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Offline St Ignatius

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E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
« on: November 20, 2018, 10:06:20 PM »
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  • One of the better interviews that I've seen in a while.



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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
    « Reply #1 on: November 20, 2018, 11:34:13 PM »
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  • How do you manage to sit through something like this?

    I'd rather read a transcript.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
    « Reply #2 on: November 20, 2018, 11:49:31 PM »
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  • Just by chance I stumbled upon 52:24

    At the end of the question, Mr. Jones states:

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    Who am I to say that he [John Paul II] is not a saint?

    Is Mr. Jones a traditional Catholic?
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
    « Reply #3 on: November 21, 2018, 05:46:57 AM »
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  • He is not a traditional Catholic.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
    « Reply #4 on: November 22, 2018, 02:20:13 PM »
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  • One of the better interviews that I've seen in a while.


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    33:40 Land O'Lakes statement, summer of 1967 = Fr. Hessburg stole Notre Dame from the Catholic Church
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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
    « Reply #5 on: November 22, 2018, 03:08:10 PM »
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  • E. Michael isn't a member of my Catholic denomination.  Can't listen to him. :o

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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
    « Reply #6 on: November 22, 2018, 03:38:45 PM »
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  • E. Michael isn't a member of my Catholic denomination.  Can't listen to him. :o
    Holly, I wonder if E. Michael would congratulate you for no longer being a SSPX attendee since at least that is one reason he could no longer hold you to being a schismatic! :)  Or it least that's what his view was on SSPX attendees until at least as recently as November 6, 2010 when I confronted him face to face at a geocentrism conference held in South Bend, Indiana and specifically questioned him on the matter.  As regards all this, here's a "blast" from the not so distant past.


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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
    « Reply #7 on: November 22, 2018, 10:43:43 PM »
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  • Just by chance I stumbled upon 52:24

    At the end of the question, Mr. Jones states:
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    Who am I to say that he [John Paul II] is not a saint?

    Is Mr. Jones a traditional Catholic?
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    That was a joke. J-O-K-E, joke.   :jester:   :facepalm:
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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
    « Reply #8 on: November 23, 2018, 06:20:48 AM »
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  • Here's another good one!

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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
    « Reply #9 on: November 23, 2018, 10:23:50 AM »
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    Klas:
    Holly, I wonder if E. Michael would congratulate you for no longer being a SSPX attendee since at least that is one reason he could no longer hold you to being a schismatic!


     
    I would never go to E. Michael for affirmation on that score. Jones is a very intelligent guy, and I think we have to thank him for developing one major thesis: The so-called “Jєωs” can be identified for only one commonly shared trait. They reject the Logos. Otherwise they have no fixed consistent cultural or ethnic identity. They are by nature revolutionaries, in revolt always against Christ and Christian culture. That is basically their ‘religion,’ if you deign to call тαℓмυdic Judaism a religion. I think Dr. Jone’s major contribution to our Catholic understanding is the definition of Judaism which he provides. On other matters concerning the Faith I pay only limited attention to him.

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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
    « Reply #10 on: November 25, 2018, 09:55:46 AM »
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  • When Jones is talking about social manipulation he's spot on but when he's talking about the Faith I don't listen to him. 


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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
    « Reply #11 on: November 27, 2018, 05:41:35 PM »
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  • I will admit that E. Michael Jones is kind of brash and effective in his speaking, like Brother Nathaniel but without the attire.  But, as I've said before, E. Michael Jones is a lickspittle and he rants and raves about stuff that isn't all that important.  As for Hollingsworth noting that E Michael Jones pointed out that the Jєωs are organized around a denial of Our Lord, well, who doesn't know that?  And I mean that seriously.  Jєωs hate Our Lord.  Our Lord called them vipers in the Gospel and the enemies of Our Lord have been haters of Catholics since day one.  In short, who really needs E. Michael Jones to explain that to them?

    E. Michael Jones does consider the SSPX to be schismatic and Mr. Jones does think the Novus ordo is fine - he does rants and spread his saliva everywhere, hence the reason I call him a lickspittle, about "bishops not backing up the Church". 

    I will say that if some other posters here are in such a cultural desert that they need to be entertained by E. Michael Jones then please be my guest and enjoy his stuff.  No doubt the guy is very bright and combative but why does he not see the error in the Novus Ordo? 

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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
    « Reply #12 on: November 27, 2018, 08:33:15 PM »
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  •   No doubt the guy is very bright and combative but why does he not see the error in the Novus Ordo?
    I'm only guessing, but he may to this day even somehow mistakenly place obedience above faith, thinking that faith is subservient to obedience rather than the other way around.

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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
    « Reply #13 on: November 28, 2018, 09:46:29 AM »
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  • Jones seems to be a good historian with a penchant for and skill in investigative journalism.  He is also a capable philosopher.  But he is a terrible, terrible theologian.  He's the sort of guy who will point to Nostra Aetate, assert that it's been misunderstood-- but don't worry because he has the correct understanding.  He struggles to view the Church as a divine institution (I'm sure he believes she is, but one would be hard pressed to find any evidence of that belief when he attempts to explain how this or that crisis or change happened).
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviewed on The Public Space
    « Reply #14 on: November 28, 2018, 09:49:04 AM »
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  • This thread could make a good sister thread to Rum's thread about unimpressive sedevacantists.  The criticism is that sedevacantists have a good ecclesiological theory of the crisis, but have dropped the ball on all the social issues and forces at play in the twentieth century.  Well, Jones has a great handle on those but miserably fails to explain how the Catholic Church can do the things she has (allegedly) done the last sixty years.  Rarely are those two topics (theology and "social studies", put broadly) married in the same person or group. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).