That is seriously alarming, especially because these guys are not so eager to run out and give souls  Extreme Unction.
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I think it is frightful that the traditional priests who have gotten so much real estate and money don't go help priests like that.  Why not just make a few phone calls to relatives, get a layperson who has a van and go get these old clergy and bring 'em to safety?

This charity would go a long way.  Not everyone could afford to do this , but some most certainly could. God bless you for taking care of the old priest, Littlerose.

Elizabeth said:

I think it is frightful that the traditional priests who have gotten so much real estate and money don't go help priests like that.

This is why I had to be an Indian-giver, Elizabeth.  You are constantly using this SGG junk in a way that, though I can't read your intentions, makes it seem like you are resentful because of their anti-una-cuм stance.  Your home base being in Cincinnati also leads me to this conclusion.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.  

Abp. Lefebvre, this is a fact and you can look it up, removed sedevacantist priests without giving them any support at all.  

But I don't care about the personal squabbles of these men.  To me they are one and the same.  They do not teach the truth.  I have yet to see any who doesn't hold a heretical position on EENS or NFP.  

I suppose I should try to speak to some of them directly rather than assailing them on the Internet.  They have defended themselves and their heresies before very publicly -- like in Father Cekada's case with NFP and Terri Schiavo -- so I have assumed they are formal heretics.  But perhaps since it has usually been Feeneyites that criticized them before, the Schiavo situation excluded, they saw fit to disregard those criticisms.  

The problem is not that they teach baptism of desire; the problem is that they teach salvation in false religions and through invincible ignorance.  It took me a while to figure out the difference, because these traditional priests put EVERYTHING under the banner of "baptism of desire."  They are only slightly less all-inclusive than Vatican II.

Until they change and repent, giving money to a heretical priest is actually a sin, I think.  cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio of Paul IV says heretics should be deprived of all natural human kindness!  So when you see me acting like what appears to be a monster, just know that it goes against my nature, since I want to be liked just as much as anyone else -- a horrible failing and weakness -- but I'm following my Church.  I cannot support those who are heretics, OR those who support those who are heretics.  

(iii) That all such individuals also shall be held, treated and reputed as such by everyone, of whatsoever status, grade, order, condition or pre-eminence he may be and whatsoever excellence may be his, even Episcopal, Archiepiscopal, Patriarchal and Primatial or other greater Ecclesiastical dignity and even the honour of the Cardinalate, or secular, even the authority of Count, Baron, Marquis, Duke, King or Emperor, and as such must be avoided and must be deprived of the sympathy of all natural kindness.

I have worked hard to figure out the true Catholic doctrine, and believe, that with the help of many on this site and others, as well as from the Popes and the saints, I have put together the magical formula of Catholicism after decades of lies -- no NFP, no sacrilegious una cuм, EENS means that you cannot be saved in false religions after the age of reason, and you cannot be saved by invincible ignorance.

But almost no one seems to care much.  

The exception is my friend Brian.  He was with me doctrinally on almost everything except invincible ignorance, but finally came around to my point of view when I told him about Trent, where it says only those can be saved to whom the merit of Christ's passion is communicated -- clear dogmatic proof you must have explicit faith to be saved.  Instantly, he changed his position, although the day before he did not believe me that something that had been taught by so many theologians was wrong.  ( Trent also says that the idea of implicit faith leads souls to hell, meaning it is heresy, not just error ).

That's how easy it should be.  We should all be searching for the truth, and we should be of one mind when we find it.  Once we are of one mind, we should bring our complaints to the priests.  If they disregard us, rather than supporting them, we should be leaving their filthy dens of heresy in droves.  Supply follows demand; if we DEMAND the truth, someone will stand up and give it to us, or else these guys will starve.  They are leading souls to hell on a massive scale -- it isn't cute.  

Why do you attack Raoul? I think the sedes probably outnumber the non-sedes here so your claim that he doesn't belong is very weak.

You probably have more in common with him than you care to acknowledge.

 Besides that work, a couple years ago I was bringing breakfast to a retired priest who was abandoned by the Church and his only other food was the awful stuff they get from "Meals on Wheels" (lunch & supper.)  A Catholic Charities social worker was getting him into a nursing home but she was doing that the same as for any Catholic.  The nasty part is, from what I understand, the Catholic Church does not have to pay into social security and so these ordained people, nuns and priests, end up without the benefits any other American worker would be getting after years of teaching, counseling, etc.

The Church is exempted from paying gov't services because it is assumed the Church provides those services.  :shocked:

Well, I for one certainly assumed that the Church took care of its retired clergy. When I was a dues-paying member of the diocese I remember putting an extra envelope into the basket every year for the religious's retirement fund. How does the diocese go about "abandoning" an old priest like the one you described above?

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 Besides that work, a couple years ago I was bringing breakfast to a retired priest who was abandoned by the Church and his only other food was the awful stuff they get from "Meals on Wheels" (lunch & supper.)  A Catholic Charities social worker was getting him into a nursing home but she was doing that the same as for any Catholic.  The nasty part is, from what I understand, the Catholic Church does not have to pay into social security and so these ordained people, nuns and priests, end up without the benefits any other American worker would be getting after years of teaching, counseling, etc.

The Church is exempted from paying gov't services because it is assumed the Church provides those services.  :shocked:

Well, I for one certainly assumed that the Church took care of its retired clergy. When I was a dues-paying member of the diocese I remember putting an extra envelope into the basket every year for the religious's retirement fund. How does the diocese go about "abandoning" an old priest like the one you described above?

I never understood it. I was introduced to him by a neighbor who had been looking out for him and realized we were the only two Catholics around. She was an African-American Baptist if she went to church at all.  I think he had  a little dementia or ahlzheimer's going on, possibly from repeated strokes. It was only a matter of a couple of months before he finally got his place in the nursing home.

I felt bad because I know he would be up against even worse anticatholic attitudes in a regular home instead of among neighbors, but there is only so much you can do.  He had family who showed up to clear out his things after he left but like most families they probably had no contact with him, assuming he had "gone into the Church" like we all do, and families are not that close-knit these days, anyway.

Littlerose, this is exactly why a number of priests are afraid to leave the V2 church for Tradition.  They are afraid of this type of abandonment, which is ironic.

An old priest said that his contemporaries were hard-pressed to get Last Rites, which is just awful...if they won't even assist their own, what about the rest of us poor sinners?