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Offline MariasAnawim

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father JM on Luisa Piccoretta
« on: March 12, 2024, 12:34:20 PM »
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    • I am glad that he made this video as I have heard alot about her and have not been sure since usually it comes from NO catholics. 

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    Re: father JM on Luisa Piccoretta
    « Reply #1 on: March 12, 2024, 12:45:52 PM »
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    • Remember to watch part 1 also.   Truly disturbing stuff.

     
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    Re: father JM on Luisa Piccoretta
    « Reply #2 on: March 12, 2024, 02:12:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on March 12, 2024, 12:45:52 PM
    Remember to watch part 1 also.  Truly disturbing stuff.

    Nota bene, the Part 1 video's title: "NOT FOR CHILDREN. The 'Divine Will' devotion is repulsive, from the ultimate spiritual predator." 



    As troubling though is the explanation the Vatican gave for closing Piccarreta's file. According to La Croix (emphasis added below), 

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    On January 24, Bishop Benoît Bertrand of Mende, president of the French bishops' Episcopal Doctrinal Commission, shared a message from the Dicastery for the Causes of Saints addressed to the bishops of France. The message conveyed the decision to halt the examination of the case of Luisa Piccarreta, initiated in 1994 by the now deceased Italian Archbishop Giovanni Battista Pichierri of Trani.

    Why does the Church reproach this Italian mystic, who has been gaining interest among priests and laypeople in recent years? Bishop Bertrand repeats the arguments put forward by the dicastery, which are of three kinds: theological, Christological, and anthropological. Piccarreta's conception of the divine will "does not leave man the possibility to exercise his free will," it does not incorporate "the primacy of God's merciful and unconditional love," and, finally, there is "little or no mention of the resurrection of Christ," "Christian hope, and ecclesial communion."
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    In 1938, she stopped her writings on the order of her confessor, following the placing of her first three volumes on the Index by the Holy Office that lists publications deemed heretical or contrary to morality.

    Bertrand's quote is misleading as it presents Piccarreta as some sort of neo-Jansenist rather than (as the videos show) as influenced by the demonic. There is no context provided for the 1938 index decision, perhaps because in the eyes of the "Dicastery", anything from 1938 must have been due to pre-aggiornamento rigidity. Thus in this current era of the so-called Springtime of the Church, it's a red light to Piccarreta but a green light to Kowalska. 
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    Re: father JM on Luisa Piccoretta
    « Reply #3 on: March 12, 2024, 02:17:43 PM »
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    • I had never heard of this creepy old hag :trollface:, but Wikipedia has some interesting information about her:


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    In 1926, di Francia was in Trani to open branches of his newly established institutes; he asked Piccareta to write her autobiography. She did this until 1938, with her writings running to thirty-six volumes. She stopped writing after her three first books (L'Orologio della Passione, Nel Regno dellà Divina Volontà et La Regina del Cielo nel regno della Divina Volontà) were added to the Index Librorum Prohibitorum by the Holy Office
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    She wrote 36 volumes???!! :laugh1: I guess the Holy Office decided "three strikes and you're out" (what would that be in Italian? in Latin??!), so they didn't bother to continue reading this garbage after the first three volumes made it onto the Index.
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    Re: father JM on Luisa Piccoretta
    « Reply #4 on: March 12, 2024, 04:56:51 PM »
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    • Latin: ?
    Italian: uno, due, tre, poof! :jester:
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    Re: father JM on Luisa Piccoretta
    « Reply #5 on: March 12, 2024, 05:04:55 PM »
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    • una plaga
    duae plagae
    tres plagae, extrinsecus es! (If you want to add "out OF HERE", that would be "extrinsecus es HINC!!!")

    Alternatively: FORAS ES!!!! (You're out!!)

    (Nadir, you're from Australia. How do you even know what we're talking about? :laugh1: I would use the equivalent cricket analogy, but I know epsilon over delta about cricket. "You got the wickets hit, or something?!")
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    Re: father JM on Luisa Piccoretta
    « Reply #6 on: March 12, 2024, 06:36:49 PM »
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    • I go to Europe on my Italian passport, and I return on my Aussie passport. You know more about cricket than I do, only that it is playing hard ball. :laugh2:
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    Re: father JM on Luisa Piccoretta
    « Reply #7 on: March 13, 2024, 06:56:59 AM »
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    • I tend to ignore all these types of private alleged revelation, limiting myself to those that have clear ecclesiastial approval, e.g. Fatima, and perhaps Mary of Agreda and Anne Catherine Emmerich.  They're best ignored.
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    Re: father JM on Luisa Piccoretta
    « Reply #8 on: March 13, 2024, 06:59:54 AM »
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    • Father Mawdlsey should seek conditional ordination from Archbishop Vigano or Bishop Williamson.
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    Re: father JM on Luisa Piccoretta
    « Reply #9 on: March 13, 2024, 09:25:06 AM »
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    • He's already seen Bishop Williamson- maybe he already has
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    Re: father JM on Luisa Piccoretta
    « Reply #10 on: March 13, 2024, 09:37:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on March 13, 2024, 09:25:06 AM
    He's already seen Bishop Williamson- maybe he already has


    Did he announce this? I know a few weeks ago in a live stream he said he stopped saying Francis in the cannon of the Mass.
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    Re: father JM on Luisa Piccoretta
    « Reply #11 on: March 13, 2024, 09:58:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicChris on March 13, 2024, 09:37:12 AM

    Did he announce this? I know a few weeks ago in a live stream he said he stopped saying Francis in the cannon of the Mass.

    If he's offering Mass, my guess is that he's received conditional ordination, since he did release a video in which he felt there were legitimate positive-doubt concerns about the new rite of episcopal consecration so that even though he was ordained in the Traditional Rite, there were problems due to the bishop who ordained him.
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