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Title: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on February 23, 2024, 09:58:39 AM
Divine Mercy Chaplet is being promoted even among traditional Catholics.  (   I don’t like being made to pray something that was previously banned. )





Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on February 23, 2024, 10:26:26 AM

What are we to think of the Divine Mercy Devotion?
Fr. Peter R. Scott


Many people have certainly received graces from the devotion to Divine Mercy propagated by St. Faustina, and her personal piety was certainly most exemplary. However, this does not necessarily mean that this devotion is from God. It is true that Pope John Paul II promoted this devotion, that it was through his efforts that the prohibition was lifted on April 15, 1978, and that he even introduced a feast of Divine Mercy into the Novus Ordo. However, the fact that good and pious people receive graces and that Sister Faustina was pious do not necessarily means that it is from heaven. In fact, it was not only not approved before Vatican II. It was condemned, and this despite the fact that the prayers themselves of the chaplet of Divine Mercy are orthodox.

 

Condemned by the Holy Office

There were two decrees from Rome on this question, both of the time of Pope John XXIII. The Supreme Congregation of the Holy Office, in a plenary meeting held on November 19, 1958, made the following decisions:


The supernatural nature of the revelations made to Sister Faustina is not evident.

No feast of Divine Mercy is to be instituted.

It is forbidden to divulge images and writings that propagate this devotion under the form received by Sister Faustina.
 
The second decree of the Holy Office was on March 6, 1959, in which the following was established: 


The diffusion of images and writings promoting the devotion to Divine Mercy under the form proposed by the same Sister Faustina was forbidden.

The prudence of the bishops is to judge as to the removal of the aforesaid images that are already displayed for public honor.

What was it about this devotion that prevented the Holy Office from acknowledging its divine origin? The decrees do not say, but it seems that the reason lies in the fact that there is so much emphasis on God’s mercy as to exclude His justice. Our sins and the gravity of the offense that they inflict on God is pushed aside as being of little consequence. That is why the aspect of reparation for sin is omitted or obscured.

The true image of God’s mercy is the Sacred Heart of Jesus, pierced with a lance, crowned with thorns, dripping precious blood. The Sacred Heart calls for a devotion of reparation, as the popes have always requested. However, this is not the case with the Divine Mercy devotion. The image has no heart. It is a Sacred Heart without a heart, without reparation, without the price of our sins being clearly evident. It is this that makes the devotion very incomplete and makes us suspicious of its supernatural origin, regardless of Sister Faustina’s own good intentions and personal holiness. This absence of the need for reparation for sins is manifest in the strange promise of freedom from all the temporal punishment due to sin for those who observe the 3:00 p.m. Low Sunday devotions. How could such a devotion be more powerful and better than a plenary indulgence, applying the extraordinary treasury of the merits of the saints? How could it not require as a condition that we perform a penitential work of our own? How could it not require the detachment from even venial sin that is necessary to obtain a plenary indulgence?

 

Presumption in the Writings of Sister Faustina

The published Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalski (Marian Press, Stockbridge, MA, 2007) also indicates several reasons to seriously question the supernatural origin of the more than 640 pages of voluminous and repeated apparitions and messages. The characteristic of any true mystic who has received supernatural graces is always a profound humility, sense of unworthiness, awareness and profession of the gravity of his sins. Yet this humility is strangely lacking in Sister Faustina’s diary. On October 2, 1936, for example, she states that the “Lord Jesus” spoke these words to her: “Now I know that it is not for the graces or gifts that you love me, but because My will is dearer to you than life. That is why I am uniting Myself with you so intimately as with no other creature.” (§707, p. 288). This gives every appearance of being a claim of being more united to Jesus than anybody else, even the Blessed Virgin Mary, and certainly more than all the other saints. What pride, to believe such an affirmation, let alone to assert that it came from heaven!

In April 1938, Sister Faustina read the canonization of St. Andrew Bobola and was filled with longing and tears that her congregation might have its own saint. Then she affirms the following: “And the Lord Jesus said to me, Don’t cry. You are that saint.” (§1650, p. 583). These are words that most certainly no true saint would affirm, but rather his sinfulness and unworthiness of his congregation. This presumption in her writings is not isolated. She praises herself on several occasions through the words supposedly uttered by Jesus. Listen to this interior locution, for example: “Beloved pearl of My Heart, I see your love so pure, purer than that of the angels, and all the more so because you keep fighting. For your sake I bless the world.” (§1061, p. 400). On May 23, 1937 she describes a vision of the Holy Trinity, after which she heard a voice saying: “Tell the Superior General to count on you as the most faithful daughter in the Order” (§1130, p. 417). It is consequently hardly surprising that Sister Faustina claimed to be exempt from the Particular and General Judgments. On February 4, 1935, she already claimed to hear this voice in her soul: “From today on, do not fear God’s judgment, for you will not be judged” (§374, p. 168). Add to this the preposterous affirmation that the host three times over jumped out of the tabernacle and placed itself in her hands (§44, p. 23), so that she had to open up the tabernacle herself and place it back in there, tells the story of a presumption on God’s grace which goes beyond all reason, let alone as the action of a person supposedly favored with innumerable and repeated mystical and supernatural graces.

It is perhaps not accidental that Pope John Paul II promoted this devotion, for it is very much in line with his encyclical Dives in Misericordia. In fact, the Paschal Mystery theology that he taught pushed aside all consideration of the gravity of sin and the need for penance, for satisfaction to divine justice, and hence of the Mass as being an expiatory sacrifice, and likewise the need to gain indulgences and to do works of penance. Since God is infinitely merciful and does not count our sins, all this is considered of no consequence. This is not the Catholic spirit. We must make reparation for our sins and for the sins of the whole world, as the Sacred Heart repeatedly asked at Paray-Le-Monial. It is the renewal of our consecration to the Sacred Heart and frequent holy hours of reparation that is going to bring about the conversion of sinners. It is in this way that we can cooperate in bringing about His Kingdom of Merciful Love, because it is the perfect recognition of the infinite holiness of the Divine Majesty and complete submission to His rightful demands. Mercy only means something when we understand the price of our Redemption.




Source: http://www.angelusonline.org/index.php?section=articles&subsection=show_article&article_id=2895


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Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: B from A on February 23, 2024, 10:29:29 AM
Other threads covering this topic:

Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/investigation-of-the-divine-mercy-devotion/)

What is/are the problem(s) with Divine Mercy? (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/what-isare-the-problem(s)-with-divine-mercy/msg438217/#msg438217)

Holy Office forbids Divine Mercy (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/holy-office-forbids-divine-mercy/msg207251/#msg207251)

Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on February 23, 2024, 10:41:52 AM
Thank you for these other threads, Bfrom a. 


Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: ElwinRansom1970 on February 23, 2024, 10:51:02 AM
Divine Mercy Chaplet is being promoted even among traditional Catholics.  (  I don’t like being made to pray something that was previously banned. )
The Divine Mercy Chaplet was never banned, rather the Diary of Sr. Faustina was censured.

Although the Divine Mercy Chaplet is orthodox in its prayer -- in fact it resembles the 19th-century Chaplet of the Holy Face, I do not pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet because it is not a devotion of long-standing custom and I have particular interest in the cultus of Divine Mercy. Additionally, I consider the Diary of Sr. Faustina as well as the claimed apparitions of our Lord to be bogus.
Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on February 23, 2024, 11:03:25 AM
"Through the most sorrowful passion of Jesus,  is replaced with for the Sake of His sorrowful passion. 

have mercy on us and on the whole world.

More like a false mercy is being promoted.  A mercy to accept all sin and everyone going to heaven. 
Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on February 23, 2024, 11:32:41 AM
The Divine Mercy feast day is taking over Easter.  If anyone wants to pray the  chaplet fine just pray it to yourself on your own time in private.  Same with the Luminous mysteries too.  People used to pray the 150 psalms.  I’m sure many haven’t even prayed 150 psalms.

I shouldn’t have to be forced to pray anything.  So tired of the big show offs. 

 













Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: FlosCarmeli13 on February 23, 2024, 11:33:02 AM
I think the Divine Mercy chaplet is promoted to make people to stop praying the Holy Rosary.  We know the devil hates the Holy Rosary.

Pray the Holy Rosary instead, the traditional way without the ''Luminous mysteries''!
Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on February 23, 2024, 11:41:13 AM
And on Fridays, the Stations of the Cross. 
Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Ladislaus on February 23, 2024, 03:00:40 PM
I think the Divine Mercy chaplet is promoted to make people to stop praying the Holy Rosary.  We know the devil hates the Holy Rosary.

Pray the Holy Rosary instead, the traditional way without the ''Luminous mysteries''!

I find that the entire Divine Mercy movement is calculated to lead people to becoming presumptuous of God's Mercy.  Whenever God sees fit to reveal a new devotion, it's always to correct some prevalent disordered tendency, such as when Our Lord revealed devotion to His Sacred Heart when Jansenism was in full force.  Today there's no shortage of people who trust in God's Mercy these days, where nearly all presume to ignore God's Justice.  Many believe there's no Hell, or there's no one there, except perhaps Hitler and a few Traditional Catholics and αnтι-ѕємιтєs and racists.

In fact, many in the Divine Mercy movement hold that doing the various devotions is a substitute for going to Confession, where if you do the various devotions you're forgiven your sins without having to go to Confession.  That's in fact the impression I got from it when I was a young man mired in the Novus Ordo (at about the age of 12 or 13 or so).

In the Conciliar Church, parishes that have tens of thousands registered in them will find 3-4 people tops showing up for their weekly half-hour Confession window on Saturday afternoon, and mostly the same 3-4 people every week, and yet they are such saints that every last one of them parades up to receive "Communion", including non-Catholics (well, they're mostly non-Catholics ... so I mean the professed non-Catholics).

That's why I find it to be complete bunk.

Not to mention that the beams of light have a very New Agey feel to them vs. the image of Our Lord's Sacred Heart.
Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Ladislaus on February 23, 2024, 03:06:53 PM
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eLQAAOSwQzVegghn/s-l1200.webp)    (https://i.etsystatic.com/41519616/r/il/ada290/5415346198/il_570xN.5415346198_2uyh.jpg)

Which one of these depicts Our Lord's Love and Mercy more, whatever those "beams' mean on the left, or Our Lord's Sacred Heart on the right?  Which one moves the human heart more?  Answer is clear.  There was no need for this new devotion whatsoever.
Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Vanguard on February 23, 2024, 03:28:18 PM
Very nice Sacred Heart picture 
Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Ladislaus on February 23, 2024, 03:38:00 PM
Very nice Sacred Heart picture

Indeed.  I find many of them to depict Our Lord as way too effeminate, with a soft baby face.  I'm looking for a good one of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (there are even fewer of those that I like).

Here's the one from above (digital download):
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1539480906/sacred-heart-of-jesus-20-x-30-inches
Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Soubirous on February 23, 2024, 04:51:02 PM
Indeed.  I find many of them to depict Our Lord as way too effeminate, with a soft baby face.  I'm looking for a good one of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (there are even fewer of those that I like).

Here's the one from above (digital download):
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1539480906/sacred-heart-of-jesus-20-x-30-inches

Sadly, there are versions for sale of that same image elsewhere online with the Holy Wounds edited out. That's the giveaway, both as depictions and the for the alleged DM revelation, there are no wounds.

Here's another Sacred Heart one that passes the no-insipid test. It was painted in 1896 by José María Ibarrarán y Ponce. (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_María_Ibarrarán)

(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-e8fztk4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/17667/59068/NW-195_4_9x12__79838__26802__44303__30002.1500679125.jpg?c=2)

I don't know what to think about some of these vendors. The above image at over a century old is in the public domain. Where the item being sold is an actual large-format high-quality framed print (https://www.sistersofcarmel.com/sacred-heart-of-jesus-art-print/), that's one thing. Downloads where the file for sale was itself downloaded interminably from some other digital source(s), well, what exactly is the product or service that merits compensation.

Faith either over-cheapened or over-commodified.
Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Twice dyed on February 23, 2024, 07:14:21 PM
Indeed. .. I'm looking for a good one of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (there are even fewer of those that I like).

Look what I found 10 years ago on eBay. Apparition of Our Lady at Lourdes. It looks/ feels like bronze, not certain... 15 " tall.  It has an inscription on the side that reads: " Le Miracle du Cierge"  or the Miracle of the Candle. Circa 1880 AD. The Manufacturer is : GR. DEP. The artist's name: A. Riochir. The base is a music box, and when you crank it, it plays Ave, Ave Maria. (Immaculate ) Conception..  No download fee for thee, and no C° . This is part of our Catholic heritage. But alas, nowadays, we are in a daze~
 + Fellay encouraged SSPX ers to participate in the Year of Mercy!
"The 2016 Jubilee was first announced by Pope Francis on 13 March 2015. It was declared in the pope's April 2015 papal bull of indiction (formal announcement or proclamation), Misericordiae Vultus (Latin for "The Face of Mercy"). It began on Dec. 8, 2015, Feast of the Immaculate Conception.
Remember, it was noised abroad that women// // doctors who participated in abortions could be absolved by : "skilled and good confessors" during that year?  without having to contact a bishop for 'Reserved sins,'. So yeah, +Fellay was 95 % with the enemy. Pray! 
Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Twice dyed on February 23, 2024, 07:18:45 PM
Sorry! I forgot to send the Att. 
STATUE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION, Lourdes
Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Vanguard on February 23, 2024, 07:22:20 PM
Thank you for the link and the other beautiful Sacred Heart. Love both of them. 
Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Bl Alojzije Stepinac on February 23, 2024, 10:47:17 PM
I read and heard in more than one article/book/video that painter of the original picture that is in the Divine Mercy Shrine was a freemason who didn't convert bit commited ѕυιcιdє.
I agree with Ladislaus, and to try to accept and normalize giving and receiving Holy Communion on the hand.
If that sister nun ever existed, she was iliterate to write that diary. Maybe father  Sepocko was a main figure in creating and promoting that diary and images.
I know that "spiritual father" of all fake seers in Medjugorje was a friar Tomislav Vlašić who impregnated a nun and was suspended. He later created a new age cult involving aliens in Italy, but he was excommunicated in 2020. not earlier.
And despite all condemnations of bishops, forbiding preaching and pilgrims, and that fact also, still many people come there.
People talk about conversions and comfessions, but many priests in normal times would be suspended or even defrocked, laicized for that behaviour.
They are accepting modernist, "feel good" religion, not hard, true teaching of the Catholic Church.
Almost all Medjugorje believers also believe in Divine Mercy devotion, apparitions, etc.
Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Seraphina on February 23, 2024, 11:44:55 PM
Who is forcing anyone to pray anything?
Title: Re: Divine mercy chaplet
Post by: Bl Alojzije Stepinac on February 24, 2024, 12:12:17 AM
Saint Alphonsus Maria de Liguori wrote that he who prays will be saved. He who doesn't pray, won't be saved. He is referring to a public prayer, true Holy Mass, but also to rosary and other devotions, like Via Crucis, Way of the Cross, etc.
Sensus fidei is telling even to NO Catholics that they need to pray something at home.
Many don't have sensus fidei today, they live like agnostics, and say they are Catholics. I have few in my family, most in my small town, relatives, co-workers.