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Era of Peace and St John's Apocalypse
« on: September 08, 2006, 06:21:53 PM »
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  • Hello, hello. I was always under the impression from the Church Fathers and Holy Scripture (namely, the Apocalypse) that we are living in the millenium (or at least were pre-vatican II ;) ) and have been ever since the Resurrection and Ascension of our Lord. After this millenium will come the end times where Satan will be let loose upon the world (now? certainly seems like it) and then Christ will return and the Final Judgement will take place. Where, in this scheme of things, is there room for an "era of peace" where all the world or most of it, will be converted? This part of the Fatima message has always confused me... it sounds sort of like the condemned heresy of chiliasm. I'm also going to post this on Fisheaters so I get can more feedback. Any help is appreciated. Thanky.

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    « Reply #1 on: September 08, 2006, 10:25:46 PM »
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    We have indeed been living in a Christian era, but is it the millenium?  According to Revelations (correct me if I'm wrong) the millenium is supposed to come after Jesus' second coming.

    Hmm. But then, if the millenium comes after Jesus' second coming, and then Satan is loosed from the pit to deceive the world for a short time after the millenium (Apoc Chapter 20), then Jesus comes again, destroys Satan, and the Great Judgement occurs? That would be three "comings"... 1) Incarnation 2) "2nd Coming" 3) Third coming whereby Jesus destroys the devil and then judges men's souls.

    That doesn't seem right... or orthodox.



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    « Reply #2 on: September 08, 2006, 10:48:18 PM »
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    I noticed some discrepancies between what I thought and the message of Our Lady of La Salette, which I posted in part above.  I must mull over that and what you pointed out.

    Me too. Let's put on our "mulling caps" and mull together. :)

    I believe in the prophecies of Our Lady of La Salette, Our Lady of Fatima, and all the other approved apparitions of the Blessed Virgin, I just don't understand how everything all fits in together. It would help to have a clearer picture, but ultimately it probably wouldn't matter much... for those who believe without having seen are the most blessed of all.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 08, 2006, 11:00:56 PM »
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  • I believe Millenarianism was condemned by Pope Pius XII and previously: the opinion that the just will reign with Christ a thousand years after the Antichrist. Many of the Church Fathers interpret this "second millenium" to mean the era of the Catholic Church until the end of the world. A few dissenting Fathers held to millenarianism, but agreed the other intepretation is likely correct.
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

    "If the Church were not divine, this

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    « Reply #4 on: September 08, 2006, 11:22:22 PM »
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  • Apocalypse, Chapter 20

    1 And I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit, and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 And he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should no more seduce the nations, till the thousand years be finished. And after that, he must be loosed a little time.

     4 And I saw seats; and they sat upon them; and judgment was given unto them; and the souls of them that were beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and who had not adored the beast nor his image, nor received his character on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead lived not, till the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection. In these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ; and shall reign with him a thousand years.

     7 And when the thousand years shall be finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go forth, and seduce the nations, which are over the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, and shall gather them together to battle, the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 8 And they came upon the breadth of the earth, and encompassed the camp of the saints, and the beloved city. 9 And there came down fire from God out of heaven, and devoured them; and the devil, who seduced them, was cast into the pool of fire and brimstone, where both the beast 10 And the false prophet shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11 And I saw a great white throne, and one sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and heaven fled away, and there was no place found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works. 14 And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

    "If the Church were not divine, this


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    « Reply #5 on: September 08, 2006, 11:25:51 PM »
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  • According to St. Augustine, the last persecution by the devil, with Gog and Magog, is the coming of the Antichrist and the end of the world.
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

    "If the Church were not divine, this

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    « Reply #6 on: September 08, 2006, 11:34:48 PM »
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    Wait a minute.  Have you read what Fr. Kramer said about the messages of Quito, Fatima and Akita?  I found his explanation the best I've ever read.

    I don't know if I've read the precise information you're referencing, but I've read many things by Father Kramer and Father Gruner so it's possible.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 08, 2006, 11:37:27 PM »
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    I believe Millenarianism was condemned by Pope Pius XII and previously: the opinion that the just will reign with Christ a thousand years after the Antichrist. Many of the Church Fathers interpret this "second millenium" to mean the era of the Catholic Church until the end of the world. A few dissenting Fathers held to millenarianism, but agreed the other intepretation is likely correct.

    Thank you for confirming that.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 08, 2006, 11:42:11 PM »
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    I can see it either way.  The last two thousand years being the millenium or yet another thousand to go.  I did notice that Our Lady of La Salette mentioned the three days of darkness, only not in those words.  If that marks the end of God's enemies, then why don't we go to the judgment from there?  I'm confused.

    Yes, this too confuses me very much. At first glance it all seems sort of redundant. But, God's ways are unsearchable, and my mind is puny... I suspect that's where much of the problem lies for me.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 09, 2006, 08:32:24 PM »
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  • Darn, I had that book but gave it away. It was in the little magazine they send to raise funds. Fr. Kramer was in the one before last. Send them an e-mail they will respond.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 11, 2006, 10:18:27 PM »
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  •   The "Siri Theory" gives me hope.  I wish the gentleman who runs the website would hurry up and publish all those important documents he recovered.  But then you need to understand genuine canon law and theology to get at the heart of it all...


     

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