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Offline cassini

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Re: Elvis is BACK!
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2017, 08:53:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: OHCA on October 15, 2017, 10:17:31 PM
    Nothing scandalous? Why wouldn't early programming televise him below the waist in his performances?

    We are talking about the early 1960s here, and what I said was that Elvis never scandalised me or others, boys and girls, of my place and generation. Maybe we were all so innocent then but I never remember anybody interpreting his dancing as anything other than great fun. Thank God for that innocence, it kept our minds clean. Maybe others, like TV, did interpret his dancing as vulgar and it took time to come to terms with it.

    Later, when the music business was corrupted with the Beatles, Rolling stones and others who lived with drugs and promiscuity it tainted the rock and roll of Elvis's time. 

    Elvis said he just moved to the music, just as we rock and rolled to the music, just as Irish dancers move to the music.

    https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2017/1013/912283-alex-collins-baltimore-ravens-irish-dancing/

    Finally, I understand Elvis was a good friend of Fr Bolduc, a onetime superior of the American SSPX. He asked Elvis to help the SSPX district headquarters. Elvis gave them a large donation.  
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    Re: Elvis is BACK!
    « Reply #31 on: October 16, 2017, 09:20:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: GJC on October 16, 2017, 09:07:48 AM
    If you believe he is in purgatory, the prayers need be directed towards you. The servant of Satan died face down with his pajamas around his ankles. Some claim he was reading a pornography book, which I would presume to believe since he was addicted to fornication.
    Certainly didn't die in the odor of sanctity.
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    Once more, before I move on
     I am directing my gaze forward
     In loneliness, I am lifting my hands
     Up to Thee, to whom I flee,
     To whom I, from the deepest bottom of my heart
     Solemnly consecrate altars
     So that, at all times,
     His voice would call me again.
    Thereupon, written deeply inside, the word
     Is blazing like fire: To the unknown God:
     I am his, even if I remained with the hord of the infidels
     Up to this hour:
     I am his – and I feel the ties
     That pull me down in fight
     And, even if I should flee,
     Still would force me into his service.
    I want to know Thee, Unknown One
     Thou, who is reaching deeply into my soul,
     Who is raging through my life like a storm
     Thou Unfathomable One, akin to me!
    I want to know Thee, and serve Thee.

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    Re: Elvis is BACK!
    « Reply #32 on: October 16, 2017, 10:13:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on October 16, 2017, 08:53:09 AM

    Finally, I understand Elvis was a good friend of Fr Bolduc, a onetime superior of the American SSPX. He asked Elvis to help the SSPX district headquarters. Elvis gave them a large donation.  
    Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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    Re: Elvis is BACK!
    « Reply #33 on: October 16, 2017, 10:47:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on October 16, 2017, 08:53:09 AM
    We are talking about the early 1960s here, and what I said was that Elvis never scandalised me or others, boys and girls, of my place and generation. Maybe we were all so innocent then but I never remember anybody interpreting his dancing as anything other than great fun. Thank God for that innocence, it kept our minds clean. Maybe others, like TV, did interpret his dancing as vulgar and it took time to come to terms with it.

    Later, when the music business was corrupted with the Beatles, Rolling stones and others who lived with drugs and promiscuity it tainted the rock and roll of Elvis's time.

    Elvis said he just moved to the music, just as we rock and rolled to the music, just as Irish dancers move to the music.

    https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2017/1013/912283-alex-collins-baltimore-ravens-irish-dancing/

    Finally, I understand Elvis was a good friend of Fr Bolduc, a onetime superior of the American SSPX. He asked Elvis to help the SSPX district headquarters. Elvis gave them a large donation.  

    I agree. I think it best to have a charitable view of Elvis, rather than condemn him, though that might be the minority view here. But then I do believe in BoD.  ;D

    I like the video of the NFL football player (big black guy) who loves Irish dancing. Moving to music isn't necessarily sinful. Even Blessed Jacinta (of Fatima) loved to dance. But of course she eventually gave it up. 

    I think it's good to remind everyone that there was never any scandal regarding Elvis when you were young in the 1960's. 

    That Elvis gave a large donation to the SSPX shows that he at least had great respect for Fr. Bolduc, and he was not adverse to Traditional Catholicism, unlike like most Protestants (and Novus Ordo Catholics).
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    Re: Elvis is BACK!
    « Reply #34 on: October 16, 2017, 10:57:53 AM »
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    • It's this level of rigor that really inspires...
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    Re: Elvis is BACK!
    « Reply #35 on: October 16, 2017, 11:00:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on October 16, 2017, 10:57:53 AM
    It's this level of rigor that really inspires...

    Are you only inspired by rigor, Dizzy?
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    Re: Elvis is BACK!
    « Reply #36 on: October 16, 2017, 11:05:06 AM »
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    • It's this level of rigor...
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    Re: Elvis is BACK!
    « Reply #37 on: October 16, 2017, 11:30:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: GJC on October 16, 2017, 11:19:56 AM
    Meg, here is why you and many many others have been hoodwinked these days...you and many others judge a large donation (allegedly) as good or an indication that he was a good person.... and look past the fact that the man was an adulterer among many other things and lived in constant enmity with God.

    This is a common theme these days..."Oh he/she was such a good person, would give you the shirt off their back, etc... all at the same time lived publicly as a fornicator, adulterer, etc... hater of God and His commands. Any good a person does is of no value if they are not in a state of grace when they preform it.

    ...merely naturally good acts are only a counterfeit of virtue since they are neither permanent nor sufficient for salvation.
    St. Pius X  Editae Saepe

    Well, yes, you may be correct, GJC. I'll concede that. Given that I lived quite a sinful life when I was young, but have since turned around, I have a difficult time condemning others. I'm old now, but my sin is always before me. 

    I do understand what you're saying.
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    Re: Elvis is BACK!
    « Reply #38 on: October 16, 2017, 11:33:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on October 16, 2017, 11:30:17 AM
    ... I have a difficult time condemning others.
    :laugh2:
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    Re: Elvis is BACK!
    « Reply #39 on: October 16, 2017, 11:34:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on October 16, 2017, 11:33:09 AM
    :laugh2:

    Have you yourself led a sinless life, Dizzy? 
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    Re: Elvis is BACK!
    « Reply #40 on: October 16, 2017, 11:55:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on October 16, 2017, 11:33:09 AM
    :laugh2:
    There is an ocean of difference between condemning someone of their past sins and correcting someones current error. 
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    Re: Elvis is BACK!
    « Reply #41 on: October 16, 2017, 12:00:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Carissima on October 16, 2017, 11:55:42 AM
    There is an ocean of difference between condemning someone of their past sins and correcting someones current error.
    With all due miss/ma'am, your point is what exactly?

    More to the point, who's the subject of your point and why?
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    Re: Elvis is BACK!
    « Reply #42 on: October 16, 2017, 12:40:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: GJC on October 16, 2017, 12:03:18 PM
    Absolutely, we all have lived different degrees of sinful lives, and I would argue my degree would be the highest. Glory be to the mercy of God that we are able to still work.

    Are you condemning others or defending God's law?

    Let me ask you, if you told someone who was guilty of 1st degree murder that they would either get the death penalty or 25 years to life in jail would you be condemning them? Would you be judging them?


    I'm only going to respond to the one question you asked..."Are you condemning others or defending God's law?"

    My answer would be that I do defend God's law, but God is the one who has the ability to condemn in an absolute sense. I cannot say for certain that a soul in in Hell, even though it may be the most likely scenario (as in the case of Elvis). God is not going to pay any attention to what we may believe about the state of a particular soul at the time of death. Only He is privy to that knowlege regarding the state of a soul. Only God decides who will go to Hell, Heaven, or Purgatory. It isn't up to us.

    However, a priest has the ability to decide whether to give extreme unction, or forgive sins, etc., when a person is preparing for death. So there is a human judgement involved, of course, at the time of death, or any other time, too. And of course, there are circuмstances when a fallen Catholic may not have a funeral Mass, or be buried in a Catholic cemetery. I certainly believe in that.

    But my understanding is that the Church herself cannot say for certain that a particular soul in in Hell. It may be very likely, but not absolutely certain. Correct me if I'm wrong about that.

    Upholding God's law doesn't give an absolute right to determine that a soul is in fact in Hell. Not in an absolute sense. I could be wrong, of course.
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    Re: Elvis is BACK!
    « Reply #43 on: October 16, 2017, 02:03:47 PM »
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    • The Sacred Congregation of the Propagation of the Faith, under Pope Saint Pius X, in 1907, in answer to a question as to whether Confucius could have been saved, wrote:

     

    “It is not allowed to affirm that Confucius was saved. Christians, when interrogated, must answer that those who die as infidels are damned”.
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Elvis is BACK!
    « Reply #44 on: October 16, 2017, 02:14:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: GJC on October 16, 2017, 09:07:48 AM
    If you believe he is in purgatory, the prayers need be directed towards you. The servant of Satan died face down with his pajamas around his ankles. Some claim he was reading a pornography book, which I would presume to believe since he was addicted to fornication.
    Certainly didn't die in the odor of sanctity.
    Would you please tell me where I will end up after death, o holy prophet of the predestined?
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