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Re: Earth is NOT a celestial body
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2017, 11:21:43 AM »
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  • What an outrageous presumption to make!
    You complain about those of us Catholics who read the Bible literally, yet you "assume" gravity with no evidence for it whatsoever, just so that *you* can adhere to (pun, intended) your globe earth model.
    Think of it: you acknowledge that earth is NOT a celestial body, yet you perform some imaginary mental gymnastics by inventing gravity so that you can maintain this non-celestial body is a ball. It's a breathtaking lapse of logic. Especially when one considers Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
    The flat earth model - Heaven above, waters, Firmament, plane of earth, hell below, waters of the Great Deep, in order - is the simplest, is Biblical, and requires no gravity!

    What is it about this flat-earthism VIRUS that dominates the human brain.

    If I let a cup fall from my hand it falls to the ground.
    The cups NEVER float, fall upwards or sideways, always downwards. We HUMANS CALL the cause of this falling GRAVITY.

    Now you flat earthers can deny this 'gravity' exists, but for me and the rest of us it does.

    Your pathetic attempts to defend a flat earth involves TOTALLY IGNORING the essence of my post and those of others that credits GOD with this CAUSE whatever it is.

    It is like debating with programmed zombies.


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    Re: Earth is NOT a celestial body
    « Reply #16 on: September 14, 2017, 11:35:46 AM »
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  • What is it about this flat-earthism VIRUS that dominates the human brain.

    If I let a cup fall from my hand it falls to the ground.
    The cups NEVER float, fall upwards or sideways, always downwards. We HUMANS CALL the cause of this falling GRAVITY.

    Now you flat earthers can deny this 'gravity' exists, but for me and the rest of us it does.

    Your pathetic attempts to defend a flat earth involves TOTALLY IGNORING the essence of my post and those of others that credits GOD with this CAUSE whatever it is.

    It is like debating with programmed zombies.

    We can see with our own eyes that the earth is not a ball. There's no curve, even when we stand on a high viewpoint. No curve at all. 

    And Scripture says that that there are waters above the firmament, and that the stars are in the firmament. The Ancient Hebrews believed in a flat earth, based on Sacred Scripture. How did your beloved Giovanni Cassini view Sacred Scripture, in this regard? Would Cassini's work have ever gained momentum if not for the Enlightenment and French Revolution? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Earth is NOT a celestial body
    « Reply #17 on: September 14, 2017, 12:00:20 PM »
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  • "All flesh is not the same flesh: but one is the flesh of men, another of beasts, another of birds, another of fishes. And there are bodies celestial, and bodies terrestrial: but, one is the glory of the celestial, and another of the terrestrial. One is the glory of the sun, another the glory of the moon, and another the glory of the stars. For star differeth from star in glory. " I Cor. 15:39-41
    Read St. Thomas Aquinas's commentary on this:
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    there are bodies celestial, as the sun and moon and so on, and there are bodies terrestrial, as fire, water and so on.

    Again, by celestial bodies can be understood contemplatives: our commonwealth is in heaven (Phil 3:20); by the terrestrial the actives, who are occupied with earthly things. Hence it is said to Martha: you are concerned about many things (Luke 10:41).

    Furthermore, by the sun can be understood Christ: but for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise (Mal 4:2); by the moon, the Blessed Virgin: fair as the moon (Song 6:10); by the stars mutually situated, the other saints: the stars from their courses (Judg 5:20).
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    Re: Earth is NOT a celestial body
    « Reply #18 on: September 14, 2017, 12:23:15 PM »
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  • Catholic monk from the 6th century arguing against the pagan notion that earth is a sphere. 

    "What then can be more absurd than the Pagan doctrine that the earth is in the |xvii middle of the universe? Were it in the middle, there must be something below it as well as above it; but there is nothing below it, since we learn from Genesis that God made heaven and earth, and nothing else beyond these. Here then the Pagans are at war with divine Scripture; but, not content with this, they are at war also with common sense itself and the very laws of nature, declaring, as they do, that the earth is a central sphere, and that there are Antipodes, who must be standing head-downward and on whom the rain must fall up." Introduction, Christian Topography, Cosmas Indiocopleustes   

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    Re: Earth is NOT a celestial body
    « Reply #19 on: September 14, 2017, 01:35:31 PM »
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  • Read St. Thomas Aquinas's commentary on this:
    There you have it, even St. Thomas Aquinas says earth is NOT a celestial body. Awesome.
    If earth is not a celestial body, then it is not a ball. Therefore, the entire globalist model of creation (the "solar system") is in ERROR, even if you try to switch places with the earth and sun as in Sungenis/cassini's GC/HC hybrid.
    The earth is NOT a ball.


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    Re: Earth is NOT a celestial body
    « Reply #20 on: September 14, 2017, 01:42:40 PM »
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  • We can see with our own eyes that the earth is not a ball. There's no curve, even when we stand on a high viewpoint. No curve at all.

    And Scripture says that that there are waters above the firmament, and that the stars are in the firmament. The Ancient Hebrews believed in a flat earth, based on Sacred Scripture. How did your beloved Giovanni Cassini view Sacred Scripture, in this regard? Would Cassini's work have ever gained momentum if not for the Enlightenment and French Revolution?

    Oh Meg, oh Meg, how you have been infected by this flat-Earth virus. God made the world so big that no little man or woman, looking even from the highest point can see its curvature. Only if one is about 50,000 feet high will the curvature be pronounced enough to see.
     
     What is all this water here or there got to do with a flat earth or a global Earth. A Global Earth has these same waters above as a flat earth could have. So stop thinking and posting that a flat-earth is the only interpretation of waters above. Nor does it matter WHO once thought the earth was flat, thinking it is and insisting it is does not make it so.
     
     And please do not try to paste Giovanni Domenico Cassini (1625-1712 with the same brush as the heliocentrists Newton and the Freemasons. Cassini was God's astronomer, for God never leaves us ignorant. Cassini was a loyal son of the Catholic Church. He had, we read, the charity and kindness of a saint. His respect for his contemporaries and their work was exemplary, and the modesty of his own reached ‘miraculous proportions.’ His humility caused him to avoid adulation and he presented his findings with the least fuss and sought no personal honours. He, and his son and grandson were the LAST OF THE GREAT CATHOLIC GEOCENTRISTS. 

    Voltare hated Cassini for he falsified the astronomy of Kepler used by Newton to fool the world. Cassini was Rome's surveyor before going to King Louis XIV and providing the astronomy for the priests who converted the far east. He falsified Newton's shape for the earth in the field of goedesy, a science none of you flat-earthers know anything about.He compiled a history of astronomy up to his time. In it he wrote:
     
     "Aristorus, contemporary of Eudoxius (390-337BC), and disciple like him of Plato, used Astronomy to perfect the sciences of physics and geography. By the observations of the astronomers he determined the figure and the size of the Earth. He demonstrated that it was spherical by the roundness of its shadow, which appears on the disc of the Moon during eclipses, and by the unequal height of the meridians that differ as one approaches or goes away from the Poles. ..."

     
     ."Under the reign of this wise Emperor Augustus (63B-14AD), astronomy began to take on a new look. For Ptolemy, who could be called the restorer of this science, took advantage of the lights of those who had gone before, and joined to his own particular observations those of Hipparcus, of Timocharis and of the Babylonians. He made of these a complete body of science of the stars in an excellent book entitled ‘The Great Composition’, which includes theory and tables charting the movements of the Sun, of the Moon, of the other planets, and of the fixed stars. Geography owes as much to him as astronomy for he also made a description of the earthly globe, much more ample and exact than all the others that had been made up until then; having reduced the distances of all the places on Earth to degrees and to minutes, following the method that had been decided upon by Possidonius, he disposed these same places on the geographic tables according to the difference of their longitude and latitude, in the same way that he had following Hipparcus arranged the fixed stars...."

    It seems the GLOBE OF EARTH has been around in astronomy for a long long time.  

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    Re: Earth is NOT a celestial body
    « Reply #21 on: September 14, 2017, 01:47:02 PM »
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  • What is it about this flat-earthism VIRUS that dominates the human brain.

    If I let a cup fall from my hand it falls to the ground.
    The cups NEVER float, fall upwards or sideways, always downwards. We HUMANS CALL the cause of this falling GRAVITY.


    It is like debating with programmed zombies.
    The cup falls from your hand because it weighs more than the air around it, duh. This concept is known as mass/density.
    If it were a balloon filled with a light gas (e.g. helium) it will be carried aloft. This is because it weighs less than the air around it. This concept is known as buoyancy.
    Debating this with you is like debating with a jellyfish.

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    Re: Earth is NOT a celestial body
    « Reply #22 on: September 14, 2017, 01:53:51 PM »
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  • Oh Meg, oh Meg, how you have been infected by this flat-Earth virus. God made the world so big that no little man or woman, looking even from the highest point can see its curvature. Only if one is about 50,000 feet high will the curvature be pronounced enough to see.
     
     What is all this water here or there got to do with a flat earth or a global Earth. A Global Earth has these same waters above as a flat earth could have. So stop thinking and posting that a flat-earth is the only interpretation of waters above. Nor does it matter WHO once thought the earth was flat, thinking it is and insisting it is does not make it so.
     
     And please do not try to paste Giovanni Domenico Cassini (1625-1712 with the same brush as the heliocentrists Newton and the Freemasons. Cassini was God's astronomer, for God never leaves us ignorant. Cassini was a loyal son of the Catholic Church. He had, we read, the charity and kindness of a saint. His respect for his contemporaries and their work was exemplary, and the modesty of his own reached ‘miraculous proportions.’ His humility caused him to avoid adulation and he presented his findings with the least fuss and sought no personal honours. He, and his son and grandson were the LAST OF THE GREAT CATHOLIC GEOCENTRISTS.

    Voltare hated Cassini for he falsified the astronomy of Kepler used by Newton to fool the world. Cassini was Rome's surveyor before going to King Louis XIV and providing the astronomy for the priests who converted the far east. He falsified Newton's shape for the earth in the field of goedesy, a science none of you flat-earthers know anything about.He compiled a history of astronomy up to his time. In it he wrote:

     "Aristorus, contemporary of Eudoxius (390-337BC), and disciple like him of Plato, used Astronomy to perfect the sciences of physics and geography. By the observations of the astronomers he determined the figure and the size of the Earth. He demonstrated that it was spherical by the roundness of its shadow, which appears on the disc of the Moon during eclipses, and by the unequal height of the meridians that differ as one approaches or goes away from the Poles. ..."

     
     ."Under the reign of this wise Emperor Augustus (63B-14AD), astronomy began to take on a new look. For Ptolemy, who could be called the restorer of this science, took advantage of the lights of those who had gone before, and joined to his own particular observations those of Hipparcus, of Timocharis and of the Babylonians. He made of these a complete body of science of the stars in an excellent book entitled ‘The Great Composition’, which includes theory and tables charting the movements of the Sun, of the Moon, of the other planets, and of the fixed stars. Geography owes as much to him as astronomy for he also made a description of the earthly globe, much more ample and exact than all the others that had been made up until then; having reduced the distances of all the places on Earth to degrees and to minutes, following the method that had been decided upon by Possidonius, he disposed these same places on the geographic tables according to the difference of their longitude and latitude, in the same way that he had following Hipparcus arranged the fixed stars...."

    It seems the GLOBE OF EARTH has been around in astronomy for a long long time.  

    I did not try to paint Cassini with the same brush as Newton and freemasons. And you did not  directly answer my question about Cassini's work as gaining momentum because of the Enlightenment and French revolution. Do you deny that his work gained momentum because the Enlightenment and French revolution?

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Earth is NOT a celestial body
    « Reply #23 on: September 14, 2017, 03:35:48 PM »
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  • The cup falls from your hand because it weighs more than the air around it, duh. This concept is known as mass/density.
    If it were a balloon filled with a light gas (e.g. helium) it will be carried aloft. This is because it weighs less than the air around it. This concept is known as buoyancy.
    Debating this with you is like debating with a jellyfish.

    Oh, is that why you give jellyfish replies?

    What is it about you guys and the term GRAVITY.. You first deny it and then offer a CAUSE for it. Oh by the way, your MASS/density is pure Newtonian theory for gravity..

    Now answer this jellyfish.  If I drop a cup and a feather, both land at the same time. Where does Mass/Density come in here?

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    Re: Earth is NOT a celestial body
    « Reply #24 on: September 14, 2017, 03:49:18 PM »
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  • What is it about this flat-earthism VIRUS that dominates the human brain.

    If I let a cup fall from my hand it falls to the ground.
    The cups NEVER float, fall upwards or sideways, always downwards. We HUMANS CALL the cause of this falling GRAVITY.

    Now you flat earthers can deny this 'gravity' exists, but for me and the rest of us it does.

    Your pathetic attempts to defend a flat earth involves TOTALLY IGNORING the essence of my post and those of others that credits GOD with this CAUSE whatever it is.

    It is like debating with programmed zombies.
    Ha ha, this shows the level of incomprehension we are dealing with. Because stuff falls to earth that means there's gravity. Lol!

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    Re: Earth is NOT a celestial body
    « Reply #25 on: September 14, 2017, 03:51:07 PM »
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  • I did not try to paint Cassini with the same brush as Newton and freemasons. And you did not  directly answer my question about Cassini's work as gaining momentum because of the Enlightenment and French revolution. Do you deny that his work gained momentum because the Enlightenment and French revolution?

    Domenico Cassini's anti-heliocentric work has been totally ignored since the enlightenment and the French revolution. Worse than that, he is now portrayed as a hiding heliopcentrist.
     
    ‘Cassini was renowned for his skills as an observational astronomer, which led him to many important discoveries. He was also extremely conservative in his approach to the more theoretical aspects of astronomy, and this conservatism led him frequently to propound the incorrect view. He refused to accept the Copernican cosmological model and rejected the concept of a finite speed of light (although its proof was demonstrated by Olaus Rōmer using Cassini’s own data; it is likely that Cassini considered the possibility even prior to Rōmer’s work). He also opposed a theory of universal gravitation and insisted (despite critical disagreement by Christian Huygens and Isaac Newton) that the Earth was flattened at the equator rather than at the poles. Despite these errors in judgement Cassini earned a well-deserved reputation as one of the finest astronomers of his day.[1]

    [1]David Abbot: Astronomers, The Biographical Dictionary of Scientists, 1984, pp.34-35.

    ‘For instance, there was the case of the Italian astronomer Giovanni Domenico Cassini. When Cassini was appointed lecturer in astronomy at the University of Bologna, in 1650, he found that he had to teach the Ptolemaic system, though by then it was also permissible to teach Copernicanism as a hypothesis. Not, of course, that Cassini had any doubts about the truth of the matter. He was an expert observer, and it was he who made the first reasonably accurate measurement of the distance between the Earth and the Sun. The fact that men such as Cassini could talk openly about the movement of the Earth – and in Italy, less than ten years after Galileo’s death – is an indication that the scientific influence of the Church was very much on the downgrade.’[1]

    [1]Patrick Moore: Watchers of the Stars, Michael Joseph Books, 1974, p.125.

    ‘Giovanni Cassini was an astronomer of the 17th century. He found several new moons going around Saturn while working for his immovable pope. By combining the data from St Peter’s meridian with his own telescopic observations he was able to predict accurate orbits for Mars and Venus. He had used mathematical techniques that assumed the planets and the Earth were moving in elliptical orbits about the sun. But he never dared to give an opinion on the Earth’s immobility. Perhaps he didn’t want to have to make a public confession of his errors.’[1]

    [1]Robert Lomas: The Invisible College, Headline, 2002, p.19.

    BULL. Note Lomas, the author of above piece of revisionism, has Cassini working for ‘his immovable pope,’. Then he has Cassini moving the Earth with ‘elliptical orbits’ if we don’t mind. 


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    Re: Earth is NOT a celestial body
    « Reply #26 on: September 14, 2017, 03:51:43 PM »
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  • If I drop a cup and a feather, both land at the same time.
    ?
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    « Reply #27 on: September 14, 2017, 04:13:54 PM »
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  • No because the feather will be affected by resistance to the air. However, if feathers are bundled to weigh the same as the cup, they will fall at the same time. Weight depends on density, buoyancy and air resistance. 

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    Re: Earth is NOT a celestial body
    « Reply #28 on: September 14, 2017, 05:09:06 PM »
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  • Domenico Cassini's anti-heliocentric work has been totally ignored since the enlightenment and the French revolution. Worse than that, he is now portrayed as a hiding heliopcentrist.
     
    ‘Cassini was renowned for his skills as an observational astronomer, which led him to many important discoveries. He was also extremely conservative in his approach to the more theoretical aspects of astronomy, and this conservatism led him frequently to propound the incorrect view. He refused to accept the Copernican cosmological model and rejected the concept of a finite speed of light (although its proof was demonstrated by Olaus Rōmer using Cassini’s own data; it is likely that Cassini considered the possibility even prior to Rōmer’s work). He also opposed a theory of universal gravitation and insisted (despite critical disagreement by Christian Huygens and Isaac Newton) that the Earth was flattened at the equator rather than at the poles. Despite these errors in judgement Cassini earned a well-deserved reputation as one of the finest astronomers of his day.[1]

    [1]David Abbot: Astronomers, The Biographical Dictionary of Scientists, 1984, pp.34-35.

    ‘For instance, there was the case of the Italian astronomer Giovanni Domenico Cassini. When Cassini was appointed lecturer in astronomy at the University of Bologna, in 1650, he found that he had to teach the Ptolemaic system, though by then it was also permissible to teach Copernicanism as a hypothesis. Not, of course, that Cassini had any doubts about the truth of the matter. He was an expert observer, and it was he who made the first reasonably accurate measurement of the distance between the Earth and the Sun. The fact that men such as Cassini could talk openly about the movement of the Earth – and in Italy, less than ten years after Galileo’s death – is an indication that the scientific influence of the Church was very much on the downgrade.’[1]

    [1]Patrick Moore: Watchers of the Stars, Michael Joseph Books, 1974, p.125.

    ‘Giovanni Cassini was an astronomer of the 17th century. He found several new moons going around Saturn while working for his immovable pope. By combining the data from St Peter’s meridian with his own telescopic observations he was able to predict accurate orbits for Mars and Venus. He had used mathematical techniques that assumed the planets and the Earth were moving in elliptical orbits about the sun. But he never dared to give an opinion on the Earth’s immobility. Perhaps he didn’t want to have to make a public confession of his errors.’[1]

    [1]Robert Lomas: The Invisible College, Headline, 2002, p.19.

    BULL. Note Lomas, the author of above piece of revisionism, has Cassini working for ‘his immovable pope,’. Then he has Cassini moving the Earth with ‘elliptical orbits’ if we don’t mind.
    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.


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    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
    Oh, crap dude, just make this knee-biting feldercarb your signature; it saves everyone time and effort.
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