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Offline trad123

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Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2023, 05:40:15 PM »
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  • Whatever happens, the next 20 years will be interesting.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

    Offline Angelus

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    Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
    « Reply #31 on: September 22, 2023, 05:40:39 PM »
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  • So...what happens when Bergoglio retires and/or dies, and nothing happens? You would look like a false prophet, calling names and dates.
    Most say that is not a good idea. Bishop Williamson for example is always adamant that "I don't know the time, you don't know the time..." He is always completely against "calling dates".

    The Dimond brothers I believe were quite adamant that JP2 was the Antichrist. Don't they feel stupid now.

    Calling dates is the equivalent of clickbait. It gets people excited. You might get clicks, donations, excitement, action -- BUT it comes at a cost. You are repeatedly wrong, and you have to keep coming up with excuses why you were wrong, and try to keep people trusting you again and again (somehow) so as to continue the grift.

    One problem: people lose faith in you eventually. See: The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

    Yes, I believe that's not a good game to play.

    Who is calling dates? Who is asking for donations? Not me.

    And, there is no doubt. The Antichrist is going to pretend to die. Here is how St. Hildegard von Bingen describes it:


    Hildegard on the Antichrist’s pretended death

    From Scivias:

    "But I will die for you and to your glory, and rise again from death; and so I will deliver my people from Hell, that you may live gloriously with me in my kingdom, as that deceiver [Jesus] pretended He had done before." And he will tell his beloved ones to run him through with a sword and wrap him in a clean shroud, until the day of his resurrection. And he will delude them into thinking they are killing him, and so they will fulfill his commands. Then he will pretend to rise again, and bring out a writing as if for the salvation of souls, which is really a dire curse. And he will give this to people for a sign and commmand them to adore him. And if any person of faith refuses for love of My name, he will kill that person in great suffering and torture. And thus all who see and hear this will be struck with great wonder and doubtful amazement, as My beloved John shows... (Scivias, Book III, Vision 11, 31).

    From Book of Divine Works:

    For so too will he pretend to die, as if to redeem his people by his death, and to raise himself up again to return to life. He will also have an inscription written upon the foreheads of his followers, through which to introduce into the every evil, as too the ancient serpent, after deceiving humankind, kept them captive by stoking them with lust. Through that scripture he will inspire them by magical craft to oppose baptism and the Christian name, so that they will not desire to leave him, and all will style themselves after him, just as Christians are named after Christ. (The Fathers of the Church, Mediaeval Continuation, Volume 18. St. Hildegard Von Bingen, The Book of Divine Works. Pages 469, Part III, Vision 5, Chapter 31).


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    Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
    « Reply #32 on: September 22, 2023, 05:49:26 PM »
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  • Yes.  Which is why I take 2Thessalonians2 to be referring to the papacy, not just one "pope".

    The Church Fathers interpret 2 Thessalonians 2 as a single person, "the Man of sin," "the Son of Perdition." There is no ambiguity there.

    St. Thomas Aquinas again (https://aquinas.cc/la/en/~2Thess.C2.L1.n37):


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    37. He says, therefore: The revolt will come first, and then he will be revealed. According to the Gloss, he is said to be the man of sin and the son of perdition because, as the plenitude of virtue abounded in Christ, so a multitude of all sins will abound in the Antichrist. And as Christ is better than all the saints, so that man will be worse than all the wicked. And so he is called the man of sin, because he will be wholly given over to sins. But he is not called the man of sin in such a way that there could not be a worse man, because evil never corrupts the entire good—although no man could be worse in the actual order of things. But there could be no man better than Christ.


    He is also called the son of perdition, i.e., consigned to the utmost perdition. The wicked will be preserved for the day of perdition, and will be led to the day of fury (Job 21:30). Or son of perdition, i.e., of the devil, not by nature but by the completion of his wickedness, which will be completed in him.

    And he says be revealed, because as all the good deeds and virtues of the saints who came before Christ were figures of Christ, so in all the persecutions of the church the tyrants have been so to speak figures of the Antichrist, and the Antichrist was hidden in them. And so that whole wickedness, which was hidden in them, will be revealed at that time.





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    Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
    « Reply #33 on: September 22, 2023, 05:51:19 PM »
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  • Angelus, the problem with all that is that Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyła, and Ratzinger  (Luciani, too short a reign) were just as bad as Jorge.

    You, and Fr. Kramer, are deceived as to not see this.

    No, as I just quoted from St. Thomas Aquinas. The last guy, "the Man of Sin" will be far worse that the ones before. 

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    Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
    « Reply #34 on: September 22, 2023, 05:58:20 PM »
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  • No, as I just quoted from St. Thomas Aquinas. The last guy, "the Man of Sin" will be far worse that the ones before.
    But I don't think it's Bergoglio.  I think we have one or two more fake popes to go.


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    Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
    « Reply #35 on: September 22, 2023, 10:49:17 PM »
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  • Whatever happens, the next 20 years will be interesting.

    It'll be less than 6 years IMO.  Our Lady requested the consecration of Russia on June 13, 1929.  Later Our Lord told Sister Lucia that the Popes were following the example of the Kings of France, who failed to perform the requested consecration of France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and were deposed 100 years to the day of that request, and then 3.5 years later they were executed.  Their failure to make the consecration led to the wicked apostate French Revolution, and the failure of the Popes before V2 to make the consecration of Russia to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart led to what even Ratzinger referred to as the Church's French Revolution.  Our Lady made the request on a specified day for a reason.  So I sense something touched off on June 13, 2029.