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Offline Matto

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Do they teach evolution?
« on: August 29, 2016, 05:14:00 PM »
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  • The threads about geocentrism made me wonder about traditional Catholic schools. I do not have children and I never myself went to a traditional Catholic school but I wonder about them. Do the SSPX schools teach their children to believe in evolution and the big bang? And do the CMRI schools teach them that? And the same for the SSPV schools? I am sure some of you know children in those schools so you might know. I hope they do not but I fear that they all do.

    I would be very surprised if any of the traditional Catholic schools would dare to teach geocentrism (let alone a flat earth).
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    Do they teach evolution?
    « Reply #1 on: August 29, 2016, 06:24:06 PM »
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  • No, they don't teach evolution.


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    Do they teach evolution?
    « Reply #2 on: August 29, 2016, 06:26:25 PM »
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    No, they don't teach evolution.

    They don't? That's wonderful. I was afraid they did. But which schools are you talking about, the SSPX, CMRI, SSPV, or all of them? I was afraid they taught evolution either because the priests were liberal or because the government makes them teach it.
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    Do they teach evolution?
    « Reply #3 on: August 29, 2016, 06:33:06 PM »
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  • Oh sorry, my only experience is with sspx schools.

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    Do they teach evolution?
    « Reply #4 on: August 29, 2016, 07:38:42 PM »
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  • They did not teach evolution at the S.S.P.X school that we sent our children to for a few years. Overall, I think their curriculum was pretty good. The S.S.P.X school in Ontario, Canada, wisely refuses any government assistance and therefore does not have to teach any of the government approved nonsense (at least that's how it was when we were there).

    As for the C.M.R.I., I have no first hand experience, but I would be really surprised if they teach evolution, certainly at any school where their sisters teach. We recently had some of the C.M.R.I. sisters visit our chapel and do a week of classes for the children and they were talking a lot about creation and were very strongly anti-evolution.


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    Do they teach evolution?
    « Reply #5 on: August 29, 2016, 07:57:24 PM »
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    They did not teach evolution at the S.S.P.X school that we sent our children to for a few years. . . .
    As for the C.M.R.I., I have no first hand experience, but I would be really surprised if they teach evolution, certainly at any school where their sisters teach. We recently had some of the C.M.R.I. sisters visit our chapel and do a week of classes for the children and they were talking a lot about creation and were very strongly anti-evolution.

    I am glad to hear that from someone who knows.
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    Do they teach evolution?
    « Reply #6 on: August 29, 2016, 07:58:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    The threads about geocentrism made me wonder about traditional Catholic schools. I do not have children and I never myself went to a traditional Catholic school but I wonder about them. Do the SSPX schools teach their children to believe in evolution and the big bang? And do the CMRI schools teach them that? And the same for the SSPV schools? I am sure some of you know children in those schools so you might know. I hope they do not but I fear that they all do.

    I would be very surprised if any of the traditional Catholic schools would dare to teach geocentrism (let alone a flat earth).

    Great questions, Matto!

    I've known some traditional Catholic priests who are firmly opposed to evolution, but I'd like to see Catholic schools being more structured and firm on this theme.

    There are definitely some Protestant schools, especially Baptist, where they teach children to be militant against the modern fantasy of biological evolution, but Catholic parents shouldn't have to face all the other doctrinal problems with such a scholastic arrangement.

    Novus Ordo elementary schools in my experience have all caved to some version of evolution while they claim it doesn't have to conflict with the Church or the Bible.  I beg to differ.

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    Do they teach evolution?
    « Reply #7 on: August 29, 2016, 08:03:01 PM »
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    They did not teach evolution at the S.S.P.X school that we sent our children to for a few years. . . .
    As for the C.M.R.I., I have no first hand experience, but I would be really surprised if they teach evolution, certainly at any school where their sisters teach. We recently had some of the C.M.R.I. sisters visit our chapel and do a week of classes for the children and they were talking a lot about creation and were very strongly anti-evolution.

    I am glad to hear that from someone who knows.

    I have heard talks where Bishop Williamson criticizes biological evolution, but I have never heard +Fellay, +de Galarreta or +de Mallerais give a talk containing such denouncements.  Perhaps they have, but if so, I've not been privileged to hear any of them.

    Likewise, I don't know what Bishop Mark Pivarunas, CMRI has to say about it.

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    Do they teach evolution?
    « Reply #8 on: August 29, 2016, 08:05:33 PM »
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    Novus Ordo elementary schools in my experience have all caved to some version of evolution while they claim it doesn't have to conflict with the Church or the Bible.  I beg to differ.


    I know the Novus Ordo schools teach evolution. I believe all of the conciliar Popes believed in evolution. And even Pope Pius XII believed in the big bang and a billions of years old universe, though I do not know for sure if he believed in evolution though it would make sense if he did (cassini said he did, but I have not seen proof of this). What surprised me was that I heard from another poster on Cathinfo (I forget who) that decades before Vatican II many Catholic Schools were already teaching evolution while the public schools which were run by protestants still taught Biblical creation.
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    « Reply #9 on: August 29, 2016, 08:15:41 PM »
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  • Catholic parents today are obliged to teach their children about the controversy over evolution, and to inform them that there is an open war afoot against the Bible and Church doctrine about the Creation of the world and the human race.  

    This war being waged all around us attacks the foundation of our holy Faith, the doctrine of original sin and the fall of Adam.  For without that there is no need for Redemption, no need for Our Lord to die on the Cross, and no need for the Church with her seven Sacraments.  But that lesson is not for the little ones -- focus on positive teaching!  But don't be afraid to denounce evolution in the strongest terms!!

    Children should learn how traditional explanations for life on earth have never been refuted by real science, and on the contrary, as years go by every archaeological discovery unearthed re-confirms the Bible and does not conflict with holy Scripture.

    Today's children face the same battle we faced as children in this arena, and I am forever grateful for two parents who were adamantly opposed to the modern errors of scientism.

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    Do they teach evolution?
    « Reply #10 on: August 29, 2016, 08:20:26 PM »
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  • I grew up Novus Ordo and I was taught evolution in school but I never strongly believed it. So because of this is was very easy for me to reject it completely when I became a traditional Catholic and started to practice the faith. I should add that I do not trust anyone on religious matters who believes in the big bang and evolution. I do not know enough to know if they are heretics, but I act as if they are and do not listen to them.
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    « Reply #11 on: August 29, 2016, 08:28:54 PM »
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    Novus Ordo elementary schools in my experience have all caved to some version of evolution while they claim it doesn't have to conflict with the Church or the Bible.  I beg to differ.

    I know the Novus Ordo schools teach evolution. I believe all of the conciliar Popes believed in evolution. And even Pope Pius XII believed in the big bang and a billions of years old universe, though I do not know for sure if he believed in evolution though it would make sense if he did (cassini said he did, but I have not seen proof of this). What surprised me was that I heard from another poster on Cathinfo (I forget whom) that decades before Vatican II many Catholic Schools were already teaching evolution while the public schools which were run by protestants still taught Biblical creation.


    I suspect what cassini said about Pius XII is very likely true, which would then go a long way toward explaining why the CMRI is not more openly opposed to the theological error of biological evolution.  They teach that he was "the last real Pope" and that THEREFORE everything he did or said was somehow enshrined in unassailable soundness.  But the Church never taught that about any of the popes, whose infallibility is limited to a very narrow set of criteria.

    The liberalization of the Church's teaching offices (schools worldwide under bishops' jurisdiction) was in progress long before Vat.II which is how Vat.II was possible in the first place.  Look at the demise of Catholicism in Catholic colleges -- which accelerated after "the Council" but were already moving in that direction long before 1962.

    It seems to me that evolution is one of the "errors of Russia" that Our Lady tried to warn us about in 1917 at Fatima, Portugal.

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    Do they teach evolution?
    « Reply #12 on: August 29, 2016, 08:30:52 PM »
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    I grew up Novus Ordo and I was taught evolution in school but I never strongly believed it. So because of this is was very easy for me to reject it completely when I became a traditional Catholic and started to practice the faith. I should add that I do not trust anyone on religious matters who believes in the big bang and evolution. I do not know enough to know if they are heretics, but I act as if they are and do not listen to them.

    Can you recall if there was someone who taught you as a child to question evolution?  If there was, can you say if it was your parent or a teacher in school or perhaps a nun or a priest??

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    Do they teach evolution?
    « Reply #13 on: August 29, 2016, 08:34:41 PM »
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    Can you recall if there was someone who taught you as a child to question evolution?  If there was, can you say if it was your parent or a teacher in school or perhaps a nun or a priest??

    I do not remember anyone teaching me to question evolution. My parents did not teach me to question it, and neither did any of the Novus Ordo priests or religious teachers I had. I just never strongly believed it to be true. Maybe that was a grace.
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    « Reply #14 on: August 29, 2016, 10:26:31 PM »
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    Can you recall if there was someone who taught you as a child to question evolution?  If there was, can you say if it was your parent or a teacher in school or perhaps a nun or a priest??

    I do not remember anyone teaching me to question evolution. My parents did not teach me to question it, and neither did any of the Novus Ordo priests or religious teachers I had. I just never strongly believed it to be true. Maybe that was a grace.

    I'd say that was a "signal grace" -- a conspicuous reality that helps your faith.

    I've only met one other person who could say that.  I think it's really unusual for anyone to doubt evolution without having had someone teach them to do so as a child.

    Have you ever talked to children about your experience or encouraged them to believe the Church's teachings especially when they're in conflict with evolution?  If not, I highly recommend it, because you might find you have a special calling to teach children religion!!

    You'd just have to find a traditional priest who can use some help, and that might not be difficult to do.

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