics is much older, and while the calculations in no way apply to the cosmic scale or atomic scale, they provide a nearly perfect model of the physical forces we experience on this planet, given our specific mass and density found on most of the planet's surface, which define the calculated gravity (9.81 m/s^2).
Seek this knowledge and you will find your enlightenment. This is the information age, you do not have to pay a college system that you feel is corrupt to learn Newtonian physics. The best part of these physics is that it not only provides specific calculations for how to nearly perfectly predict the outcome of forces and energies upon masses on this planet, but with practice you will begin to see the reason and logic of the calculations. This requires a deeper peak beneath the surface, and may only be accessed, again, by the mathematically inclined.
I have a Bachelor's of Science in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Oklahoma, and I am a 4th year student at the University of Oklahoma College of Dentistry to obtain my doctorate of dental surgery this coming May. This will conclude my 9th year of University education towards my doctorate. What do teeth have to do with this you may ask? They provide many, MANY more applications of physics to determine which material, which design of bridge or crown, how much torque to apply to different areas of the canal to perform root canal treatment.
I made a 35 out of 36 on the ACT and missed no questions on the Math portion of the Exam. I My bachelor's degree included 132 credit hours, and many of them were physics based, including specifically Newtonian Physics I and II, as well as modern physics to learn a bit about Einstein's theories, Quantum mechanics, and a touch of string theory. My math credentials include a perfect score of 5 out of 5 on the AP calculus exam during my senior year of high school, completing Calculus II, III, and IV (up to rocket science), as well as intro to differential equations, which can even better teach one to calculate the forces imposed by this earth on movable objects within or around its orbit.
I've read many publications on physics from various sources, not just from OU. I used many different resources to check them against my University's teachings. I worked as a product engineer manager while simultaneously personally performing the most difficult tasks at my old company, IEC, an HVAC custom design company, for 1.5 years. I've tutored 4 semesters of Newtonian physics to 3 different students, earning them all passing grades after failing to pass without my help in explaining the various phenomena found in physics.
I list my credentials not to brag on myself, especially because a difficult bachelor's degree and a doctorate in a medical discipline do not alone grant me credentials, but I simply wish for you to trust me. If you have any further inquiries I can assure you that I can answer them. Please use me as you're expert of analysis until you or a closer acquaintance investigate this centuries-old science more yourselves.
Please keep an open mind, and I hope you will find peace in the fact that in this case, there is no such grand theory plotting against us civilians. The world is often not as cruel as we may imagine. And keep in mind that Newtonian physics alone proved the theory of a spherical (well, more elliptical, due to it's heavy centripetal forces about it's axis of rotation) earth, and this was in the 17th century during Isaac Newton's lifetime in 17th century England. A conspiracy with 350 years of secrecy is extremely far fetched for me to believe. But of course my mind contains the knowledge I need to assure myself of the certainty of a round earth. I hope to fill your minds with this information as well.
And for any of the younger viewers, worry not about necessary proof always seeming unobtainable, as space exploration vessels will offer trips to civilians within our lifetime. It is here that you may all experience the round earth yourselves. Until then, all you have is your science, and I challenge you to seek true knowledge, and accept that our individual perspectives and understanding of our existence are often not to be trusted. It is only with hard data and measurement, using more reliable methods than pixel counting without physical topography of the area, for example, that we can obtain proof only inside our minds, which we have been gifted to use with boundless potential to envision the world in which we exist. Good luck in your search, and please learn that on occasion, trust in others can be more valuable that trust in oneself. We are a civilization, committed to the good of all men, regardless of what our governments and corporate rulers may desire.
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Absolutely brilliant post but I'm a little disappointed you didn't tell him the azimuthal map is actually a globe and that explains why it fits so very well. I'm a little concerned that people can live in three dimensions but only think in two.(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVsxk1ipoMSqg0uNuTEjCbw)
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Josh Crossley I never see that. You have good clarification and reasoning. Good job bro
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JonJon thanks! I received so much good education that I don't really use, and it's my biggest wish to find a way to pass this info on to others. I'm just not naturally a good teacher, but I'm working on it!
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Interesting.Father Pfeiffer has an opinion. That's it. He proves he knows very little about either model in his presentation. You can tell that a lot of his answers are made up out of thin air.
He doesn't get it does he?
Why have sailors for millennia placed a man in the bird's nest, several yards above the deck, thus enabling him to see objects at a great distance, or more recently, the rays of a lighthouse?
I discussed with a proponent of flat earth recently, and after getting him to admit that men's distance of vision should be the same regardless of their altitude, he was not able to explain why sailors utilize raised platforms in order to observe distant objects.
The obvious answer is that the curvature of the earth is sufficient to inhibit a man's visibility to a certain distance where he who stands above is able to see around more of the curvature and therefore has increased visibility.
Serious question- those of you who believe in Flat Earth: Do you believe that all of the pictures from space are fake? If so, what are "they" supposedly to gain by perpetrating this hoax?NASA readily admits their pictures are not actual pictures or photos, but are renderings, cgi images and photoshopped. Yes, all of them. By NASA's own admission. Photoshopped images have characteristics when layers are used. NASA's images often reveal cut and paste overlays. NASA employees who work on the renderings admit they build images like "The Blue Marble" from 'ribbons of information' or literally paint them themselves. NASA uses green screen technology and harnesses to fake the buoyant astronauts in the ISS. Here's how they do it: https://youtu.be/V-Y6CvkEHvc (https://youtu.be/V-Y6CvkEHvc)
NASA readily admits their pictures are not actual pictures or photos, but are renderings, cgi images and photoshopped. Yes, all of them. By NASA's own admission. Photoshopped images have characteristics when layers are used. NASA's images often reveal cut and paste overlays. NASA employees who work on the renderings admit they build images like "The Blue Marble" from 'ribbons of information' or literally paint them themselves. NASA uses green screen technology and harnesses to fake the buoyant astronauts in the ISS. Here's how they do it: https://youtu.be/V-Y6CvkEHvc (https://youtu.be/V-Y6CvkEHvc)How does a flight from Australia to Chile take only 12 hours if the earth is flat? The plane would need to fly twice the speed of sound to cover the flat earth distance between the two points. The earth is a sphere.
What are they to gain for lying? Well, you know the old saying that lies enslave, right? This is a monumental lie that permits the perpetrators to rule the world. It's all about money and control. (Consider NASA's 20 billion dollar yearly budget) They also do it so they can more easily make laws regarding conservation, raise taxes in the name of..., promote fear of aliens, global warming and manufactured divisions between peoples that wind up costing us both financially and spiritually in the name of protecting the scarce resources of an orphan planet. Ultimately, they use it to hide God.
How does a flight from Australia to Chile take only 12 hours if the earth is flat? The plane would need to fly twice the speed of sound to cover the flat earth distance between the two points. The earth is a sphere.There is more than one model of the flat earth. Just because we can't answer all the configuration problems doesn't mean the earth is a ball. That's like saying, since we can't know how many clouds are in the sky at any one time, there are no clouds. Flat earthers are humble enough to know what they don't know. Globers know nothing and still spout 4th grade nonsense they never really understood but fully embraced and never questioned again. The facts proving earth is flat are self evident: There's no curve. Ever. Water doesn't conform to the outside of a sphere. Ships don't disappear behind a "curve". Travel instruments like astrolabes, compasses, light houses and gyroscopes do not work on a curved surface, but are entirely dependant upon level, perpendicular/horizontal or straight lines of sight. The horizon is always horizontal to upright man and is therefore not an arc. The words sea LEVEL tell us a lot. Elevation (based on the word level) is measured with instruments that work on a plane, not on a curve. Sundials are quite flat so the shadow of the passing sun leaves a shadow that determines time of day and they don't work on a curved surface. NASA has lied through their teeth about the spinning, whirling, barreling earth through space. They lied about going to the moon. They lie when they use green screens to pretend astronauts are in space. They lie when they send rockets out sideways (never straight up) and land them in the ocean. NASA lies about the "planets" which have been proven to be stars, not terra firma worlds. I've proven this personally with my own P900 camera. With all the lying indoctrination going on from modern Big Bang atheist scientists, enriching themselves using this lie, its a wonder people continue to put faith in them. But then, heliocentrism is a religion, proven not by empirical evidence but merely believed by false faith. Spherical earth belongs exclusively to the pagan heliocentric paradigm.
I could be wrong but I almost get the impression that Flat Earthers are in reality sophisticated trollers. If they are not then I must ask how does any of this relate to the Faith? Why are you so strident in your beliefs?The only way to find out whether this is nonsense is to do your homework; study flat earth. Get to know both sides of the argument. In the meantime, flat earth is the truth, so it has everything to do with the Faith. The Church condemned heliocentrism/spherical earth because that model was contrary to scripture. This was well known during the Galileo Affair. When science finally cowed the Church into silence and claimed they'd proven earth to be a moving globe, that Galileo was right, the Church has became the butt of jokes. This put scripture and the Church in the stupid, archaic realm, totally "behind the times" and utterly mistaken. NASA and pagan science has capitalized on this skepticism of the Church, big time. They own the microphone and speakers when it comes to the science of the world and the cosmos. And they are gaining incredible power with the money generated by it. In fact, heliocentric science has so empowered the Big Banger evolutionists, with the masses literally worshiping false science by pouring billions of dollars into false space programs, evolution, fake global warming endeavours, lies about dwindling resources which must necessarily be limited on an orphan planet (to the advantage of those benefiting from pretend scarce resources). The entire paganization of earth is utterly dependant on heliocentrism/spherical earth. The big boys running this operation don't call themselves "globalists" for nothing. The sphere itself is the basis for relativity and consequently, for lies. After all, level isn't level, its curved. Up isn't up, its out. West isn't actually west, its relative. People are upside down to each other on a globe...and yet, we're all said to be standing upright. Such lies generate new lies and so on. Flat earth has everything to do with the world because God already told us about our world in scripture. He described it as having a face, with a dome over it that divides the upper waters from the lower waters, that the sun and moon are lights, not worlds, that the earth has a foundation, it is set on pillars and it can never be moved. Denying what God taught in scripture, what the Catholic Fathers taught, what the Church taught, then it becomes clear, this is a matter of faith, and therefore salvation. If you wonder why someone might lose their soul over this, remember, the world at large has abandoned what the Church taught and embraced pagan science as their religion-choice for facts. Oh, and just try to tell them the truth! They'll literally CRUCIFY you. If it doesn't matter, why do they get so violent? The fact is, it does matter. And it is a religion to many, many people. Interestingly, it also turns out that it is also a matter of corporal life and death. And the Satanic powers-that-be are sitting fat and happy in their Re-Creation of the world ready to scrape in all the rest of the related monies they can before pulling the plug on the economy and/or going to war to bring about their ultimate goal (because we're so overcrowded): depopulation.
How does a flight from Australia to Chile take only 12 hours if the earth is flat? The plane would need to fly twice the speed of sound to cover the flat earth distance between the two points. The earth is a sphere.Perhaps 12 hours, if those flights exist.
I could be wrong but I almost get the impression that Flat Earthers are in reality sophisticated trollers. If they are not then I must ask how does any of this relate to the Faith? Why are you so strident in your beliefs?The reason we are strident is because it is so obviously flat. There is no visible curvature and we can see objects now over the "horizon" with modern cameras, which we should not see. You just have to do the maths.
Serious question- those of you who believe in Flat Earth: Do you believe that all of the pictures from space are fake? If so, what are "they" supposedly to gain by perpetrating this hoax?Because, as I mentioned just now, it is so obviously not round. Get someone to deny what is front of their face, and you will get them to believe anything after that.
I could be wrong but I almost get the impression that Flat Earthers are in reality sophisticated trollers. If they are not then I must ask how does any of this relate to the Faith? Why are you so strident in your beliefs?Trollers, surely, but sophisticated? Give me a break!
The reason we are strident is because it is so obviously flat. There is no visible curvature and we can see objects now over the "horizon" with modern cameras, which we should not see. You just have to do the maths..
As for your second question; are you talking about the Vendee globe? If you look at the race route, you will see, that while it is advertised as going around the Antartic, in fact it just goes around the capes.Thanks for your reply. Regarding the first question, I'm going to agree to disagree with you. I witness first hand the observations reported and those observations conflict with the explanation you are providing. For myself, I feel it is ok to disagree in this case.
I admit that this is further on a flat earth map. We are not rigidly attached to the maps, and are open to correction.
The whole race could also be faked.
In any case, it is a man made race, as opposed to a God-made flat horizon with no curvature. The latter always trumps.
A theory about meteorites is that they are parts of the Dome falling..
Here is the overall view
Yesterday evening, the International Space Station was visible in Southern California from 2119 to 2126.
Use a telescope, the ISS is pretty easy to verify with your own eye..
Tonight in Southern California, you can view the ISS from 2018 to 2026.
This topic should be quarantined into a sub-forum like the other silly topics
Thanks Neil, there I was, awash in the illusions of the puppet master, my mind chained to his deception, then, by grace these brave soldiers of truth, against all odds, are here to save me. I am so very fortunate..
Trollers, surely, but sophisticated? Give me a break!Flat-earthers--sophisticated? :laugh1:
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How many flat-earthers were alive and paying attention when the space shuttle Colombia broke up upon re-entry and the fractured debris spilled across the sky covering several western states for all to see in broad daylight?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxXr86aIRwA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oBTzbKx0jo
I think you flat-earthers might be trolls who tired of harassing Mormons with the meme regarding the workings of magnets and have set up shop here on CI..
.Some Baal earthers do troll without discernment of any kind.
Good assessment, 1st Mansion Tenant. Trolls or termites, take your pick.
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what i need to know is if there is only one turtle, or if its turtles all the way down.Where do the poops go? Got me a little worried...
Where do the poops go? Got me a little worried...asteroid belt. duh.
.Still no replies about shuttle Columbia from the flat-earthers.
Apparently flat-earthers feel really uncomfortable answering questions about shuttle Colombia.
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asteroid belt. duh.but if there's gravity... or are they stapled together?
but if there's gravity... or are they stapled together?im sorry but the poop belt is not up for debate.
im sorry but the poop belt is not up for debate.Science is mean.
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Apparently flat-earthers feel really uncomfortable answering questions about shuttle Colombia.
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.It's a long story, you're not up to it. The shuttle columbia is nothing more than a glorified air plane. Nuff said.
I guessed right. No answers from flat tards. Non sequiturs don't qualify.
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By the way, why has no one been able to provide a recording or a script or anything showing Fr. Pfeiffer's slaming (slamming?) Flat Earth?
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What did Fr. Pfeiffer say to get you flat-tards so worked up with your panties in a bunch?
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It's a long story, you're not up to it. The shuttle columbia is nothing more than a glorified air plane. Nuff said..
.No offense guy, but I'm starting to think the only reason this thread still has a pulse is because you keep shooting the juice to it.
More fake nonsense from flat-earthers who don't know how to open their eyes and look.
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What did Fr. Pfeiffer say that got flat-earthers so panty-bunched-up?
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No post in this thread ever had a thing about what Fr. said. So it must have been unmentionable.
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Or perhaps far to embarrassing for flat-earthers, who are already very embarrassed.
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So nothing on shuttle Colombia, and nothing on Fr. Pfeiffer. That speaks volumes. Just denial. More volumes.
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The evidence against you clowns is piling up to the sky. ;D
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Scripture on flat earth...Methods identical to "Pastor Bob's House of Praise and Pancakes."
According to the Bible, we live in a self-contained, three-tiered system {Heaven, Earth, Underworld}:
Job 1:7-8; 2:2-3; 37:12; 38:30-34; Gen. 28:12-17; Ex. 20:4; Num. 16:31-33; Deut. 5:8; 1 Sam. 28:13-14; 1 Chron. 29:11; 2 Chron. 6:4; Psa. 46:8-10; 113:6; 119:19; Isa. 14:9-11; 51:13-14; Joel 2:30; Amos 9:2; Luke 10:15; 16:19-31; Acts 2:19; Phil. 2:10; 1 Pet. 3:18-20; 2 Pet. 2:4-5; Jude 6; Rev. 5:3, 13; 9:1-11; 20:14
There is a solid firmament (dome/vault) over us:
Job 22:14; 37:18; Gen. 1:6-8, 20; Ex. 24:10; Psa. 104:2; Prov. 8:27-28; Isa. 40:21-22; 45:12; 66:1; Jer. 10:12; 51:15; Ezek. 1:22-26; Amos 9:6
God's throne sits above the heavens (waters):
Job 9:8; 22:14; 37:18; Deut. 26:15; Psa. 11:4; 29:3, 10; 33:13; 103:19; 104:2-3; 148:4; Isa. 40:21-22; 66:1; Jer. 10:12-13; Ezek 1:22-28; 28:2; Amos 9:6
The sun, moon and stars are in the firmament {and the stars shall fall to Earth}:
Gen. 1:14-18; Psa. 19:4-6; Isa. 34:4; Dan. 8:10; Matt. 24:29; Mark 13:25; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev. 6:13-14; 9:1; 12:4
There are “floodgates” (windows) in the firmament:
Gen. 7:11; 8:2; 2 Kings 7:2-19; Mal. 3:10
The Earth is inscribed in a circular (flat) fashion into something with 4 corners and surrounded by water:
Job 11:9; 26:10-11; 37:3; 38:12-18; Gen. 1:1-9; 49:25; Psa. 24:1-2; 72:8; 136:6; Prov. 8:27-29; Isa. 11:12; 13:5; 40:22; 41:8-9; 44:24; Ezek. 7:2; Dan. 4:10-11, Zech. 9:10; Matt. 4:8; 24:31; Rev. 7:1; 20:8
Earth is a geocentric, stationary world set on pillars:
Job 26:11; 38:4-6; Josh. 10:13; Psa. 19:4-6; 75:3; 104:5; Prov. 8:29; Ecc. 1:5; 1 Sam. 2:8; 2 Sam. 22:8; Joel 2:10; Zech. 12:1
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 1 Corinthians 3:19
It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. - Psalm 118:8
Scripture on flat earth...
According to the Bible, we live in a self-contained, three-tiered system {Heaven, Earth, Underworld}:
Job 1:7-8; 2:2-3; 37:12; 38:30-34; Gen. 28:12-17; Ex. 20:4; Num. 16:31-33; Deut. 5:8; 1 Sam. 28:13-14; 1 Chron. 29:11; 2 Chron. 6:4; Psa. 46:8-10; 113:6; 119:19; Isa. 14:9-11; 51:13-14; Joel 2:30; Amos 9:2; Luke 10:15; 16:19-31; Acts 2:19; Phil. 2:10; 1 Pet. 3:18-20; 2 Pet. 2:4-5; Jude 6; Rev. 5:3, 13; 9:1-11; 20:14
There is a solid firmament (dome/vault) over us:
Job 22:14; 37:18; Gen. 1:6-8, 20; Ex. 24:10; Psa. 104:2; Prov. 8:27-28; Isa. 40:21-22; 45:12; 66:1; Jer. 10:12; 51:15; Ezek. 1:22-26; Amos 9:6
God's throne sits above the heavens (waters):
Job 9:8; 22:14; 37:18; Deut. 26:15; Psa. 11:4; 29:3, 10; 33:13; 103:19; 104:2-3; 148:4; Isa. 40:21-22; 66:1; Jer. 10:12-13; Ezek 1:22-28; 28:2; Amos 9:6
The sun, moon and stars are in the firmament {and the stars shall fall to Earth}:
Gen. 1:14-18; Psa. 19:4-6; Isa. 34:4; Dan. 8:10; Matt. 24:29; Mark 13:25; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev. 6:13-14; 9:1; 12:4
There are “floodgates” (windows) in the firmament:
Gen. 7:11; 8:2; 2 Kings 7:2-19; Mal. 3:10
The Earth is inscribed in a circular (flat) fashion into something with 4 corners and surrounded by water:
Job 11:9; 26:10-11; 37:3; 38:12-18; Gen. 1:1-9; 49:25; Psa. 24:1-2; 72:8; 136:6; Prov. 8:27-29; Isa. 11:12; 13:5; 40:22; 41:8-9; 44:24; Ezek. 7:2; Dan. 4:10-11, Zech. 9:10; Matt. 4:8; 24:31; Rev. 7:1; 20:8
Earth is a geocentric, stationary world set on pillars:
Job 26:11; 38:4-6; Josh. 10:13; Psa. 19:4-6; 75:3; 104:5; Prov. 8:29; Ecc. 1:5; 1 Sam. 2:8; 2 Sam. 22:8; Joel 2:10; Zech. 12:1
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 1 Corinthians 3:19
It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. - Psalm 118:8
It's a good idea to posts the passages from Sacred Scripture, since the globe-earthers who post on these threads don't want to take Scripture into account, regarding the shape of the earth. They prefer to obtain their information from secular sources, like NASA..
.Non-Catholic, which means "wrong", eisegetic principles at "play".
The Church and the Bible do not require us to disbelieve what we can see with our own eyes.
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The language used in the Bible is not precise when it comes to physical descriptions of our world, and can be understood in various ways.
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Ambiguity is the enemy of the faith as we can see when Vatican II used it to destroy tradition.
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All you have to do is observe the sun and moon every day and you can easily see their movement and appearance do not conform to a "flat-earth" model.
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When what you read in the Bible conflicts with what you see in the sky, you must be reading the Bible incorrectly.
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That is exactly what flat-earthers are doing. They misunderstand Scripture when they incorrectly interpret flat-earthism there.
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You guys keeping up this charade of "holier-than-thou" mythology only makes you look ridiculous to anyone who is thinking about converting.
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Why would they want to be part of a bunch of nut cases and cretins?
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Ever since Galileo the enemies of the Church have attempted to accuse the Bible and the Church of being wrong, and they've got a lot of followers.
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Their principle contention was heiocentrism, but today, scientists don't adhere to that anymore.
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Even so, the schools still teach it in the classroom.
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This is a big problem they've made for themselves, and you can see it come out when they try to explain the solar eclipse.
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When asked why the moon's shadow moves from west to east, they turn themselves into knots, trying to avoid the problem they've made.
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All they have to say is the sun moves across the sky faster than the moon moves across the sky.
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Simple. That's why the moon's shadow moves from west to east, because the sun is passing up the moon.
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But then they'd have to answer questions about the sun moving in the sky when they said the sun doesn't move.
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If they were honest, all they'd have to say is to think of the earth not moving but the sun moving instead, so you can understand the eclipse.
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But they don't say that, because they still teach heliocentrism.
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They teach heliocentrism but they don't believe heliocentrism.
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Therein lies the rub, as Shakespeare was wont to say.
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OMG, challenger, i knew it!!!Nope, freemasons are not behind the Challenger, the global market (and by that I mean the market that sells globes), the propagation of gas powered sun and fake planets. Have plenty of other cօռspιʀαcιҽs to worry about on top of the pancake breakfasts, fish fries, and fundraisers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY5lB3eh3NI
Nope, freemasons are not behind the Challenger, the global market (and by that I mean the market that sells globes), the propagation of gas powered sun and fake planets. Have plenty of other cօռspιʀαcιҽs to worry about on top of the pancake breakfasts, fish fries, and fundraisers.Prove freemasons are not behind the Challenger, global market, the propagation of gas powered sun and fake planets.
Have plenty of other cօռspιʀαcιҽs to worry about on top of the pancake breakfasts, fish fries, and fundraisers.Prove pancake breakfasts, fish fries and fundraisers are cօռspιʀαcιҽs!
Prove pancake breakfasts, fish fries and fundraisers are cօռspιʀαcιҽs!Wonder away... ;D
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BTW what did Fr. Pfeiffer say to get the flat-earthers all worked up into a tizzy?
Nobody ever mentioned what in the world Fr. Pfeiffer said.
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Maybe he didn't say anything at all!!
.Thanks for the pic. You're likely just going to get dinged with "it's a flat-earth in a snow-globe" or the like.
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BTW what did Fr. Pfeiffer say to get the flat-earthers all worked up into a tizzy?
Nobody ever mentioned what in the world Fr. Pfeiffer said.
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Wonder away... ;D
(https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/father-pfeiffer-slaming-flat-earth-our-response/?action=dlattach;attach=10721;image).
Prove pancake breakfasts, fish fries and fundraisers are cօռspιʀαcιҽs!.
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BTW what did Fr. Pfeiffer say to get the flat-earthers all worked up into a tizzy?
Nobody ever mentioned what in the world Fr. Pfeiffer said.
Why don't you just watch the video??
What did Fr. Pfeiffer say that got flat-earthers so panty-bunched-up?
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No post in this thread ever had a thing about what Fr. said. So it must have been unmentionable.
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Or perhaps far to embarrassing for flat-earthers, who are already very embarrassed.
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Why don't you just watch the video??.
It's not hard to find and it doesn't say anything very interesting. He just doesn't think the earth is flat. He also thinks the words "globe" and "circle" mean the same thing, which they don't. Duh.
.Of COURSE you have something to hide! Thank you very much.
So why are you so worked up then? Have something to hide?
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.We didn't want you to watch Father Pfeiffer spewing the globe earth Freemasonic deception.
You guys are so transparent it isn't funny.
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Here I was asking again and again for weeks and you would not answer.
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You never did provide the link so I had to take the time to search for it myself, and finally found it....... Now that I've heard Fr. Pfeiffer's conference it becomes obvious why you wouldn't give me the link. You didn't want me to hear him, but you wouldn't admit that either. But it's true because all you had to do was provide the link. So either you didn't HAVE the link (which is very likely because none of you could stomach listening to this two hour long lecture) or if you had it, you didn't want me to have it.
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(https://us.hideproxy.me/go.php?u=0g4lpWL04%2B5NnWPDNahlFNvClctZn2o8bhFSbcKREsccu8R2sTmlXWwb3is%2B%2BV9iemEG8TTDQOUjkwezzlVR3y59q5Xx%2BX6M6s1%2FfeJYGz1KkzB0LGeelnY96w9gOWYvtR4lOsleC3y0hwL6JQaIUh40wBRCiEFR%2B%2BAIi11Dm0pewaf6DQCRSeF5mSXt%2FM73uZHho%2F59j76GKekX%2BR3QtdhCUKnax5IK9gX%2FjTTbonqdmL%2FHO3dPTp0sq8S3EoGXQjI%2FkPr2vg%3D%3D&b=5)
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.Not at all. I'm not at all offended that Fr. Pfeiffer still believes the ball-earth deception like you. Some people are very stubborn.
So why are you so worked up then? Have something to hide?
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We didn't want you to watch Father Pfeiffer spewing the globe earth Freemasonic deception.ROTFL!
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So you can answer how someone in Australia in this model can see the full moon overhead, then?
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.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvtmzbEgm8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvtmzbEgm8)
In the most objectionable video, Fr. correctly explains that the sun in the image above (which is a favorite of flat-earthers) cannot illuminate one half of the earth with a pattern that transitions from day to night that is a straight line across the "flat" earth (as it does in observed reality everywhere we look). The "flat-earth" model requires the sun's projection of light to be necessarily circular in pattern as the model he displayed (like the one above) shows.
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The sun's light pattern on the "flat"earth is consequently circular, as shown by the yellow region surrounding it. He then says that the duration of daylight in such a model is always a period of 6 hours, whereas in fact, the length of day varies according to season and position on the earth's surface which contradicts the "flat-earth" model.
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There are numerous contradictions between observed reality and the "flat-earth" model.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvtmzbEgm8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvtmzbEgm8).
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Your video has a glaring defece, it doesn't answer my question.
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How does a viewer in Australia see a full moon in the following model?
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Your video has a glaring defect, it doesn't answer my question.
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How does a viewer in Australia see a full moon in the following model?
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Can't answer a simple question, eh? :fryingpan:
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So you can answer how someone in Australia in this model can see the full moon overhead, then?
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"Flat-earth" is not a dogma of the Church.
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True. Is the globe-earth a dogma of the Church?.
True. Is the globe-earth a dogma of the Church?.
Do you believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s)?.
The majority of people on Cathinfo.com who refuse to believe that the earth is flat also do not believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s).
.:incense: ;D
The shape of the earth is not a matter for dogmatic definition. To say whether the earth is flat or spherical is not a proposition regarding faith or morals.
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But flat-earthers act like it's really a matter of life or death.
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All they have to do is look at the moon and think with their mind.
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Animals can look at the moon and don't conclude anything, and flat-earthers are acting like animals in this regard.
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For example, take the post at the top of this page, where Truth is Transitory replies to my post, which asks a question, and his reply does not answer the question but instead Truth is Transitory repeats his off-topic insinuation that flat-earthism is somehow a matter of faith or morals:
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To increase the impression that he's unqualified to ask such questions, he uses an inappropriate plural possessive apostrophe, and proceeds to pass judgment on the intentions of other members, which causes him to appear very non-Catholic. In fact, he looks more and more like a Mohammedan troll trying to undermine a Catholic forum.
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Mohammedans believe a "flat-earth" is necessary aspect of their false religion, AND they commonly misplace apostrophes like that.
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The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos..
The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it..
The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense..
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Wassa matta, Truth is Transitory, cat got your tongue?
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Mr. Neil, it's better some folks just not bother with the moon. Here in Small Town America, plenty of folks can tell you that it makes man and beast ... crazy. Especially so when it's on the rise. Please, show some leniency..
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How does a viewer in Australia see a full moon in the following model?
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.And more videos for you to ignore so you can make more ad hominem attacks!
Oh, look! Three more nonsense videos! But no answer to the questions. Surprise, surprise! ..... NOT!
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And more videos for you to ignore so you can make more ad hominem attacks!Ad hominem attacks? How so?
Ad hominem attacks? How so?Isn't it telling that "we've" fallen into thinking that a perpetual bout of "the dozens" = debate or rational discourse, as is indicated by, e.g., one crying "ad hominem!" in response to the equivalent of "yo momma so fat..."?
If you seriously see it this way, then you're attached to your opinions emotionally rather than intellectually...
You are demanding one of a superior intellect (Neil in this case) to debase himself to a lower standard of learning and reasoning. His opinions are formed by the skills of critical thinking. He judges the merit of something based on the proper use of reason, study and experience.
You on the other hand, have adopted another's opinion strictly by the use of the external senses, reason out the window. The modern motion pictures tend to bypass the faculties of the mind. It, by it's very nature, tends to enforce it's objective on one's will... very dangerous to those without prior objective convictions. I'm not saying that boobtube is always a bad thing, but it IS very dangerous to use as a primary source to form an objective opinion on an important matter.
To sum it up, when a young child enters his first years of elementary training, he is taught by those things which are of a visual nature. As he becomes more mature, those things which are of the visual become less and less... they become more of an aid rather than a necessary tool.
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You are demanding one of a superior intellect (Neil in this case) to debase himself to a lower standard of learning and reasoning. His opinions are formed by the skills of critical thinking. He judges the merit of something based on the proper use of reason, study and experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF94i5XjT5g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF94i5XjT5g)
Isn't it telling that "we've" fallen into thinking that a perpetual bout of "the dozens" = debate or rational discourse, as is indicated by, e.g., one crying "ad hominem!" in response to the equivalent of "yo momma so fat..."?That's hilarious... NOT!
Have you noticed that they are using the thumbs down option more and more as their weapon of choice to respond?Yes, I am the one using the thumbs down option. It's good that the forum allows it. I'm often being thumbed down in return, but that's okay. I expect that.
Just look at that! Before I even had time to go and read my own post... thumbs down! Incredible!
Yes, I am the one using the thumbs down option. It's good that the forum allows it. I'm often being thumbed down in return, but that's okay. I expect that.That's fine... it's the constant thumbing down without substantive refutation that annoys me...
That's hilarious... NOT!While I suspect this to be the case, I can't truly say that I know it; it's the nature of this, minimal to nil accountability, "environment" of anonymity.
How the culturally debased adopted this "yo momma so fat..." with pride, as a signature of their lowly state of being...
Now it's far worse because it's manifesting itself intellectually within the ranks of the "Remnant."
Have you noticed that they are using the thumbs down option more and more as their weapon of choice to respond?
That's fine... it's the constant thumbing down without substantive refutation that annoys me...Right, .*. "... useless... "
Ad hominem attacks? How so?Ad hominem attacks? You just called me stupid without providing a shred refutation for the videos on the non curvature of the earth?
If you seriously see it this way, then you're attached to your opinions emotionally rather than intellectually...
You are demanding one of a superior intellect (Neil in this case) to debase himself to a lower standard of learning and reasoning. His opinions are formed by the skills of critical thinking. He judges the merit of something based on the proper use of reason, study and experience.
You on the other hand, have adopted another's opinion strictly by the use of the external senses, reason out the window. The modern motion pictures tend to bypass the faculties of the mind. It, by it's very nature, tends to enforce it's objective on one's will... very dangerous to those without prior objective convictions. I'm not saying that boobtube is always a bad thing, but it IS very dangerous to use as a primary source to form an objective opinion on an important matter.
To sum it up, when a young child enters his first years of elementary training, he is taught by those things which are of a visual nature. As he becomes more mature, those things which are of the visual become less and less... they become more of an aid rather than a necessary tool.
Ad hominem attacks? You just called me stupid without providing a shred refutation for the videos on the non curvature of the earth?If you want to equate one that analyizes the evidence by properly using the instruments given to him by God to reach a reasonable conclusion to one who's only evidence is the regurgitation of another's opinion per vadum without any thoughtful consideration... than yes, I'd say that's stupid.
How can you claim to be serious?
Technology is a an indifferent medium. If you are Catholic you know that. You yourself are posting on a web forum!
Complaining about the fact that the proofs are in videos is ridiculous because the proofs are visual. You can't do most experiments by just writing about them. They have to be observed.
So please, just go back to bed if you don't want to engage in serious discussion.
Are your posts a joke?The earth is a "ball"? (as in shaped, yes I know you don't mean something to sport with.)
Are you actually reading your own posts before you put them up?
You're just throwing around big words to sound intelligent when in fact you are just talking absolute rubbish.
But so you can't say I didn't respond...
They are perfectly reasonable. Flat earthers and globalists agree on the circuмference of the earth. Approx 25000 miles.
If the earth is a ball there must be a curvature at a fixed mathematical rate. 8 inches per mile squared. This means logically that after a certain point objects should cease to be visible once they have gone beyond a vanishing point. If you can see objects which you know to be at a certain point beyond that vanishing point, then you have completely undermined they hypothesis that this rate of curvature exists.
IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
The only way you will come to accept this, is to go and do the experiments yourself.
Are your posts a joke?Guess they could pass as that to the unlearned..
They are perfectly reasonable. Flat earthers and globalists agree on the circuмference of the earth. Approx 25000 miles.Thanks but no thanks...
Guess they could pass as that to the unlearned..Thanks but no thanks...Glad to see you are exercising humility...
Don't believe in false ecuмenisim... don't start with the "what we have in common" jargon...
Go back to your elders and tell them that we Catholics don't want anything to do with their newfound religion....
Glad to see you are exercising humility...Maybe he perhaps with most to all others not of your creed, is more interested not having this "discussion" if you can make that distinction, and more with either the persons "having" it leaving, or at least being less intrusive, boorish, obnoxious, honestly and immediately responsive, and keeping it chained in its own yard instead of splattered everywhere like some vomitous drunk's dinner and "Dewars".
It's not false ecuмenism, it's logic. Perhaps you have not studied that, which is fair enough. But I can see you are not interested in this discussion, so why don't you just leave?
Maybe he perhaps with most to all others not of your creed, is more interested not having this "discussion" if you can make that distinction, and more with either the persons "having" it leaving, or at least being less intrusive, boorish, obnoxious, honestly and immediately responsive, and keeping it chained in its own yard instead of splattered everywhere like some vomitous drunk's dinner and "Dewars".Then stop reading the threads. It's really very easy.
Then stop reading the threads. It's really very easy.Which ones? ALL of them?
Surely you have enough self discipline to to that?
Didn't find your response(s) wanting anything from me... well put, thanks DZIn hindsight, could have used at least a check on grammar and punctuation, speaking of drunken verbiage but...
.Are your posts a joke?Flat earthers and globalists agree on the circuмference of the earth. Approx 25000 miles.
Are you actually reading your own posts before you put them up?
You're just throwing around big words to sound intelligent when in fact you are just talking absolute rubbish.
But so you can't say I didn't respond...
They are perfectly reasonable.If the earth is a ball there must be a curvature at a fixed mathematical rate. 8 inches per mile squared. This means logically that after a certain point objects should cease to be visible once they have gone beyond a vanishing point. If you can see objects which you know to be at a certain point beyond that vanishing point, then you have completely undermined they hypothesis that this rate of curvature exists.
IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
The only way you will come to accept this, is to go and do the experiments yourself.
.All of this has been provided in the interesting flat earth video thread.
A) Length of the Tropic of Cancer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Cancer), on 11 December 2015, at 23°26′14″N is 36,788 kilometres (22,859 mi).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Cancer#cite_note-3)
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B) Length of the Tropic of Capricorn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Capricorn), on 11 June 2015, at 23°26′14″S is 36,788 kilometres (22,859 mi).[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Capricorn#cite_note-5)
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C) Please explain how flat-earthers can reconcile the identical lengths of these two lines of latitude on their "flat" earth.
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All of this has been provided in the interesting flat earth video thread.
Of COURSE you have something to hide! Thank you very much..
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You don't provide any material from Fr. Pfeiffer's conference because it destroys your pet false idol.
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https://youtu.be/J5iFYlROlos
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After a few weeks of flat-earthdom syndromers refusing to provide a link to the offending video I finally had to find it myself. So then I watched it; and then I knew why the flat-earthdom syndromers were so secretive and non-responsive.If FEers really believed it, it must hurt when a geocentrist doesn't buy into FE. But I don't think most FEers really believe it. Some, sure (I think happenby might), but most seem to me either doing it as a mental challenge or debate exercise, or are trolls of some form.
If FEers really believed it, it must hurt when a geocentrist doesn't buy into FE. But I don't think most FEers really believe it. Some, sure (I think happenby might), but most seem to me either doing it as a mental challenge or debate exercise, or are trolls of some form..
.Unlike you, we aren't attached to false ideologies. One day you're a stationary glober defending Robert Sungenis, the next you're a moving glober defending NASA nonsense. You can't even decide what to believe except you've lost the debate on flat earth and think that holding any line against those who have humiliated you is sufficient. :fryingpan:
After watching a number of YouTube videos and reading the comments under them, it has become obvious to me that a large portion of flat-earthers, perhaps a majority, are merely pretending to think the earth is "flat" because it's a fun game they're playing, by posting inane, cryptic or even deceptive messages online, just to see what reactions they'll get..They seem to take it as an achievement to post a word or two, maybe a three or four word phrase, but no more than two very short sentences, after which that one post evokes 20 or 30 or more replies most of which are many times longer. They seem to interpret this as having power. It's a kind of blasting cap mentality. One small spark ignites a conflagration. It's just entertainment, at the expense of others who mistakenly take them seriously. There have been a few of them here on CI but they eventually get banned for heresy. Heretics tend to be impressed with a false sense of power or self-importance.
Unlike you, we aren't attached to false ideologies. One day you're a stationary glober defending Robert Sungenis, the next you're a moving glober defending NASA nonsense. You can't even decide what to believe except you've lost the debate on flat earth and think that holding any line against those who have humiliated you is sufficient. :fryingpan:.
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I believe it would be pretty interesting to see Fr. Pfeiffer face off with "pastor" Doka (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/how-catholicism-is-different-from-protestantism/) in a debate on this topic.
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.A) Length of the Tropic of Cancer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Cancer), on 11 December 2015, at 23°26′14″N is 36,788 kilometres (22,859 mi).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Cancer#cite_note-3).B) Length of the Tropic of Capricorn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Capricorn), on 11 June 2015, at 23°26′14″S is 36,788 kilometres (22,859 mi).[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Capricorn#cite_note-5).C) Please explain how flat-earthers can reconcile the identical lengths of these two lines of latitude on their "flat" earth..
This thread (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/fascinating-flat-earth-map/) discusses one flat map, the transverse equatorial aspect of the azimuthal equidistant projection, that does have the same lengths for the tropics..Two months later and still no answer.
Maybe because flat-earthdom syndromers don't have an answer!
This thread (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/fascinating-flat-earth-map/) discusses one flat map, the transverse equatorial aspect of the azimuthal equidistant projection, that does have the same lengths for the tropics..
As given, however, that map would have problems with other things. Eclipses are not explained any better, nor that the same side of the moon is visible from everywhere on earth.
But one could take everything that works in the standard system and transform it to a flat earth, changing the geometry for physics as well (so light bends along the new geometry). Still observationally equivalent, right?
.I think I've made my own position quite clear.
You can't be serious.
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You see, the problem is, flat-earthdom syndromers need to come up with ONE MAP that answers all the questions.
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I think I've made my own position quite clear..
However, are you saying that it's impossible to take the standard system, transform geometry so the earth surface is flat, with light bending along the new geometry, and have that work?
What I'm saying is, if you propose the "transverse equatorial aspect of the azimuthal equidistant projection" as your answer to why the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer measure the same in circuмference, then you have to use the "transverse equatorial aspect of the azimuthal equidistant projection" to answer EVERY OTHER QUESTION about the earth's shape, as well.FEers could just take the standard model and transform it to some particular FE map. Any particular map would work. But the transform would need to apply to all aspects geometry and physics - the FE explanations I have seen only go part way.
FEers could just take the standard model and transform it to some particular FE map. Any particular map would work. But the transform would need to apply to all aspects geometry and physics - the FE explanations I have seen only go part way..
.Flat earthers could take the standard model of modern physics and transform it to any particular FE map they want.
Flat-earthdom syndromers don't have any "standard model." In fact, they complain that they don't need any model.
..Flat earthers could take the standard model of modern physics and transform it to any particular FE map they want.