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Title: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: flatearthtrads on July 11, 2017, 03:37:17 PM
Hello all,

One of our members has been posting videos from our youtube channel, as you may have seen.

In an official capacity, we would like to draw your attention to our video just launched a few minutes ago on Father Pfeiffer.

We respond to his attacks on the flat earth.

I hope the Admin of Cathinfo judges this is the right category for this. If not, we have no objection to his moving it.



Here is the video



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Sorry it is not embedded, but first time users seem not to be able to embed videos. Perhaps admin can make an exception?
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on July 11, 2017, 04:05:42 PM
Interesting.

He doesn't get it does he?
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Nooseph Polten on July 11, 2017, 04:11:31 PM
I'm not sure what "slaming" means
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: ManuelChavez on July 11, 2017, 04:12:18 PM
I wrote this comment on YouTube: 

Your video model of the flat earth cannot adequately explain lunar or solar eclipses. There are also issues with the sun's size and movement from sunrise to sunset, as well as seasonal changes, in the flat earth model. While I will not toss the flat earth model outright, I am not convinced of it, either. There are too many uncertainties.

A relatively easy experiment is with the use of a weather type balloon, a camera, a cheap GPS tracker and a few more bits to round up a makeshift "space" camera. One can buy kits online for this experiment.

One thing I will not accept, however, is the notion that the moon gives off its own light, which is a notion also promoted by quite a few of those who espouse the flat earth model.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Paul FHC on July 11, 2017, 04:32:42 PM
Why have sailors for millennia placed a man in the bird's nest, several yards above the deck, thus enabling him to see objects at a great distance, or more recently, the rays of a lighthouse?

I discussed with a proponent of flat earth recently, and after getting him to admit that men's distance of vision should be the same regardless of their altitude, he was not able to explain why sailors utilize raised platforms in order to observe distant objects.

The obvious answer is that the curvature of the earth is sufficient to inhibit a man's visibility to a certain distance where he who stands above is able to see around more of the curvature and therefore has increased visibility.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 11, 2017, 04:35:24 PM
Maybe Fr. Pfeiffer is the only priest around willing to take this on.
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Interesting.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 11, 2017, 05:28:04 PM
I'm not sure what "slaming" means
They misspelled "slamming."
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For flat-earthers (who can't spell?), slamming is what anyone does who disagrees with them, regardless of the evidence they bring into the discussion.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 11, 2017, 05:49:02 PM
I wrote this comment on YouTube:

Your video model of the flat earth cannot adequately explain lunar or solar eclipses. There are also issues with the sun's size and movement from sunrise to sunset, as well as seasonal changes, in the flat earth model. While I will not toss the flat earth model outright, I am not convinced of it, either. There are too many uncertainties.

A relatively easy experiment is with the use of a weather type balloon, a camera, a cheap GPS tracker and a few more bits to round up a makeshift "space" camera. One can buy kits online for this experiment.

One thing I will not accept, however, is the notion that the moon gives off its own light, which is a notion also promoted by quite a few of those who espouse the flat earth model.

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There are issues everywhere you look.
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Take the moon, for example. Every day the moon shows us by its appearance in the sky that the earth is spherical. But flat-earthers refuse to recognize what the moon has to offer as evidence.
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When the moon rises in the east during a full moon phase like we just had this week, the sun is setting in the west, or has just set. As the moon moves upward to astronomical high noon in the sky, it faces us on earth with its entirely illuminated aspect, telling us that the sun is to be found directly opposite the moon on the opposite side of the earth. This direction puts the sun below our feet, not sneaking around and ABOVE the northern horizon as the flat-earthers would have it do.
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As often as they have the opportunity to discuss the fact that at each quarter moon the angle between the sun and moon is less than one-half a degree less than 90 degrees, flat-earthers run away scared or else hurl nonsense epithets in the general direction of anyone who has considered the implications and direct consequences of this consistent marvel.
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And take the reality of total solar eclipses. This phenomenon is so blatant and obvious that all the flat-earthers can say about it is they have no idea what causes them. Oh, so they are PREDICTABLE and HAPPEN AS PREDICTED and have been doing so for hundreds of years -- Christopher Columbus had a chart that showed when an eclipse would occur and used that to convince the ignorant natives of the islands that he knew something they didn't. 
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Flat-earthism cannot predict eclipses, therefore Columbus and his charts were not according to flat-earthism.
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It is a very simple matter to check the distance from earth to moon and earth to sun, and these observations alone prove that the earth is not flat, for the same dimensions are observable from the north pole to the south pole every day of the year.
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The moon's phases are the same to any observer whether he is in northern Alaska or Tierra del Fuego, from Africa to Hawaii and from Australia to Greenland. A quarter moon is a quarter moon from every place on earth all day long, which would be impossible if the moon were only a few thousand miles above the surface of the earth.
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There is utterly no evidence whatsoever to support flat-earthism.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 11, 2017, 06:56:59 PM
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Here is the reply of a patient viewer, Josh Crossley, who has a lot to learn about how disrespectful and hardened flat-earthers can be. They are on a crusade of their own imagination, and they are deeply committed to keeping dug-in to their fantasy. They have no way of explaining what they believe in a broad sense, and they have repeatedly resorted to relying on false premises upon which they build their fantasy illusion in their own minds.
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BTW I tried to remove formatting but this new platform deletes other data and mixes the posts up so I gave up on that plan.
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Josh Crossley (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXTmGoIEAq6We86dWaFX3oA)1 week ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7lDq4dOlIk&lc=z13gz3zi0ku2clubh04cg1342ui5g5xy4wg0k)
Hey guys, your video was respectful in its arguments, so I will do my best to return the sentiment.

I don't have the time to rebut each argument, however I do care to comment on the lighthouse argument. Now, the height at which you observe the horizon will drastically alter the distance at which the curvature of the earth will "hide" far away objects. Your calculation included a viewing distance of zero feet, or the viewpoint of an ant. For a person of around 6 ft tall, the curvature will only hide closer to 110 ft of distance.

Proof is the most important thing to you guys, and luckily I do have some very good DIY proof. Next time you're ever at the beach, lay down flat on your stomach and watch the sun set. As soon as the sun has disappeared, pop up to your feet, and you will have roughy 15min to enjoy the sunset yet again. A demonstration using a cherry picker has displayed that you can watch the sun set continuously for much longer.

My second point is to dispute the data utilized in your analysis of the viewable lighthouse distance. We are all aware that the earth's surface, no matter what shape you believe it to be, is not perfectly even. Mountains are great proof of this. At the beach, the horizon should be more or less horizontal relative to inland areas, but do notice that the water of the ocean does not rise above the entire beach, even during high tides, nor that the shoreline is evenly distanced from the boardwalk at all points. There are inconsistencies in the topographic layout of thee earth here, and whether you FEEL that this could change your hidden horizon distance or not, this is backed by simple calculations. One simply needs to take a surveyor's toolset to the beach and spend an afternoon mapping it.

My last point is this, and I promise I have no intention to be condescending. But within your group of flat earth believers, it would be highly beneficial for some of you to attend college to study physics, or simply learn it at home. Newtonian physics from the 17th century is very easy to grasp for the more mathematically inclined, and given the amount of work and research you've put into these theories, you could learn a decent amount of these Newtonian physics.

Newtonian physics are not the end-all be-all of physics. Einstein's general theory of relativity represents the physical forces and energies on a cosmic scale, while quantum mechanics is a better estimation of tiny atomic forces. While even these more modern theories (QM being the most recent) cannot explain all the phenomena of our universe, they provide amazing representations that have confirmed hypothesis for many decades. Newtonian physics is much older, and while the calculations in no way apply to the cosmic scale or atomic scale, they provide a nearly perfect model of the physical forces we experience on this planet, given our specific mass and density found on most of the planet's surface, which define the calculated gravity (9.81 m/s^2).

Seek this knowledge and you will find your enlightenment. This is the information age, you do not have to pay a college system that you feel is corrupt to learn Newtonian physics. The best part of these physics is that it not only provides specific calculations for how to nearly perfectly predict the outcome of forces and energies upon masses on this planet, but with practice you will begin to see the reason and logic of the calculations. This requires a deeper peak beneath the surface, and may only be accessed, again, by the mathematically inclined.

I have a Bachelor's of Science in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Oklahoma, and I am a 4th year student at the University of Oklahoma College of Dentistry to obtain my doctorate of dental surgery this coming May. This will conclude my 9th year of University education towards my doctorate. What do teeth have to do with this you may ask? They provide many, MANY more applications of physics to determine which material, which design of bridge or crown, how much torque to apply to different areas of the canal to perform root canal treatment.

I made a 35 out of 36 on the ACT and missed no questions on the Math portion of the Exam. I My bachelor's degree included 132 credit hours, and many of them were physics based, including specifically Newtonian Physics I and II, as well as modern physics to learn a bit about Einstein's theories, Quantum mechanics, and a touch of string theory. My math credentials include a perfect score of 5 out of 5 on the AP calculus exam during my senior year of high school, completing Calculus II, III, and IV (up to rocket science), as well as intro to differential equations, which can even better teach one to calculate the forces imposed by this earth on movable objects within or around its orbit.

I've read many publications on physics from various sources, not just from OU. I used many different resources to check them against my University's teachings. I worked as a product engineer manager while simultaneously personally performing the most difficult tasks at my old company, IEC, an HVAC custom design company, for 1.5 years. I've tutored 4 semesters of Newtonian physics to 3 different students, earning them all passing grades after failing to pass without my help in explaining the various phenomena found in physics.

I list my credentials not to brag on myself, especially because a difficult bachelor's degree and a doctorate in a medical discipline do not alone grant me credentials, but I simply wish for you to trust me. If you have any further inquiries I can assure you that I can answer them. Please use me as you're expert of analysis until you or a closer acquaintance investigate this centuries-old science more yourselves.

Please keep an open mind, and I hope you will find peace in the fact that in this case, there is no such grand theory plotting against us civilians. The world is often not as cruel as we may imagine. And keep in mind that Newtonian physics alone proved the theory of a spherical (well, more elliptical, due to it's heavy centripetal forces about it's axis of rotation) earth, and this was in the 17th century during Isaac Newton's lifetime in 17th century England. A conspiracy with 350 years of secrecy is extremely far fetched for me to believe. But of course my mind contains the knowledge I need to assure myself of the certainty of a round earth. I hope to fill your minds with this information as well.

And for any of the younger viewers, worry not about necessary proof always seeming unobtainable, as space exploration vessels will offer trips to civilians within our lifetime. It is here that you may all experience the round earth yourselves. Until then, all you have is your science, and I challenge you to seek true knowledge, and accept that our individual perspectives and understanding of our existence are often not to be trusted. It is only with hard data and measurement, using more reliable methods than pixel counting without physical topography of the area, for example, that we can obtain proof only inside our minds, which we have been gifted to use with boundless potential to envision the world in which we exist. Good luck in your search, and please learn that on occasion, trust in others can be more valuable that trust in oneself. We are a civilization, committed to the good of all men, regardless of what our governments and corporate rulers may desire.

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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: happenby on July 12, 2017, 01:46:28 AM
Interesting.

He doesn't get it does he?
Father Pfeiffer has an opinion.  That's it.  He proves he knows very little about either model in his presentation.  You can tell that a lot of his answers are made up out of thin air.   
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on July 12, 2017, 04:08:52 AM
Why have sailors for millennia placed a man in the bird's nest, several yards above the deck, thus enabling him to see objects at a great distance, or more recently, the rays of a lighthouse?

I discussed with a proponent of flat earth recently, and after getting him to admit that men's distance of vision should be the same regardless of their altitude, he was not able to explain why sailors utilize raised platforms in order to observe distant objects.

The obvious answer is that the curvature of the earth is sufficient to inhibit a man's visibility to a certain distance where he who stands above is able to see around more of the curvature and therefore has increased visibility.


This does not "prove" the curvature at all.

It must be measured against all the evidence showing a manifest lack of curvature.
http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/f9-flat-earth-proofs

Once you can accept this lack of curvature, then, and only then can you proceed to explain why you can see objects further away when you go higher.

It is a circular logic and a system that you will never be able to get out of, if you think that seeing objects further away from higher up can only be explained by a curved earth. The pin to burst that bubble is in the link I gave.

By the way, here is the video above which should be embedded for those who don't want to bother going to youtube.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXAyclp_vwo&lc=z13stlg5jtzzdbejw04cgt2x5paxgtkyxos0k
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on July 12, 2017, 04:21:02 AM
Serious question- those of you who believe in Flat Earth: Do you believe that all of  the pictures from space are fake? If so, what are "they" supposedly to gain by perpetrating this hoax?
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: happenby on July 12, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
Serious question- those of you who believe in Flat Earth: Do you believe that all of  the pictures from space are fake? If so, what are "they" supposedly to gain by perpetrating this hoax?
NASA readily admits their pictures are not actual pictures or photos, but are renderings, cgi images and photoshopped. Yes, all of them.  By NASA's own admission.  Photoshopped images have characteristics when layers are used.  NASA's images often reveal cut and paste overlays.  NASA employees who work on the renderings admit they build images like "The Blue Marble" from 'ribbons of information' or literally paint them themselves. NASA uses green screen technology and harnesses to fake the buoyant astronauts in the ISS.  Here's how they do it:    https://youtu.be/V-Y6CvkEHvc (https://youtu.be/V-Y6CvkEHvc)
What are they to gain for lying?  Well, you know the old saying that lies enslave, right?  This is a monumental lie that permits the perpetrators to rule the world.  It's all about money and control. (Consider NASA's 20 billion dollar yearly budget) They also do it so they can more easily make laws regarding conservation, raise taxes in the name of..., promote fear of aliens, global warming and manufactured divisions between peoples that wind up costing us both financially and spiritually in the name of protecting the scarce resources of an orphan planet.  Ultimately, they use it to hide God.  
    
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: compline on July 12, 2017, 03:39:50 PM
NASA readily admits their pictures are not actual pictures or photos, but are renderings, cgi images and photoshopped. Yes, all of them.  By NASA's own admission.  Photoshopped images have characteristics when layers are used.  NASA's images often reveal cut and paste overlays.  NASA employees who work on the renderings admit they build images like "The Blue Marble" from 'ribbons of information' or literally paint them themselves. NASA uses green screen technology and harnesses to fake the buoyant astronauts in the ISS.  Here's how they do it:    https://youtu.be/V-Y6CvkEHvc (https://youtu.be/V-Y6CvkEHvc)
What are they to gain for lying?  Well, you know the old saying that lies enslave, right?  This is a monumental lie that permits the perpetrators to rule the world.  It's all about money and control. (Consider NASA's 20 billion dollar yearly budget) They also do it so they can more easily make laws regarding conservation, raise taxes in the name of..., promote fear of aliens, global warming and manufactured divisions between peoples that wind up costing us both financially and spiritually in the name of protecting the scarce resources of an orphan planet.  Ultimately, they use it to hide God.  
    
How does a flight from Australia to Chile take only 12 hours if the earth is flat? The plane would need to fly twice the speed of sound to cover the flat earth distance between the two points. The earth is a sphere.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: cathman7 on July 12, 2017, 04:12:45 PM
I could be wrong but I almost get the impression that Flat Earthers are in reality sophisticated trollers. If they are not then I must ask how does any of this relate to the Faith? Why are you so strident in your beliefs?
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: happenby on July 12, 2017, 04:18:49 PM
How does a flight from Australia to Chile take only 12 hours if the earth is flat? The plane would need to fly twice the speed of sound to cover the flat earth distance between the two points. The earth is a sphere.
There is more than one model of the flat earth.  Just because we can't answer all the configuration problems doesn't mean the earth is a ball.  That's like saying, since we can't know how many clouds are in the sky at any one time, there are no clouds.  Flat earthers are humble enough to know what they don't know.  Globers know nothing and still spout 4th grade nonsense they never really understood but fully embraced and never questioned again. The facts proving earth is flat are self evident: There's no curve. Ever. Water doesn't conform to the outside of a sphere. Ships don't disappear behind a "curve". Travel instruments like astrolabes, compasses, light houses and gyroscopes do not work on a curved surface, but are entirely dependant upon level, perpendicular/horizontal or straight lines of sight.  The horizon is always horizontal to upright man and is therefore not an arc. The words sea LEVEL tell us a lot.  Elevation (based on the word level) is measured with instruments that work on a plane, not on a curve.  Sundials are quite flat so the shadow of the passing sun leaves a shadow that determines time of day and they don't work on a curved surface. NASA has lied through their teeth about the spinning, whirling, barreling earth through space.  They lied about going to the moon.  They lie when they use green screens to pretend astronauts are in space.  They lie when they send rockets out sideways (never straight up) and land them in the ocean.  NASA lies about the "planets" which have been proven to be stars, not terra firma worlds.  I've proven this personally with my own P900 camera.  With all the lying indoctrination going on from modern Big Bang atheist scientists, enriching themselves using this lie, its a wonder people continue to put faith in them.  But then, heliocentrism is a religion, proven not by empirical evidence but merely believed by false faith.  Spherical earth belongs exclusively to the pagan heliocentric paradigm.         
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: happenby on July 12, 2017, 04:53:58 PM
I could be wrong but I almost get the impression that Flat Earthers are in reality sophisticated trollers. If they are not then I must ask how does any of this relate to the Faith? Why are you so strident in your beliefs?
The only way to find out whether this is nonsense is to do your homework; study flat earth.  Get to know both sides of the argument.  In the meantime, flat earth is the truth, so it has everything to do with the Faith.  The Church condemned heliocentrism/spherical earth because that model was contrary to scripture.  This was well known during the Galileo Affair.  When science finally cowed the Church into silence and claimed they'd proven earth to be a moving globe, that Galileo was right, the Church has became the butt of jokes.  This put scripture and the Church in the stupid, archaic realm, totally "behind the times" and utterly mistaken. NASA and pagan science has capitalized on this skepticism of the Church, big time.  They own the microphone and speakers when it comes to the science of the world and the cosmos.  And they are gaining incredible power with the money generated by it.  In fact, heliocentric science has so empowered the Big Banger evolutionists, with the masses literally worshiping false science by pouring billions of dollars into false space programs, evolution, fake global warming endeavours, lies about dwindling resources which must necessarily be limited on an orphan planet (to the advantage of those benefiting from pretend scarce resources).  The entire paganization of earth is utterly dependant on heliocentrism/spherical earth.  The big boys running this operation don't call themselves "globalists" for nothing. The sphere itself is the basis for relativity and consequently, for lies.  After all, level isn't level, its curved.  Up isn't up, its out.  West isn't actually west, its relative.  People are upside down to each other on a globe...and yet, we're all said to be standing upright.  Such lies generate new lies and so on. Flat earth has everything to do with the world because God already told us about our world in scripture.  He described it as having a face, with a dome over it that divides the upper waters from the lower waters, that the sun and moon are lights, not worlds, that the earth has a foundation, it is set on pillars and it can never be moved. Denying what God taught in scripture, what the Catholic Fathers taught, what the Church taught, then it becomes clear, this is a matter of faith, and therefore salvation.  If you wonder why someone might lose their soul over this, remember, the world at large has abandoned what the Church taught and embraced pagan science as their religion-choice for facts.  Oh, and just try to tell them the truth!  They'll literally CRUCIFY you.  If it doesn't matter, why do they get so violent?  The fact is, it does matter.  And it is a religion to many, many people. Interestingly, it also turns out that it is also a matter of corporal life and death.  And the Satanic powers-that-be are sitting fat and happy in their Re-Creation of the world ready to scrape in all the rest of the related monies they can before pulling the plug on the economy and/or going to war to bring about their ultimate goal (because we're so overcrowded): depopulation.  
Yep.  Flat earth matters.    
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on July 14, 2017, 03:46:04 AM
How does a flight from Australia to Chile take only 12 hours if the earth is flat? The plane would need to fly twice the speed of sound to cover the flat earth distance between the two points. The earth is a sphere.
Perhaps 12 hours, if those flights exist.
Have a look at this post which is copied from ifers. (International flat earth research society)
http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t97-flights-from-nz-to-a-america
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on July 14, 2017, 03:51:13 AM
I could be wrong but I almost get the impression that Flat Earthers are in reality sophisticated trollers. If they are not then I must ask how does any of this relate to the Faith? Why are you so strident in your beliefs?
The reason we are strident is because it is so obviously flat. There is no visible curvature and we can see objects now over the "horizon" with modern cameras, which we should not see. You just have to do the maths.

Relation to faith?;


"On June 22, the Holy Office formally condemns Galileo for heresy:  

“We say, pronounce, sentence and declare that you, the said Galileo...have rendered yourself in the judgment of this Holy office vehemently suspected of heresy, namely, of having believed and held the doctrine which is false and contrary to the Sacred and Divine Scriptures, that the sun is the center of the world and does not move from east to west and that the earth moves and is not the center of the world...."

And the rest at http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t60-pertinent-quotes-from-fathers-and-tradition




Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on July 14, 2017, 03:53:30 AM
Serious question- those of you who believe in Flat Earth: Do you believe that all of  the pictures from space are fake? If so, what are "they" supposedly to gain by perpetrating this hoax?
Because, as I mentioned just now, it is so obviously not round. Get someone to deny what is front of their face, and you will get them to believe anything after that.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 15, 2017, 09:27:15 PM
I could be wrong but I almost get the impression that Flat Earthers are in reality sophisticated trollers. If they are not then I must ask how does any of this relate to the Faith? Why are you so strident in your beliefs?
Trollers, surely, but sophisticated? Give me a break!
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 15, 2017, 09:39:08 PM
The reason we are strident is because it is so obviously flat. There is no visible curvature and we can see objects now over the "horizon" with modern cameras, which we should not see. You just have to do the maths.
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Do the maths?
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So this means you are willing to measure the angle tomorrow between the moon and the sun until noon on the west coast (or respectively earlier from points west, such as Alaska, Hawaii, Tahiti or Australia)?
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Or do you just say things like "do the maths" when you don't really mean what you say?
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Tomorrow the moon sets at 12:04 pm and the Last Quarter moon occurs at 12:27 pm, UTC-7.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 15, 2017, 09:57:28 PM
Where is the link to the video or audio of Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer talking about this earth topic?
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The only links I can find are those of responses (ridicule videos) to Fr. Pfeiffer.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: JohnAnthonyMarie on July 16, 2017, 08:18:11 AM
I am a sailor, and used to race sailboats.  I have two questions:
1. Myself and another were often the fastest boats in a local racing fleet (typically two to three times faster than the others).  As we would sail away from the rest of the fleet, their boats would slowly disappear below the horizon, first the hull of the boat, then the sails, and finally the masthead.  How is this explained by a flat earth model?
2. There is a race around the world wherein the course followed is commonly understood to be shorter closer to the attic circle.  In the flat earth model, the distance around the edge of the flat earth appears to be significantly greater than following a course closer to the capes.  How is it possible that boats sailing a greater distance closer to the edge of the flat earth are faster that boats sailing a shorter course further away from the edge of the flat earth model?
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: deutschcath on July 16, 2017, 12:42:07 PM
Mr John Anthony Marie,

Boats disappear hull first. This is true, but they remain a the same level. The mast should descend, but does not.

Here is a video illustrating this...

https://youtu.be/IdwIMtz8owI


The answer why they do this is simply because objects get smaller and descend as they go further away, and there must be a point where they "merge" with the sky.

This video gives some good illustrations explaining how this common sense principle works.
No need to watch it all, if you don't want to. Skipping to the pictures will give you an idea of how it works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63bK7AnWNWw
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: JohnAnthonyMarie on July 16, 2017, 02:50:26 PM
In the video, if all the lines are converging, how is it that the boat is immune from this same rate of converging?  I don't understand how all the lines can converge to a single vanishing point, yet the boat somehow does not behave in the same manner.  Sorry, but the explanation lacks proof.

What about my second question?  If the flat earth is like a disk, how come boats sailing the greater distance near the edge of the disk are significantly faster than boats sailing a shorter course further away from the edge?
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: JohnAnthonyMarie on July 16, 2017, 02:57:06 PM
My observation in the first question is that the boats trailing behind don't converge to a vanishing point, but rather appear to sink into the horizon.  The same observation can be seen in greater detail with binoculars, I can actually see the trailing boats become obscured by the horizon line yet still see details of the masthead.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: deutschcath on July 17, 2017, 10:33:12 AM
Sir,

The whole point is that boat's mast remains at the same relative level. I say relative because it is getting "smaller" as it goes away from you. If it were a globe, the mast would be descending absolutely. This very short video illustrates this even better than the one I posted earlier. The hull disappears because it is the first to be "eaten up" by the convergence.



https://youtu.be/0xWsuFLdgBs



As for your second question; are you talking about the Vendee globe? If you look at the race route, you will see, that while it is advertised as going around the Antartic, in fact it just goes around the capes.

I admit that this is further on a flat earth map. We are not rigidly attached to the maps, and are open to correction.

The whole race could also be faked.

In any case, it is a man made race, as opposed to a God-made flat horizon with no curvature. The latter always trumps.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: JohnAnthonyMarie on July 17, 2017, 11:31:00 AM
As for your second question; are you talking about the Vendee globe? If you look at the race route, you will see, that while it is advertised as going around the Antartic, in fact it just goes around the capes.

I admit that this is further on a flat earth map. We are not rigidly attached to the maps, and are open to correction.

The whole race could also be faked.

In any case, it is a man made race, as opposed to a God-made flat horizon with no curvature. The latter always trumps.
Thanks for your reply.  Regarding the first question, I'm going to agree to disagree with you.  I witness first hand the observations reported and those observations conflict with the explanation you are providing.  For myself, I feel it is ok to disagree in this case.

To the second question, this response is interesting.  The course is to leave all the capes to port, so from a globalist perspective sailing around Antarctica would be the same as sailing sailing around the capes, in other words, the course is the same in either description.

I am glad we agree that sailing a course closer to Antarctica would require covering a greater distance than sailing a course closer to the capes.  I'm going to dismiss the notion that the "whole race could be faked" in that this is pure speculation on your part and I could easily dismiss this topic in the same manner.

The final sentence from you in the quote above is the same as comparing apples and oranges, and really doesn't advance your hypothesis in any way.

I would like to thank you for your reply to my questions.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on July 17, 2017, 11:53:41 AM
I have never given this subject much thought, so please excuse my ignorance. I would like to know where  the flat-earth proponents believe the ends of the flat expanse to be, what they are like, and what happens if someone attempts to go beyond them. 
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: hismajesty on July 17, 2017, 12:09:38 PM
I'll chip in on this one.

First, thanks for actually taking us seriously. Because we are.

The ancients all believed that the earth was covered in a firmament which was solid. St. Augustine believed the dome was solid http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t123-the-dome-is-solid

This means that the dome is at the extremity of the earth, if you keep going over the Antarctic ice, you should meet it.

The NWO know this, which is why they limit the exploration of the south pole with the Antartic treaty. There have been those who tried to go, but have meet met with threats from Navy ships.

There is good reason to think they discovered this with operation fishbowl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fishbowl
where they sent bombs which exploded off the dome. It could have been before this. We don't know for sure, but will find out at the general judgment.

Out of interest, see also this article:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06079b.htm
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on July 17, 2017, 12:55:18 PM
so... you believe we are living in some Bell-jar-like terrarium of sorts, and if we got to the edges we would meet some kind of force-field? ( I am sure this is overly simplified, but I only have decaf this morning.)  :confused:
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: hismajesty on July 17, 2017, 01:37:22 PM
Since I have never been to the dome, I can't say for sure, but did you read the links?

"Forcefield" shows we have been indoctrinated with too much star trek (myself included).
A theory about meteorites is that they are parts of the Dome falling. So it would be more solid, like rock.

Here is the overall view

(http://practicalcounseling.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/ancient-hebrew-view-of-universe.jpg)
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 23, 2017, 11:24:58 PM
"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" Cried Chicken Licken on her way to see the King. (British version)

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A theory about meteorites is that they are parts of the Dome falling.
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It makes a fun children's story.
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Chicken Little

Chicken Little likes to walk in the woods. She likes to look at the trees. She likes to smell the flowers. She likes to listen to the birds singing.
One day while she is walking an acorn falls from a tree, and hits the top of her little head.
- My, oh, my, the sky is falling. I must run and tell the lion about it, - says Chicken Little and begins to run.
She runs and runs. By and by she meets the hen.
- Where are you going? - asks the hen.
- Oh, Henny Penny, the sky is falling and I am going to the lion to tell him about it.
- How do you know it? - asks Henny Penny.
- It hit me on the head, so I know it must be so, - says Chicken Little.
- Let me go with you! - says Henny Penny. - Run, run.
So the two run and run until they meet Ducky Lucky.
- The sky is falling, - says Henny Penny. - We are going to the lion to tell him about it.
- How do you know that? - asks Ducky Lucky.
- It hit Chicken Little on the head, - says Henny Penny.
- May I come with you? - asks Ducky Lucky.
- Come, - says Henny Penny.
So all three of them run on and on until they meet Foxey Loxey.
- Where are you going? - asks Foxey Loxey.
- The sky is falling and we are going to the lion to tell him about it, - says Ducky Lucky.
- Do you know where he lives? - asks the fox.
- I don't, - says Chicken Little.
- I don't, - says Henny Penny.
- I don't, - says Ducky Lucky.
- I do, - says Foxey Loxey. - Come with me and I can show you the way.
He walks on and on until he comes to his den.
- Come right in, - says Foxey Loxey.
They all go in, but they never, never come out again.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 23, 2017, 11:42:48 PM
Chicken Licken - the story.........

http://www.dandelionlearning.co.uk/docuмents/resources/storytelling/fiction_texts/Y1_-_Chicken_Licken.pdf



                                          The Story of Chicken Licken 

Once upon a time there was a little chick called Chicken Licken who lived on a farmyard in the countryside. 
One day, Chicken Licken went to the woods. He stopped by an oak tree. 
Suddenly a tiny acorn dropped from the tree – wheeeeeeeeee! 
And hit Chicken Licken on the head – BONK! 

Unfortunately, Chicken Licken didn’t see the acorn. 
He looked up the clear blue sky. 
“Oh, no!” he said, “The sky is falling, I must tell the king.” 

So he ran and he ran and he ran until he got to the farmyard where he met Henny Penny. 
“What’s the hurry?” clucked Henny Penny. 
“The sky is falling and I’m off to tell the king,” cried Chicken Licken 
“I’d better come too!” clucked Henny Penny 

So Chicken Licken and Henny Penny scurried off to find the king. 
“What’s the hurry?” crowed Cocky Locky. 
“The sky is falling and I’m off to tell the king!” cried Chicken Licken 
“I’d better come too!” crowed Cocky Locky 
So Chicken Licken, Henny Penny and Cocky Locky scurried off to find the king. 

“What’s the hurry?” quacked Ducky Lucky and Drakey Lakey 
“The sky is falling and I’m off to tell the king,” cried Chicken Licken 
“I’d better come too!” quacked Ducky Lucky and Drakey Lakey 
So Chicken Licken, Henny Penny, Cocky Locky, Ducky Lucky and Drakey Lakey scurried off to find the king. 

“What’s the hurry?” honked Goosey Loosey 
“The sky is falling and I’m off to tell the king,” cried Chicken Licken 
“I’d better come too” honked Goosey Loosey 
So Chicken Licken, Henny Penny, Cocky Locky, Ducky Lucky, Drakey Lakey and Goosey Loosey scurried off to find the king. 

“What’s the hurry?” gobbled Turkey Lurkey 
“The sky is falling and I’m off to tell the king,” cried Chicken Licken 
“I’d better come too!” gobbled Turkey Lurkey 
So Chicken Licken, Henny Penny, Cocky Locky, Ducky Lucky, Drakey Lakey, Goosey Loosey and Turkey Lurky scurried off to find the king. 

“What’s the hurry?” snapped Foxy Loxy. 
“The sky is falling and I’m off to tell the king!” cried Chicken Licken. 
“Follow me, my feathery friends, I can help you find the king,” smiled Foxy Loxy. 
So, Chicken Licken, Henny Penny, Cocky Locky, Ducky Lucky, Draky Lakey, Goosey Loosey and Turkey Lurky followed Foxy Loxy deeper into the forest. 

Foxy Loxy was just getting ready to gobble up the feathery friends when suddenly a tiny acorn dropped from the tree – wheeeeeeeeee! 
And hit Foxy Loxy on the head – BONK! 
Luckily, Foxy Loxy didn’t see the acorn. 
He looked up the clear blue sky. 
“Oh, no!” he said, “The sky is falling, I must tell the king.” 
Foxy Loxy ran off and was never seen again. 

Everyone looked at Chicken Licken. 
“Are you sure the sky fell on your head?” they said. 
“Well, maybe it was an acorn,” said Chicken Licken! 
And they chased him all the way home to the farmyard.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 23, 2017, 11:55:25 PM

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Here is the overall view


(http://www.chickenlicken.co.za/content/img/logo.png)
                       SOUL FOOD

Botswana or South Africa: take your pick.

(http://www.chickenlicken.co.za/content/img/home_products/Secret-menu.png)

(http://www.chickenlicken.co.za/content/img/stores/mach2.jpg)

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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: JohnAnthonyMarie on July 24, 2017, 12:42:00 AM
Yesterday evening, the International Space Station was visible in Southern California from 2119 to 2126.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: cassini on July 24, 2017, 12:28:14 PM
Yesterday evening, the International Space Station was visible in Southern California from 2119 to 2126.

There are no space stations in flat-earth land or sky. They are all tricks and illusions to get people to believe in a global earth.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: TomGubbinsKimmage on July 24, 2017, 03:10:58 PM
Thanks Cassini for answering on our behalf!

ISS is most likely a blimp with some kind of hologram. Satellites seem to be blimps anyway.

Here is the proof, a satellite with a baloon attached. BUSTED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H1Oxjfa5_M
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: JohnAnthonyMarie on July 25, 2017, 08:06:03 PM
Use a telescope, the ISS is pretty easy to verify with your own eye.  

Tonight in Southern California, you can view the ISS from 2018 to 2026.

This topic should be quarantined into a sub-forum like the other silly topics
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 25, 2017, 08:20:34 PM
Use a telescope, the ISS is pretty easy to verify with your own eye.  

Tonight in Southern California, you can view the ISS from 2018 to 2026.

This topic should be quarantined into a sub-forum like the other silly topics
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Haven't you ever heard of holographic projections? They do this trick at Disneyland every day, to make it look like cartoons are happening right there in the misty air above a man-made lake (which is a fake lake).
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So, maybe the moon is really an illusion, too!
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Or, the light of the moon comes from inside of it, just to fool everyone. Whatever floats your boat.
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Have you ever considered the possibility that your commercially manufactured telescope contains a fake image inside of it, installed at the factory, that makes the ISS appear as if it is in the sky? Huh?
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It's all a conspiracy, after all, so you will believe the globalist agenda!!
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: JohnAnthonyMarie on July 25, 2017, 08:41:08 PM
Thanks Neil, there I was, awash in the illusions of the puppet master, my mind chained to his deception, then, by grace these brave soldiers of truth, against all odds, are here to save me.  I am so very fortunate.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 25, 2017, 08:44:13 PM
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How many flat-earthers were alive and paying attention when the space shuttle Colombia broke up upon re-entry and the fractured debris spilled across the sky covering several western states for all to see in broad daylight?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxXr86aIRwA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oBTzbKx0jo
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: JohnAnthonyMarie on July 25, 2017, 09:02:30 PM
https://youtu.be/vvbN-cWe0A0
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 25, 2017, 10:32:37 PM
Thanks Neil, there I was, awash in the illusions of the puppet master, my mind chained to his deception, then, by grace these brave soldiers of truth, against all odds, are here to save me.  I am so very fortunate.
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You're welcome. We should all be grateful for the valiant guardians of their own subjective reality.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on July 27, 2017, 01:15:52 PM
I think you flat-Earther's might be trolls who tired of harassing Mormons with the meme regarding the workings of magnets and have set up shop here on CI.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: OHCA on July 29, 2017, 01:38:22 PM
Trollers, surely, but sophisticated? Give me a break!
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Flat-earthers--sophisticated?   :laugh1:
They're the ones in the trailer park who describe the tornado that just roared through scattering early-nineties Mustang GT parts and plastic swimming pools as sounding like the time the aliens landed on their roof and oblige the reporters with sound imitations.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2017, 05:27:58 PM
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How many flat-earthers were alive and paying attention when the space shuttle Colombia broke up upon re-entry and the fractured debris spilled across the sky covering several western states for all to see in broad daylight?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxXr86aIRwA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oBTzbKx0jo
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Apparently flat-earthers feel really uncomfortable answering questions about shuttle Colombia.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2017, 05:33:30 PM
I think you flat-earthers might be trolls who tired of harassing Mormons with the meme regarding the workings of magnets and have set up shop here on CI.
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Good assessment, 1st Mansion Tenant. Trolls or termites, take your pick.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: happenby on August 24, 2017, 06:46:20 PM
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Good assessment, 1st Mansion Tenant. Trolls or termites, take your pick.
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Some Baal earthers do troll without discernment of any kind. 
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on August 24, 2017, 06:52:20 PM
Cat couldn't spare literally 2m to talk me off of the Sede "ledge"... (because he's got worse than nothin')
... flat earth? "C'mon! C'mon! Puttem up! Lemme attem!"

When Credulity Collides.

Just remember, he's in union with the "pope", but not his "papacy"

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: zea mays on August 24, 2017, 08:08:30 PM
what i need to know is if there is only one turtle, or if its turtles all the way down.

Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on August 24, 2017, 08:48:48 PM
what i need to know is if there is only one turtle, or if its turtles all the way down.
Where do the poops go? Got me a little worried...
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: zea mays on August 24, 2017, 08:59:43 PM
Where do the poops go? Got me a little worried...
asteroid belt. duh.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2017, 09:10:37 PM
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Apparently flat-earthers feel really uncomfortable answering questions about shuttle Colombia.
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Still no replies about shuttle Columbia from the flat-earthers.
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True to character, they'd like to say it was a "HOAX by NASA" but there's simply too much evidence to the contrary.
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As much as they like egg on their faces, they don't want to stir up too much opposition.
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They have to choose their battles. And they don't choose this one.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on August 24, 2017, 09:14:21 PM
asteroid belt. duh.
but if there's gravity... or are they stapled together?
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: zea mays on August 24, 2017, 10:07:26 PM
but if there's gravity... or are they stapled together?
im sorry but the poop belt is not up for debate.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: zea mays on August 24, 2017, 10:12:33 PM
OMG, challenger, i knew it!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY5lB3eh3NI
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on August 24, 2017, 10:20:07 PM
im sorry but the poop belt is not up for debate.
Science is mean.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 25, 2017, 03:35:26 AM
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Apparently flat-earthers feel really uncomfortable answering questions about shuttle Colombia.
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I guessed right. No answers from flat tards. Non sequiturs don't qualify.
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By the way, why has no one been able to provide a recording or a script or anything showing Fr. Pfeiffer's slaming (slamming?) Flat Earth? 
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What did Fr. Pfeiffer say to get you flat-tards so worked up with your panties in a bunch?
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: happenby on August 25, 2017, 04:47:15 PM
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I guessed right. No answers from flat tards. Non sequiturs don't qualify.
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By the way, why has no one been able to provide a recording or a script or anything showing Fr. Pfeiffer's slaming (slamming?) Flat Earth?
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What did Fr. Pfeiffer say to get you flat-tards so worked up with your panties in a bunch?
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It's a long story, you're not up to it. The shuttle columbia is nothing more than a glorified air plane. Nuff said.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 25, 2017, 06:05:58 PM
It's a long story, you're not up to it. The shuttle columbia is nothing more than a glorified air plane. Nuff said.
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More fake nonsense from flat-earthers who don't know how to open their eyes and look.
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What did Fr. Pfeiffer say that got flat-earthers so panty-bunched-up?
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No post in this thread ever had a thing about what Fr. said. So it must have been unmentionable.
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Or perhaps far to embarrassing for flat-earthers, who are already very embarrassed. 
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So nothing on shuttle Colombia, and nothing on Fr. Pfeiffer. That speaks volumes. Just denial. More volumes.
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The evidence against you clowns is piling up to the sky.  ;D 
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on August 25, 2017, 06:39:10 PM
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More fake nonsense from flat-earthers who don't know how to open their eyes and look.
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What did Fr. Pfeiffer say that got flat-earthers so panty-bunched-up?
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No post in this thread ever had a thing about what Fr. said. So it must have been unmentionable.
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Or perhaps far to embarrassing for flat-earthers, who are already very embarrassed.
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So nothing on shuttle Colombia, and nothing on Fr. Pfeiffer. That speaks volumes. Just denial. More volumes.
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The evidence against you clowns is piling up to the sky.  ;D
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No offense guy, but I'm starting to think the only reason this thread still has a pulse is because you keep shooting the juice to it.

Clever. One of them posing as one of them to keep us from THE TRUTH.

You're all in on it.

" :o"

Neil is really a flat-earth op posing as someone who denies flat earthism while getting NASA to foot the bill.

Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: happenby on August 26, 2017, 12:17:10 PM
Scripture on flat earth...

According to the Bible, we live in a self-contained, three-tiered system {Heaven, Earth, Underworld}:

Job 1:7-8; 2:2-3; 37:12; 38:30-34; Gen. 28:12-17; Ex. 20:4; Num. 16:31-33; Deut. 5:8; 1 Sam. 28:13-14; 1 Chron. 29:11; 2 Chron. 6:4; Psa. 46:8-10; 113:6; 119:19; Isa. 14:9-11; 51:13-14; Joel 2:30; Amos 9:2; Luke 10:15; 16:19-31; Acts 2:19; Phil. 2:10; 1 Pet. 3:18-20; 2 Pet. 2:4-5; Jude 6; Rev. 5:3, 13; 9:1-11; 20:14

There is a solid firmament (dome/vault) over us:

Job 22:14; 37:18; Gen. 1:6-8, 20; Ex. 24:10; Psa. 104:2; Prov. 8:27-28; Isa. 40:21-22; 45:12; 66:1; Jer. 10:12; 51:15; Ezek. 1:22-26; Amos 9:6

God's throne sits above the heavens (waters):

Job 9:8; 22:14; 37:18; Deut. 26:15; Psa. 11:4; 29:3, 10; 33:13; 103:19; 104:2-3; 148:4; Isa. 40:21-22; 66:1; Jer. 10:12-13; Ezek 1:22-28; 28:2; Amos 9:6

The sun, moon and stars are in the firmament {and the stars shall fall to Earth}:

Gen. 1:14-18; Psa. 19:4-6; Isa. 34:4; Dan. 8:10; Matt. 24:29; Mark 13:25; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev. 6:13-14; 9:1; 12:4

There are “floodgates” (windows) in the firmament:

Gen. 7:11; 8:2; 2 Kings 7:2-19; Mal. 3:10

The Earth is inscribed in a circular (flat) fashion into something with 4 corners and surrounded by water:

Job 11:9; 26:10-11; 37:3; 38:12-18; Gen. 1:1-9; 49:25; Psa. 24:1-2; 72:8; 136:6; Prov. 8:27-29; Isa. 11:12; 13:5; 40:22; 41:8-9; 44:24; Ezek. 7:2; Dan. 4:10-11, Zech. 9:10; Matt. 4:8; 24:31; Rev. 7:1; 20:8

Earth is a geocentric, stationary world set on pillars:

Job 26:11; 38:4-6; Josh. 10:13; Psa. 19:4-6; 75:3; 104:5; Prov. 8:29; Ecc. 1:5; 1 Sam. 2:8; 2 Sam. 22:8; Joel 2:10; Zech. 12:1

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 1 Corinthians 3:19

It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. - Psalm 118:8
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on August 26, 2017, 12:28:51 PM
Scripture on flat earth...

According to the Bible, we live in a self-contained, three-tiered system {Heaven, Earth, Underworld}:

Job 1:7-8; 2:2-3; 37:12; 38:30-34; Gen. 28:12-17; Ex. 20:4; Num. 16:31-33; Deut. 5:8; 1 Sam. 28:13-14; 1 Chron. 29:11; 2 Chron. 6:4; Psa. 46:8-10; 113:6; 119:19; Isa. 14:9-11; 51:13-14; Joel 2:30; Amos 9:2; Luke 10:15; 16:19-31; Acts 2:19; Phil. 2:10; 1 Pet. 3:18-20; 2 Pet. 2:4-5; Jude 6; Rev. 5:3, 13; 9:1-11; 20:14

There is a solid firmament (dome/vault) over us:

Job 22:14; 37:18; Gen. 1:6-8, 20; Ex. 24:10; Psa. 104:2; Prov. 8:27-28; Isa. 40:21-22; 45:12; 66:1; Jer. 10:12; 51:15; Ezek. 1:22-26; Amos 9:6

God's throne sits above the heavens (waters):

Job 9:8; 22:14; 37:18; Deut. 26:15; Psa. 11:4; 29:3, 10; 33:13; 103:19; 104:2-3; 148:4; Isa. 40:21-22; 66:1; Jer. 10:12-13; Ezek 1:22-28; 28:2; Amos 9:6

The sun, moon and stars are in the firmament {and the stars shall fall to Earth}:

Gen. 1:14-18; Psa. 19:4-6; Isa. 34:4; Dan. 8:10; Matt. 24:29; Mark 13:25; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev. 6:13-14; 9:1; 12:4

There are “floodgates” (windows) in the firmament:

Gen. 7:11; 8:2; 2 Kings 7:2-19; Mal. 3:10

The Earth is inscribed in a circular (flat) fashion into something with 4 corners and surrounded by water:

Job 11:9; 26:10-11; 37:3; 38:12-18; Gen. 1:1-9; 49:25; Psa. 24:1-2; 72:8; 136:6; Prov. 8:27-29; Isa. 11:12; 13:5; 40:22; 41:8-9; 44:24; Ezek. 7:2; Dan. 4:10-11, Zech. 9:10; Matt. 4:8; 24:31; Rev. 7:1; 20:8

Earth is a geocentric, stationary world set on pillars:

Job 26:11; 38:4-6; Josh. 10:13; Psa. 19:4-6; 75:3; 104:5; Prov. 8:29; Ecc. 1:5; 1 Sam. 2:8; 2 Sam. 22:8; Joel 2:10; Zech. 12:1

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 1 Corinthians 3:19

It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. - Psalm 118:8
Methods identical to "Pastor Bob's House of Praise and Pancakes."
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Meg on August 26, 2017, 12:34:02 PM
Scripture on flat earth...

According to the Bible, we live in a self-contained, three-tiered system {Heaven, Earth, Underworld}:

Job 1:7-8; 2:2-3; 37:12; 38:30-34; Gen. 28:12-17; Ex. 20:4; Num. 16:31-33; Deut. 5:8; 1 Sam. 28:13-14; 1 Chron. 29:11; 2 Chron. 6:4; Psa. 46:8-10; 113:6; 119:19; Isa. 14:9-11; 51:13-14; Joel 2:30; Amos 9:2; Luke 10:15; 16:19-31; Acts 2:19; Phil. 2:10; 1 Pet. 3:18-20; 2 Pet. 2:4-5; Jude 6; Rev. 5:3, 13; 9:1-11; 20:14

There is a solid firmament (dome/vault) over us:

Job 22:14; 37:18; Gen. 1:6-8, 20; Ex. 24:10; Psa. 104:2; Prov. 8:27-28; Isa. 40:21-22; 45:12; 66:1; Jer. 10:12; 51:15; Ezek. 1:22-26; Amos 9:6

God's throne sits above the heavens (waters):

Job 9:8; 22:14; 37:18; Deut. 26:15; Psa. 11:4; 29:3, 10; 33:13; 103:19; 104:2-3; 148:4; Isa. 40:21-22; 66:1; Jer. 10:12-13; Ezek 1:22-28; 28:2; Amos 9:6

The sun, moon and stars are in the firmament {and the stars shall fall to Earth}:

Gen. 1:14-18; Psa. 19:4-6; Isa. 34:4; Dan. 8:10; Matt. 24:29; Mark 13:25; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev. 6:13-14; 9:1; 12:4

There are “floodgates” (windows) in the firmament:

Gen. 7:11; 8:2; 2 Kings 7:2-19; Mal. 3:10

The Earth is inscribed in a circular (flat) fashion into something with 4 corners and surrounded by water:

Job 11:9; 26:10-11; 37:3; 38:12-18; Gen. 1:1-9; 49:25; Psa. 24:1-2; 72:8; 136:6; Prov. 8:27-29; Isa. 11:12; 13:5; 40:22; 41:8-9; 44:24; Ezek. 7:2; Dan. 4:10-11, Zech. 9:10; Matt. 4:8; 24:31; Rev. 7:1; 20:8

Earth is a geocentric, stationary world set on pillars:

Job 26:11; 38:4-6; Josh. 10:13; Psa. 19:4-6; 75:3; 104:5; Prov. 8:29; Ecc. 1:5; 1 Sam. 2:8; 2 Sam. 22:8; Joel 2:10; Zech. 12:1

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 1 Corinthians 3:19

It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. - Psalm 118:8

It's a good idea to posts the passages from Sacred Scripture, since the globe-earthers who post on these threads don't want to take Scripture into account, regarding the shape of the earth. They prefer to obtain their information from secular sources, like NASA. 
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 26, 2017, 05:22:34 PM
It's a good idea to posts the passages from Sacred Scripture, since the globe-earthers who post on these threads don't want to take Scripture into account, regarding the shape of the earth. They prefer to obtain their information from secular sources, like NASA.
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The Church and the Bible do not require us to disbelieve what we can see with our own eyes.
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The language used in the Bible is not precise when it comes to physical descriptions of our world, and can be understood in various ways.
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Ambiguity is the enemy of the faith as we can see when Vatican II used it to destroy tradition.
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All you have to do is observe the sun and moon every day and you can easily see their movement and appearance do not conform to a "flat-earth" model. 
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When what you read in the Bible conflicts with what you see in the sky, you must be reading the Bible incorrectly.
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That is exactly what flat-earthers are doing. They misunderstand Scripture when they incorrectly interpret flat-earthism there.
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You guys keeping up this charade of "holier-than-thou" mythology only makes you look ridiculous to anyone who is thinking about converting.
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Why would they want to be part of a bunch of nut cases and cretins?
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Ever since Galileo the enemies of the Church have attempted to accuse the Bible and the Church of being wrong, and they've got a lot of followers.
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Their principle contention was heiocentrism, but today, scientists don't adhere to that anymore.
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Even so, the schools still teach it in the classroom.
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This is a big problem they've made for themselves, and you can see it come out when they try to explain the solar eclipse.
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When asked why the moon's shadow moves from west to east, they turn themselves into knots, trying to avoid the problem they've made.
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All they have to say is the sun moves across the sky faster than the moon moves across the sky.
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Simple. That's why the moon's shadow moves from west to east, because the sun is passing up the moon.
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But then they'd have to answer questions about the sun moving in the sky when they said the sun doesn't move.
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If they were honest, all they'd have to say is to think of the earth not moving but the sun moving instead, so you can understand the eclipse.
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But they don't say that, because they still teach heliocentrism.
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They teach heliocentrism but they don't believe heliocentrism. 
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Therein lies the rub, as Shakespeare was wont to say.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on August 26, 2017, 05:27:35 PM
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The Church and the Bible do not require us to disbelieve what we can see with our own eyes.
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The language used in the Bible is not precise when it comes to physical descriptions of our world, and can be understood in various ways.
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Ambiguity is the enemy of the faith as we can see when Vatican II used it to destroy tradition.
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All you have to do is observe the sun and moon every day and you can easily see their movement and appearance do not conform to a "flat-earth" model.
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When what you read in the Bible conflicts with what you see in the sky, you must be reading the Bible incorrectly.
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That is exactly what flat-earthers are doing. They misunderstand Scripture when they incorrectly interpret flat-earthism there.
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You guys keeping up this charade of "holier-than-thou" mythology only makes you look ridiculous to anyone who is thinking about converting.
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Why would they want to be part of a bunch of nut cases and cretins?
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Ever since Galileo the enemies of the Church have attempted to accuse the Bible and the Church of being wrong, and they've got a lot of followers.
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Their principle contention was heiocentrism, but today, scientists don't adhere to that anymore.
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Even so, the schools still teach it in the classroom.
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This is a big problem they've made for themselves, and you can see it come out when they try to explain the solar eclipse.
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When asked why the moon's shadow moves from west to east, they turn themselves into knots, trying to avoid the problem they've made.
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All they have to say is the sun moves across the sky faster than the moon moves across the sky.
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Simple. That's why the moon's shadow moves from west to east, because the sun is passing up the moon.
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But then they'd have to answer questions about the sun moving in the sky when they said the sun doesn't move.
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If they were honest, all they'd have to say is to think of the earth not moving but the sun moving instead, so you can understand the eclipse.
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But they don't say that, because they still teach heliocentrism.
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They teach heliocentrism but they don't believe heliocentrism.
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Therein lies the rub, as Shakespeare was wont to say.
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Non-Catholic, which means "wrong", eisegetic principles at "play".
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 26, 2017, 05:55:51 PM
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There is another thread today about a school in the San Francisco area (San Domenico) removing statues of Jesus, Mary and the saints in order to appear more "inclusive" to those outside the Church (not their term). It is another example of the fear of appearing at odds with popular culture being the basis for going soft on Church doctrine.
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Ironically, when it comes to the shape of the earth, flat-earthers think they are standing up to errors in popular culture to hold fast to the tradition handed down to them by the Church, and all the while, others who recognize the vagueness of Scripture in this area, comparing the reality anyone can see with their eyes, know that we are not required to disbelieve our own eyes and gullibly adopt whatever we're told by a free-lance pundit who likes to quote Scripture even when it's incorrectly interpreted. 
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Saying the earth is a spheroid does not oppose Church doctrine. The Church has never defined what the shape of the earth is. So by prancing about waving your "flat-earthism" flag for all to see you're not defending the Church, you're not doing a good work, you're not helping anyone but the atheists. So you  are actually doing harm to the Church and your are aiding and abetting the enemy. 
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The Church has never required man to believe against his own first-hand experience. We do not have to check our mind with the bursar at the door so as to displace everything we know to be true and adopt a whole new reality in some kind of fantasyland.
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This is exactly what modern-day atheists like Lawrence Krauss keep saying about Christians and "fundamentalists" who believe in God. He disrespects them and says they believe silly and patently false things all over the map, so why would their unshakable faith in God be any different?
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We only give his ilk fodder for their arsenal when we say the "earth is flat" and it's exactly the kind of thing they like to hear.
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Then flat-earthers come out with garbage like the moon is translucent and you can see stars through it, THEREFORE it must not be the moon that obscures the sun's light during a solar eclipse. There was a flat-earther here on CI who said that but now she's been missing for several months. 
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Or they say the sun isn't a "ball of hot gas" but rather it's an electric light with an electrical charge opposite to the moon's charge.
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You're giving Krauss more ammunition, and embarrassing yourself with nonsense like that.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: RoughAshlar on August 26, 2017, 11:05:30 PM
OMG, challenger, i knew it!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY5lB3eh3NI
Nope, freemasons are not behind the Challenger, the global market (and by that I mean the market that sells globes), the propagation of gas powered sun and fake planets.  Have plenty of other cօռspιʀαcιҽs to worry about on top of the pancake breakfasts, fish fries, and fundraisers.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: happenby on August 28, 2017, 01:05:55 PM
Nope, freemasons are not behind the Challenger, the global market (and by that I mean the market that sells globes), the propagation of gas powered sun and fake planets.  Have plenty of other cօռspιʀαcιҽs to worry about on top of the pancake breakfasts, fish fries, and fundraisers.
Prove freemasons are not behind the Challenger, global market, the propagation of gas powered sun and fake planets.  
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 28, 2017, 01:21:44 PM
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Have plenty of other cօռspιʀαcιҽs to worry about on top of the pancake breakfasts, fish fries, and fundraisers.
Prove pancake breakfasts, fish fries and fundraisers are cօռspιʀαcιҽs!
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BTW what did Fr. Pfeiffer say to get the flat-earthers all worked up into a tizzy? 
Nobody ever mentioned what in the world Fr. Pfeiffer said. 
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Maybe he didn't say anything at all!!
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: happenby on August 28, 2017, 01:40:39 PM
Prove pancake breakfasts, fish fries and fundraisers are cօռspιʀαcιҽs!
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BTW what did Fr. Pfeiffer say to get the flat-earthers all worked up into a tizzy?
Nobody ever mentioned what in the world Fr. Pfeiffer said.
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Maybe he didn't say anything at all!!
Wonder away... ;D
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: ultrarigorist on August 28, 2017, 05:03:40 PM
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on August 28, 2017, 05:07:32 PM
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Thanks for the pic. You're likely just going to get dinged with "it's a flat-earth in a snow-globe" or the like.

Regardless, the reminder of the Mother is probably the most effective and edifying thing I've seen this entire thread. Thx again.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
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BTW what did Fr. Pfeiffer say to get the flat-earthers all worked up into a tizzy?
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Wonder away... ;D
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So you don't know, either. Okay. Makes sense.
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You don't know what Fr. Pfeiffer said but whatever it was it must have been bad news for flat-earthers because he isn't one. No doubt he has to face dogmatic sedevacantists too which couldn't be much worse.
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I'm sure he can handle it.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 28, 2017, 08:51:53 PM
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According to Truth is Eternal, she's standing on the "firmament." 
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Of course, how that jibes with the trees and tower and gardens on the ground below and around it, is up for grabs.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 02, 2017, 04:06:53 PM
Prove pancake breakfasts, fish fries and fundraisers are cօռspιʀαcιҽs!
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BTW what did Fr. Pfeiffer say to get the flat-earthers all worked up into a tizzy?
Nobody ever mentioned what in the world Fr. Pfeiffer said.
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Nobody has replied and so everyone has forgotten (or at least wants to forget).
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Fr. Pfeiffer might like to know that he got flat-earthers shaken up for a few minutes, but now they think that everyone is going to forget about why they got shaken up..
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They got so shook up they misspelled slamming.
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Now THAT'S shook up.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Tradplorable on September 02, 2017, 04:30:34 PM

What did Fr. Pfeiffer say that got flat-earthers so panty-bunched-up?
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No post in this thread ever had a thing about what Fr. said. So it must have been unmentionable.
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Or perhaps far to embarrassing for flat-earthers, who are already very embarrassed.
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Why don't you just watch the video??
It's not hard to find and it doesn't say anything very interesting. He just doesn't think the earth is flat. He also thinks the words "globe" and "circle" mean the same thing, which they don't. Duh.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 08, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
Why don't you just watch the video??
It's not hard to find and it doesn't say anything very interesting. He just doesn't think the earth is flat. He also thinks the words "globe" and "circle" mean the same thing, which they don't. Duh.
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So why are you so worked up then? Have something to hide?
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 08, 2017, 10:39:18 PM
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So why are you so worked up then? Have something to hide?
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Of COURSE you have something to hide! Thank you very much.
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You don't provide any material from Fr. Pfeiffer's conference because it destroys your pet false idol.
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https://youtu.be/J5iFYlROlos
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 08, 2017, 11:42:26 PM
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You guys are so transparent it isn't funny.
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Here I was asking again and again for weeks and you would not answer.
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You never did provide the link so I had to take the time to search for it myself, and finally found it....... Now that I've heard Fr. Pfeiffer's conference it becomes obvious why you wouldn't give me the link. You didn't want me to hear him, but you wouldn't admit that either. But it's true because all you had to do was provide the link. So either you didn't HAVE the link (which is very likely because none of you could stomach listening to this two hour long lecture) or if you had it, you didn't want me to have it.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Truth is Eternal on September 08, 2017, 11:45:31 PM
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You guys are so transparent it isn't funny.
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Here I was asking again and again for weeks and you would not answer.
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You never did provide the link so I had to take the time to search for it myself, and finally found it....... Now that I've heard Fr. Pfeiffer's conference it becomes obvious why you wouldn't give me the link. You didn't want me to hear him, but you wouldn't admit that either. But it's true because all you had to do was provide the link. So either you didn't HAVE the link (which is very likely because none of you could stomach listening to this two hour long lecture) or if you had it, you didn't want me to have it.
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We didn't want you to watch Father Pfeiffer spewing the globe earth Freemasonic deception.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Tradplorable on September 09, 2017, 09:23:51 AM
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So why are you so worked up then? Have something to hide?
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Not at all. I'm not at all offended that Fr. Pfeiffer still believes the ball-earth deception like you. Some people are very stubborn.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 09, 2017, 06:51:56 PM
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So you can answer how someone in Australia in this model can see the full moon overhead, then?
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: happenby on September 09, 2017, 07:07:40 PM
We didn't want you to watch Father Pfeiffer spewing the globe earth Freemasonic deception.
ROTFL!
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 10, 2017, 11:57:06 PM
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So you can answer how someone in Australia in this model can see the full moon overhead, then?
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No flat-earther can answer this question, apparently. A simple question that's too dificult?
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What does that say for the competence of flat-earthism? Volumes.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 11, 2017, 12:03:08 AM
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In the most objectionable video, Fr. correctly explains that the sun in the image above (which is a favorite of flat-earthers) cannot illuminate one half of the earth with a pattern that transitions from day to night that is a straight line across the "flat" earth (as it does in observed reality everywhere we look). The "flat-earth" model requires the sun's projection of light to be necessarily circular in pattern as the model he displayed (like the one above) shows.
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The sun's light pattern on the "flat"earth is consequently circular, as shown by the yellow region surrounding it. He then says that the duration of daylight in such a model is always a period of 6 hours, whereas in fact, the length of day varies according to season and position on the earth's surface which contradicts the "flat-earth" model.
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There are numerous contradictions between observed reality and the "flat-earth" model.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Truth is Eternal on September 11, 2017, 12:07:02 AM
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In the most objectionable video, Fr. correctly explains that the sun in the image above (which is a favorite of flat-earthers) cannot illuminate one half of the earth with a pattern that transitions from day to night that is a straight line across the "flat" earth (as it does in observed reality everywhere we look). The "flat-earth" model requires the sun's projection of light to be necessarily circular in pattern as the model he displayed (like the one above) shows.
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The sun's light pattern on the "flat"earth is consequently circular, as shown by the yellow region surrounding it. He then says that the duration of daylight in such a model is always a period of 6 hours, whereas in fact, the length of day varies according to season and position on the earth's surface which contradicts the "flat-earth" model.
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There are numerous contradictions between observed reality and the "flat-earth" model.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvtmzbEgm8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvtmzbEgm8)
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 11, 2017, 12:41:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvtmzbEgm8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvtmzbEgm8)
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Your video has a glaring defect, it doesn't answer my question.
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How does a viewer in Australia see a full moon in the following model?
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Truth is Eternal on September 11, 2017, 12:43:15 AM
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Your video has a glaring defece, it doesn't answer my question.
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How does a viewer in Australia see a full moon in the following model?
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Do you believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s)?

The majority of people on Cathinfo.com who refuse to believe that the earth is flat also do not believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s).
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 11, 2017, 12:46:24 AM
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Your video has a glaring defect, it doesn't answer my question.
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How does a viewer in Australia see a full moon in the following model?
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Can't answer a simple question, eh?  :fryingpan:
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Truth is Eternal on September 11, 2017, 12:49:29 AM
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Can't answer a simple question, eh?  :fryingpan:
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Do you believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s)?

The majority of people on Cathinfo.com who refuse to believe that the earth is flat also do not believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s).
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 11, 2017, 10:45:10 PM
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So you can answer how someone in Australia in this model can see the full moon overhead, then?
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Truth is Eternal on September 11, 2017, 11:05:02 PM

The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 13, 2017, 10:30:02 AM
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"Flat-earth" is not a dogma of the Church.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Meg on September 13, 2017, 10:40:05 AM
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"Flat-earth" is not a dogma of the Church.
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True. Is the globe-earth a dogma of the Church? 
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 13, 2017, 11:55:07 AM
True. Is the globe-earth a dogma of the Church?
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The shape of the earth is not a matter for dogmatic definition. To say whether the earth is flat or spherical is not a proposition regarding faith or morals.
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But flat-earthers act like it's really a matter of life or death.
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All they have to do is look at the moon and think with their mind. 
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Animals can look at the moon and don't conclude anything, and flat-earthers are acting like animals in this regard.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 13, 2017, 12:06:09 PM
True. Is the globe-earth a dogma of the Church?
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The shape of the earth is not a matter for dogmatic definition. To say whether the earth is flat or spherical is not a proposition regarding faith or morals.
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But flat-earthers act like it's really a matter of life or death.
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All they have to do is look at the moon and think with their mind. 
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Animals can look at the moon and don't conclude anything, and flat-earthers are acting like animals in this regard.
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For example, take the post at the top of this page, where Truth is Transitory replies to my post, which asks a question, and his reply does not answer the question but instead Truth is Transitory repeats his off-topic insinuation that flat-earthism is somehow a matter of faith or morals:
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Do you believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s)?

The majority of people on Cathinfo.com who refuse to believe that the earth is flat also do not believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s).
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To increase the impression that he's unqualified to ask such questions, he uses an inappropriate plural possessive apostrophe, and proceeds to pass judgment on the intentions of other members, which causes him to appear very non-Catholic. In fact, he looks more and more like a Mohammedan troll trying to undermine a Catholic forum.
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Mohammedans believe a "flat-earth" is necessary aspect of their false religion, AND they commonly misplace apostrophes like that.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Truth is Eternal on September 13, 2017, 12:22:12 PM
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The shape of the earth is not a matter for dogmatic definition. To say whether the earth is flat or spherical is not a proposition regarding faith or morals.
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But flat-earthers act like it's really a matter of life or death.
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All they have to do is look at the moon and think with their mind.
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Animals can look at the moon and don't conclude anything, and flat-earthers are acting like animals in this regard.
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For example, take the post at the top of this page, where Truth is Transitory replies to my post, which asks a question, and his reply does not answer the question but instead Truth is Transitory repeats his off-topic insinuation that flat-earthism is somehow a matter of faith or morals:
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To increase the impression that he's unqualified to ask such questions, he uses an inappropriate plural possessive apostrophe, and proceeds to pass judgment on the intentions of other members, which causes him to appear very non-Catholic. In fact, he looks more and more like a Mohammedan troll trying to undermine a Catholic forum.
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Mohammedans believe a "flat-earth" is necessary aspect of their false religion, AND they commonly misplace apostrophes like that.
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:incense:  ;D
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 13, 2017, 12:29:10 PM
The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.
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No, the horizon does not appear perfectly flat around the observer regardless of altitude.
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If you don't know what you're looking at, you might be subject to the optical illusion that it's flat all around you, true, but if you know what you're looking at and know what a truly flat horizon looks like, you would see the difference. If you were to stand on the moon's surface, for example, you would see that it does not provide a view to the distance at the horizon as much as the earth does, and if you were to go to a high elevation on the moon, you would see a little further, but you would still not be able to see as far as you can on the earth. Likewise, if you were to stand on the surface of Saturn, for example, you would see even further than you do on the earth, and then you would easily say, "The curvature of the earth is much easier to comprehend now after seeing this."
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Amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage are all recorded on a moving platform that cannot reliably support a level scope and are therefore unable to accurately measure the projection of a level line at 180 degree opposite directions.  It is impossible to determine from such devices whether the horizon appears "flat" as you say.
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The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.
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No, the horizon does not "rise" to the eye level of the observer. You are deceived by your uninformed eye if you think that.
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You need a solid surface like the ground, on which to mount a level scope to measure the level line of the horizon. Without such an instrument you cannot know where the level line projects into the distance. I have done this precise thing atop Mt. Whitney (14,500' el.) and have seen with my own eyes the obvious difference in elevation compared to objects in the distance, in ALL DIRECTIONS. Even nearby mountain peaks are measurably lower in elevation than the top of Mt. Whitney. It is a very informative exercise.
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IOW as I ascended, the horizon stayed fixed and I had to tilt looking down further and further to see it.
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The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
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No, the natural physics of water is to conform to the contours of its container.
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The earth as a giant sphere tilted is not "wobbling" as you say, it is not "hurdling through infinite space" as you say. Earth is not "in fact an extended flat plane" as can be observed in many ways. The fundamental physical property of fluids to conform to their container's contours does not change with a spherical earth. Understanding these physical properties comes with experience and common sense. Flat-earthism does not.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Truth is Eternal on September 13, 2017, 12:43:24 PM
 :incense:  ;D
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 13, 2017, 01:29:54 PM
:incense:  ;D
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Wassa matta, Truth is Transitory, cat got your tongue?
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Truth is Eternal on September 13, 2017, 01:46:56 PM
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Wassa matta, Truth is Transitory, cat got your tongue?
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No. :P
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 13, 2017, 07:13:48 PM
No. :P
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Oh, I see. You're just acting as an animal -- like always.
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Like a dog or a horse, looks at the moon and sees nothing worth thinking about.
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Then its tongue hangs out of its mouth, drool.
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That's what brute animals do: ignore the images they see, while stuck in a material rut of ignorance, like a flat-earther.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Student of Qi on September 13, 2017, 07:44:35 PM
Mr. Neil, it's better some folks just not bother with the moon. Here in Small Town America, plenty of folks can tell you that it makes man and beast ... crazy. Especially so when it's on the rise. Please, show some leniency.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 16, 2017, 11:34:58 PM
Mr. Neil, it's better some folks just not bother with the moon. Here in Small Town America, plenty of folks can tell you that it makes man and beast ... crazy. Especially so when it's on the rise. Please, show some leniency.
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Who's bothering with the moon?
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The moon is no bother to me.
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Here's a great video that shows all the steps so I didn't have to make a video.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgx0Eio2Mg
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 23, 2017, 06:30:53 PM
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How does a viewer in Australia see a full moon in the following model?
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The question flat-earthers cannot answer.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Truth is Eternal on September 23, 2017, 07:29:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64hapIqQGyM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64hapIqQGyM)
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Truth is Eternal on September 23, 2017, 07:29:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF94i5XjT5g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF94i5XjT5g)
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Truth is Eternal on September 23, 2017, 07:31:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoPzFhj_-b4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoPzFhj_-b4)
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 23, 2017, 07:34:09 PM
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Oh, look! Three more nonsense videos! But no answer to the questions. Surprise, surprise! ..... NOT!
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: kiwiboy on September 24, 2017, 08:24:21 AM
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Oh, look! Three more nonsense videos! But no answer to the questions. Surprise, surprise! ..... NOT!
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And more videos for you to ignore so you can make more ad hominem attacks!
BTW how much are you getting paid for these posts? Do you get a commision for the number of posts? Or standard hourly rate?
Do you even get performance reviews by your employers?
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: St Ignatius on September 24, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
And more videos for you to ignore so you can make more ad hominem attacks!
Ad hominem attacks? How so?

If you seriously see it this way, then you're attached to your opinions emotionally rather than intellectually...

You are demanding one of a superior intellect (Neil in this case) to debase himself to a lower standard of learning and reasoning. His opinions are formed by the skills of critical thinking. He judges the merit of something based on the proper use of reason, study and experience.

You on the other hand, have adopted another's opinion strictly by the use of the external senses, reason out the window. The modern motion pictures tend to bypass the faculties of the mind. It, by it's very nature, tends to enforce it's objective on one's will... very dangerous to those without prior objective convictions. I'm not saying that boobtube is always a bad thing, but it IS very dangerous to use as a primary source to form an objective opinion on an important matter.

To sum it up, when a young child enters his first years of elementary training, he is taught by those things which are of a visual nature. As he becomes more mature, those things which are of the visual become less and less... they become more of an aid rather than a necessary tool.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on September 24, 2017, 10:24:05 AM
Ad hominem attacks? How so?

If you seriously see it this way, then you're attached to your opinions emotionally rather than intellectually...

You are demanding one of a superior intellect (Neil in this case) to debase himself to a lower standard of learning and reasoning. His opinions are formed by the skills of critical thinking. He judges the merit of something based on the proper use of reason, study and experience.

You on the other hand, have adopted another's opinion strictly by the use of the external senses, reason out the window. The modern motion pictures tend to bypass the faculties of the mind. It, by it's very nature, tends to enforce it's objective on one's will... very dangerous to those without prior objective convictions. I'm not saying that boobtube is always a bad thing, but it IS very dangerous to use as a primary source to form an objective opinion on an important matter.

To sum it up, when a young child enters his first years of elementary training, he is taught by those things which are of a visual nature. As he becomes more mature, those things which are of the visual become less and less... they become more of an aid rather than a necessary tool.
Isn't it telling that "we've" fallen into thinking that a perpetual bout of "the dozens" = debate or rational discourse, as is indicated by, e.g., one crying "ad hominem!" in response to the equivalent of "yo momma so fat..."?
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Tradplorable on September 24, 2017, 10:31:58 AM

You are demanding one of a superior intellect (Neil in this case) to debase himself to a lower standard of learning and reasoning. His opinions are formed by the skills of critical thinking. He judges the merit of something based on the proper use of reason, study and experience.


:facepalm:
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Meg on September 24, 2017, 10:44:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF94i5XjT5g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF94i5XjT5g)

Maybe the globe earthers can explain how the sun and moon are visible in Yakima, Wa, while the moon is also visible in Australia at the same time. Yakima is at about a 45 degree latitude - quite far north, really. And Australia is about 30 degrees south, below the equator. 
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: St Ignatius on September 24, 2017, 10:47:39 AM
Isn't it telling that "we've" fallen into thinking that a perpetual bout of "the dozens" = debate or rational discourse, as is indicated by, e.g., one crying "ad hominem!" in response to the equivalent of "yo momma so fat..."?
That's hilarious... NOT!

How the culturally debased adopted this "yo momma so fat..." with pride, as a signature of their lowly state of being...

Now it's far worse because it's manifesting itself intellectually within the ranks of the "Remnant."

Have you noticed that they are using the thumbs down option more and more as their weapon of choice to respond?
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Meg on September 24, 2017, 10:52:54 AM
Have you noticed that they are using the thumbs down option more and more as their weapon of choice to respond?
Yes, I am the one using the thumbs down option. It's good that the forum allows it. I'm often being thumbed down in return, but that's okay. I expect that. 
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: St Ignatius on September 24, 2017, 10:54:02 AM
Just look at that!  Before I even had time to go and read my own post... thumbs down! Incredible! 
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Meg on September 24, 2017, 10:55:18 AM
Just look at that!  Before I even had time to go and read my own post... thumbs down! Incredible!

;D
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: St Ignatius on September 24, 2017, 10:56:27 AM
Yes, I am the one using the thumbs down option. It's good that the forum allows it. I'm often being thumbed down in return, but that's okay. I expect that.
That's fine... it's the constant thumbing down without substantive refutation that annoys me... 
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on September 24, 2017, 10:56:55 AM
That's hilarious... NOT!

How the culturally debased adopted this "yo momma so fat..." with pride, as a signature of their lowly state of being...

Now it's far worse because it's manifesting itself intellectually within the ranks of the "Remnant."
Have you noticed that they are using the thumbs down option more and more as their weapon of choice to respond?
While I suspect this to be the case, I can't truly say that I know it; it's the nature of this, minimal to nil accountability, "environment" of anonymity.

The thumbs thing is largely useless, this end at least; it's like voting for the prom queen - an extension of high school.

That said, it renders it of null effect for a thinking person, otherwise it can be like a feeder bar for a chimp that pushes the "correct" combination of buttons.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on September 24, 2017, 10:57:53 AM
That's fine... it's the constant thumbing down without substantive refutation that annoys me...
Right, .*. "... useless... "
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: kiwiboy on September 24, 2017, 12:27:26 PM
Ad hominem attacks? How so?

If you seriously see it this way, then you're attached to your opinions emotionally rather than intellectually...

You are demanding one of a superior intellect (Neil in this case) to debase himself to a lower standard of learning and reasoning. His opinions are formed by the skills of critical thinking. He judges the merit of something based on the proper use of reason, study and experience.

You on the other hand, have adopted another's opinion strictly by the use of the external senses, reason out the window. The modern motion pictures tend to bypass the faculties of the mind. It, by it's very nature, tends to enforce it's objective on one's will... very dangerous to those without prior objective convictions. I'm not saying that boobtube is always a bad thing, but it IS very dangerous to use as a primary source to form an objective opinion on an important matter.

To sum it up, when a young child enters his first years of elementary training, he is taught by those things which are of a visual nature. As he becomes more mature, those things which are of the visual become less and less... they become more of an aid rather than a necessary tool.
Ad hominem attacks? You just called me stupid without providing a shred refutation for the videos on the non curvature of the earth?
How can you claim to be serious?
Technology is a an indifferent medium. If you are Catholic you know that. You yourself are posting on a web forum!
Complaining about the fact that the proofs are in videos is ridiculous because the proofs are visual. You can't do most experiments  by just writing about them. They have to be observed.
So please, just go back to bed if you don't want to engage in serious discussion.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: St Ignatius on September 24, 2017, 12:51:47 PM
Ad hominem attacks? You just called me stupid without providing a shred refutation for the videos on the non curvature of the earth?
How can you claim to be serious?
Technology is a an indifferent medium. If you are Catholic you know that. You yourself are posting on a web forum!
Complaining about the fact that the proofs are in videos is ridiculous because the proofs are visual. You can't do most experiments  by just writing about them. They have to be observed.
So please, just go back to bed if you don't want to engage in serious discussion.
If you want to equate one that analyizes the evidence by properly using the instruments given to him by God to reach a reasonable conclusion to one who's only evidence is the regurgitation of another's opinion per vadum without any thoughtful consideration...  than yes, I'd say that's stupid.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: kiwiboy on September 24, 2017, 01:11:47 PM
Are your posts a joke?

Are you actually reading your own posts before you put them up?

You're just throwing around big words to sound intelligent when in fact you are just talking absolute rubbish.

But so you can't say I didn't respond...

They are perfectly reasonable. Flat earthers and globalists agree on the circuмference of the earth. Approx 25000 miles.

If the earth is a ball there must be a curvature at a fixed mathematical rate. 8 inches per mile squared. This means logically that after a certain point objects should cease to be visible once they have gone beyond a vanishing point. If you can see objects which you know to be at a certain point beyond that vanishing point, then you have completely undermined they hypothesis that this rate of curvature exists.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

The only way you will come to accept this, is to go and do the experiments yourself.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on September 24, 2017, 01:14:52 PM
Are your posts a joke?

Are you actually reading your own posts before you put them up?

You're just throwing around big words to sound intelligent when in fact you are just talking absolute rubbish.

But so you can't say I didn't respond...

They are perfectly reasonable. Flat earthers and globalists agree on the circuмference of the earth. Approx 25000 miles.

If the earth is a ball there must be a curvature at a fixed mathematical rate. 8 inches per mile squared. This means logically that after a certain point objects should cease to be visible once they have gone beyond a vanishing point. If you can see objects which you know to be at a certain point beyond that vanishing point, then you have completely undermined they hypothesis that this rate of curvature exists.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

The only way you will come to accept this, is to go and do the experiments yourself.
The earth is a "ball"? (as in shaped, yes I know you don't mean something to sport with.)
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: St Ignatius on September 24, 2017, 01:30:52 PM
Are your posts a joke?
Guess they could pass as that to the unlearned..
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They are perfectly reasonable. Flat earthers and globalists agree on the circuмference of the earth. Approx 25000 miles.
Thanks but no thanks...

Don't believe in false ecuмenisim... don't start with the "what we have in common" jargon...

Go back to your elders and tell them that we Catholics don't want anything to do with their newfound religion....
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: kiwiboy on September 24, 2017, 02:29:25 PM
Guess they could pass as that to the unlearned..Thanks but no thanks...

Don't believe in false ecuмenisim... don't start with the "what we have in common" jargon...

Go back to your elders and tell them that we Catholics don't want anything to do with their newfound religion....
Glad to see you are exercising humility...

It's not false ecuмenism, it's logic. Perhaps you have not studied that, which is fair enough. But I can see you are not interested in this discussion, so why don't you just leave?
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on September 24, 2017, 02:35:45 PM
Glad to see you are exercising humility...

It's not false ecuмenism, it's logic. Perhaps you have not studied that, which is fair enough. But I can see you are not interested in this discussion, so why don't you just leave?
Maybe he perhaps with most to all others not of your creed, is more interested not having this "discussion" if you can make that distinction, and more with either the persons "having" it leaving, or at least being less intrusive, boorish, obnoxious, honestly and immediately responsive, and keeping it chained in its own yard instead of splattered everywhere like some vomitous drunk's dinner and "Dewars".
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: kiwiboy on September 24, 2017, 02:39:03 PM
Maybe he perhaps with most to all others not of your creed, is more interested not having this "discussion" if you can make that distinction, and more with either the persons "having" it leaving, or at least being less intrusive, boorish, obnoxious, honestly and immediately responsive, and keeping it chained in its own yard instead of splattered everywhere like some vomitous drunk's dinner and "Dewars".
Then stop reading the threads. It's really very easy.

Surely you have enough self discipline to to that?
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on September 24, 2017, 02:42:04 PM
Then stop reading the threads. It's really very easy.

Surely you have enough self discipline to to that?
Which ones? ALL of them?

I've come to the conclusion that you're a lying ass sir.

THEY DON'T STAY CONTAINED TO JUST FE THREADS AND YOU KNOW THAT.
All of you keep you 2D 'Moonie" garbage in it's own can and that will do much to cool things, but we both know that is not how things are done; or do you "...have enough self discipline to (do) that"?
You're full of it.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: St Ignatius on September 24, 2017, 03:20:18 PM
Didn't find your response(s) wanting anything from me... well put, thanks DZ
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: DZ PLEASE on September 24, 2017, 03:23:02 PM
Didn't find your response(s) wanting anything from me... well put, thanks DZ
In hindsight, could have used at least a check on grammar and punctuation, speaking of drunken verbiage but...

 :cheers:

Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 24, 2017, 11:41:49 PM
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Flat-earthers can't deal with the discussion so they resort to bad-mouthing and mundane platitudes.
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There is no question they're upset because they know they've lost the substantive argument.
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The crybably flat-earthers complain without restraint.
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They cannot answer how someone standing in Australia can see a full moon in the diagram.
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(https://s17-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwp.production.patheos.com%2Fblogs%2Ftippling%2Ffiles%2F2017%2F07%2FMap-Sun-Moon-flat-earth.jpeg&sp=6d5a9e66835db3418de4d99a92e739c1)
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They can't answer the question, so they just keep posting silly nonsense videos they grab from the pile at flat-tards forum, using "Australia" for a search term.
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Someone standing in Australia in the diagram, looking up, sees not a full moon but the bottom side of a moon that is dark on the bottom since the sun shines from the side across the map.
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The diagram shows the moon on one side of the earth and the sun on the other side, which produces a full moon phase.
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We never see the moon that way, with a darkened bottom side. The moon is never dark on the bottom, close to earth.
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The moon is dark on one side (left or right) but never on the top or the bottom.
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And whatever the phase of the moon is at a given hour, it is observed in that same phase all over the world, wherever it is visible. 
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That would be impossible with a so-called flat earth model.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2018, 01:51:56 AM
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Flat-earthdom syndrome lost this argument a year ago and they haven't been back.
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Nonetheless, they keep on making the same, monotonous, erroneous statements.
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It's a corporal work of mercy to instruct the ignorant.
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But there is a word for the ignorant who refuse to be instructed.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2018, 02:09:32 AM
Are your posts a joke?

Are you actually reading your own posts before you put them up?

You're just throwing around big words to sound intelligent when in fact you are just talking absolute rubbish.

But so you can't say I didn't respond...

They are perfectly reasonable.
 Flat earthers and globalists agree on the circuмference of the earth. Approx 25000 miles.

If the earth is a ball there must be a curvature at a fixed mathematical rate. 8 inches per mile squared. This means logically that after a certain point objects should cease to be visible once they have gone beyond a vanishing point. If you can see objects which you know to be at a certain point beyond that vanishing point, then you have completely undermined they hypothesis that this rate of curvature exists.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

The only way you will come to accept this, is to go and do the experiments yourself.

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A)  Length of the Tropic of Cancer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Cancer), on 11 December 2015, at 23°26′14″N is 36,788 kilometres (22,859 mi).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Cancer#cite_note-3)
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B)  Length of the Tropic of Capricorn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Capricorn), on 11 June 2015, at 23°26′14″S is 36,788 kilometres (22,859 mi).[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Capricorn#cite_note-5)
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C)  Please explain how flat-earthers can reconcile the identical lengths of these two lines of latitude on their "flat" earth.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: happenby on August 24, 2018, 10:15:59 AM
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A)  Length of the Tropic of Cancer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Cancer), on 11 December 2015, at 23°26′14″N is 36,788 kilometres (22,859 mi).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Cancer#cite_note-3)
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B)  Length of the Tropic of Capricorn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Capricorn), on 11 June 2015, at 23°26′14″S is 36,788 kilometres (22,859 mi).[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Capricorn#cite_note-5)
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C)  Please explain how flat-earthers can reconcile the identical lengths of these two lines of latitude on their "flat" earth.
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All of this has been provided in the interesting flat earth video thread.  
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 30, 2018, 02:50:16 PM
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I believe it would be pretty interesting to see Fr. Pfeiffer face off with "pastor" Doka (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/how-catholicism-is-different-from-protestantism/) in a debate on this topic.
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Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 30, 2018, 02:53:25 PM

All of this has been provided in the interesting flat earth video thread.  

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Like I said, 
"Nonetheless, they keep on making the same, monotonous, erroneous statements."
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 30, 2018, 03:03:38 PM
Of COURSE you have something to hide! Thank you very much.
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You don't provide any material from Fr. Pfeiffer's conference because it destroys your pet false idol.
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https://youtu.be/J5iFYlROlos
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I first asked for a link to the Fr. Pfeiffer video with him defending the spherical earth model against flat-earthers, here (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/father-pfeiffer-slaming-flat-earth-our-response/msg556097/#msg556097). That was July. 15th, 2017. I finally found it 7 weeks later, on Sept. 8th, without any flat-earther ever having provided the link!
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After a few weeks of flat-earthdom syndromers refusing to provide a link to the offending video I finally had to find it myself. So then I watched it; and then I knew why the flat-earthdom syndromers were so secretive and non-responsive.
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The video speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Stanley N on August 31, 2018, 08:26:50 AM
After a few weeks of flat-earthdom syndromers refusing to provide a link to the offending video I finally had to find it myself. So then I watched it; and then I knew why the flat-earthdom syndromers were so secretive and non-responsive.
If FEers really believed it, it must hurt when a geocentrist doesn't buy into FE. But I don't think most FEers really believe it. Some, sure (I think happenby might), but most seem to me either doing it as a mental challenge or debate exercise, or are trolls of some form. 
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 31, 2018, 12:08:53 PM
If FEers really believed it, it must hurt when a geocentrist doesn't buy into FE. But I don't think most FEers really believe it. Some, sure (I think happenby might), but most seem to me either doing it as a mental challenge or debate exercise, or are trolls of some form.
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After watching a number of YouTube videos and reading the comments under them, it has become obvious to me that a large portion of flat-earthers, perhaps a majority, are merely pretending to think the earth is "flat" because it's a fun game they're playing, by posting inane, cryptic or even deceptive messages online, just to see what reactions they'll get.
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They seem to take it as an achievement to post a word or two, maybe a three or four word phrase, but no more than two very short sentences, after which that one post evokes 20 or 30 or more replies most of which are many times longer. They seem to interpret this as having power. It's a kind of blasting cap mentality. One small spark ignites a conflagration. It's just entertainment, at the expense of others who mistakenly take them seriously. There have been a few of them here on CI but they eventually get banned for heresy. Heretics tend to be impressed with a false sense of power or self-importance.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: happenby on September 03, 2018, 12:59:36 PM
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After watching a number of YouTube videos and reading the comments under them, it has become obvious to me that a large portion of flat-earthers, perhaps a majority, are merely pretending to think the earth is "flat" because it's a fun game they're playing, by posting inane, cryptic or even deceptive messages online, just to see what reactions they'll get.
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They seem to take it as an achievement to post a word or two, maybe a three or four word phrase, but no more than two very short sentences, after which that one post evokes 20 or 30 or more replies most of which are many times longer. They seem to interpret this as having power. It's a kind of blasting cap mentality. One small spark ignites a conflagration. It's just entertainment, at the expense of others who mistakenly take them seriously. There have been a few of them here on CI but they eventually get banned for heresy. Heretics tend to be impressed with a false sense of power or self-importance.
Unlike you, we aren't attached to false ideologies.  One day you're a stationary glober defending Robert Sungenis, the next you're a moving glober defending NASA nonsense.  You can't even decide what to believe except you've lost the debate on flat earth and think that holding any line against those who have humiliated you is sufficient.      :fryingpan:
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 04, 2018, 04:39:25 AM
Unlike you, we aren't attached to false ideologies.  One day you're a stationary glober defending Robert Sungenis, the next you're a moving glober defending NASA nonsense.  You can't even decide what to believe except you've lost the debate on flat earth and think that holding any line against those who have humiliated you is sufficient.      :fryingpan:
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Your weak, baseless, monotonous, vacuous nothingness doesn't work here, happenby. You'll have to try a lot harder. Loser.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 07, 2018, 07:30:37 PM
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I believe it would be pretty interesting to see Fr. Pfeiffer face off with "pastor" Doka (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/how-catholicism-is-different-from-protestantism/) in a debate on this topic.
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One week later and nothing has changed.
Kentucky isn't very far from Atlanta (hotbed of Baptists) or New York (Doka's digs).
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Curiously, it was a year ago I had been asking for Fr. Pfeiffer's video, mentioned above, and tomorrow is 1 year to the day after I finally found it online without any flat-earther anywhere having answered the question for nearly two months. 
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They must be really ashamed of the contents of the video to remain so quiet for so long. 
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 25, 2018, 06:23:18 PM
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A)  Length of the Tropic of Cancer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Cancer), on 11 December 2015, at 23°26′14″N is 36,788 kilometres (22,859 mi).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Cancer#cite_note-3)
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B)  Length of the Tropic of Capricorn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Capricorn), on 11 June 2015, at 23°26′14″S is 36,788 kilometres (22,859 mi).[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Capricorn#cite_note-5)
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C)  Please explain how flat-earthers can reconcile the identical lengths of these two lines of latitude on their "flat" earth.
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Two months later and still no answer. 
Maybe because flat-earthdom syndromers don't have an answer!
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Stanley N on October 25, 2018, 07:11:29 PM
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Two months later and still no answer.
Maybe because flat-earthdom syndromers don't have an answer!
This thread (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/fascinating-flat-earth-map/) discusses one flat map, the transverse equatorial aspect of the azimuthal equidistant projection, that does have the same lengths for the tropics.

As given, however, that map would have problems with other things. Eclipses are not explained any better, nor that the same side of the moon is visible from everywhere on earth.

But one could take everything that works in the standard system and transform it to a flat earth, changing the geometry for physics as well (so light bends along the new geometry). Still observationally equivalent, right?
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 28, 2018, 02:53:23 AM
This thread (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/fascinating-flat-earth-map/) discusses one flat map, the transverse equatorial aspect of the azimuthal equidistant projection, that does have the same lengths for the tropics.

As given, however, that map would have problems with other things. Eclipses are not explained any better, nor that the same side of the moon is visible from everywhere on earth.

But one could take everything that works in the standard system and transform it to a flat earth, changing the geometry for physics as well (so light bends along the new geometry). Still observationally equivalent, right?
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You can't be serious. 
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You see, the problem is, flat-earthdom syndromers need to come up with ONE MAP that answers all the questions.
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What part of that do you not understand?
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Stanley N on October 30, 2018, 10:26:14 PM
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You can't be serious.
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You see, the problem is, flat-earthdom syndromers need to come up with ONE MAP that answers all the questions.
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I think I've made my own position quite clear.
However, are you saying that it's impossible to take the standard system, transform geometry so the earth surface is flat, with light bending along the new geometry, and have that work? 
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on November 02, 2018, 11:10:53 AM
I think I've made my own position quite clear.
However, are you saying that it's impossible to take the standard system, transform geometry so the earth surface is flat, with light bending along the new geometry, and have that work?
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What I'm saying is, if you propose the "transverse equatorial aspect of the azimuthal equidistant projection" as your answer to why the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer measure the same in circuмference, then you have to use the "transverse equatorial aspect of the azimuthal equidistant projection" to answer EVERY OTHER QUESTION about the earth's shape, as well. It is dishonest, fake and stupid to jump from one model to another depending on the question asked. And it is dishonest, fake and stupid to claim that you "don't have a model and don't need one" when it becomes impossible to use the same model to answer all the questions. 
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One model, in answer to every question: that's the impossible obstacle flat-earthers have to face, and they HATE it.
Therefore, flat-earthers hate the real world; it conflicts with their subjective fantasy world (which changes form to suit their whims).
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Stanley N on December 02, 2018, 11:54:13 PM
What I'm saying is, if you propose the "transverse equatorial aspect of the azimuthal equidistant projection" as your answer to why the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer measure the same in circuмference, then you have to use the "transverse equatorial aspect of the azimuthal equidistant projection" to answer EVERY OTHER QUESTION about the earth's shape, as well.
FEers could just take the standard model and transform it to some particular FE map. Any particular map would work. But the transform would need to apply to all aspects geometry and physics - the FE explanations I have seen only go part way. 
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 03, 2018, 10:06:50 AM
FEers could just take the standard model and transform it to some particular FE map. Any particular map would work. But the transform would need to apply to all aspects geometry and physics - the FE explanations I have seen only go part way.
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Flat-earthdom syndromers don't have any "standard model." In fact, they complain that they don't need any model.
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Their method is always incomplete because the truth is one, and flat-earthdom syndrome is full of holes.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Stanley N on December 04, 2018, 01:44:08 PM
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Flat-earthdom syndromers don't have any "standard model." In fact, they complain that they don't need any model.
Flat earthers could take the standard model of modern physics and transform it to any particular FE map they want.
Title: Re: Father Pfeiffer slaming Flat Earth, our response
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 08, 2018, 04:42:06 AM
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Flat earthers could take the standard model of modern physics and transform it to any particular FE map they want.
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But then they'd have to AGREE on something, and that's not happening. 
They enjoy the confusion of disagreement WAY too much.