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« on: June 02, 2010, 11:28:35 AM »
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  • Dirty-dancing cleanup
    To halt those overly sexy steps, schools are adopting dance contracts. And that really grinds some students.

    By Samantha Melamed

    Penncrest High School's senior prom last month was a success, by all accounts.

    But it was only one year ago that principal Rick Gregg dropped some ugly truths on a group of unsuspecting parents.

    The students at school-sponsored dances, he told them, weren't exactly doing the fox trot.

    "There would be a tight cluster of students . . . and in the center we had no idea what was going on," said Susan Nolen, copresident of the Parent Teacher Group and mother of two students at Penncrest. "Clearly, there was inappropriate touching; that was obvious during the cleanup of the dances."

    Whoa - wait. What?

    "The custodial staff were," Nolen explained, uneasily, "cleaning bodily fluids off the floor."

    The parents were speechless, too.

    So, after two years of unsuccessfully battling the problem, Gregg proposed at that spring meeting a solution now being tried by high schools across the country and by a growing number of schools across this region: a dance contract.

    Penncrest's version, one of the first in the area, was mailed to students in the summer to be signed on the first day of this school year. (It was also adapted in December for use at Radnor High School.) It requires students to take a breath-alcohol test and undergo a bag search, but it also aims squarely at preventing "sɛҳuąƖly suggestive dancing."

    To attend dances, the contract states, students must agree to avoid "grinding, freaking or any mimicking of sɛҳuąƖ acts"; "front-to-back touching"; straddling one another; or doing anything that requires resting their hands on their knees or the floor.

    In short, they're not to do anything seen on MTV.

    As solutions go, the contracts, once implemented, have proven relatively effective. Because students dutifully followed the contract at Radnor this year, the requirements have been lifted for Saturday's prom. (Teenagers are less inclined to grind when they're wearing gowns, but that promised reward was also part of what principal Mark Schellenger believes made Radnor's contract so effective.)

    And at Penncrest's senior prom, the kids danced appropriately, said Gregg.

    Yet the path to dance contracts, locally and nationally, has been attended by protests.

    Boycotts have taken place. Off-site dances have been staged. (In Salina, Kan., students went so far as to organize an alternative homecoming dance.) And, of course, Facebook groups were formed.

    "'Freaking.' Ummmm, no one knows [what] that is," Radnor High freshman Sisi Gospodinov, 15, wrote on the wall of a Facebook group titled "School Dance Contracts are BS."

    Still, several students have since admitted their favored dance form did sometimes go beyond the pale, specifically in the "huddle," or the "amoeba," as they call it.

    "It used to be pretty inappropriate; I'm not going to lie," Radnor senior Spencer Holm said. He likened the dancing to strippers' moves. "The freshman girls used to be expected to dance a certain way, especially if they were there with an upperclassman, even if they didn't know him that well."

    Local principals have been brainstorming for a couple of years on how to deal with the problem, either by warning the kids to change or enlisting student leaders to direct the cause. Many times, an administration would think the message had taken hold at one dance; then, at the next, things would be even worse.

    And now on the Main Line and in the western suburbs, "at least half the schools have contracts" or are considering them, Schellenger says. He mentioned Upper Darby, Strath Haven, and Conestoga as schools that had discussed the possibility of contracts, though administrators there did not return calls for comment.

    Still, not all schools have been convinced that a contract is necessary.

    Marple Newtown High School principal Ray McFall says he's been weighing a contract, although simply warning students who cross the line has proven sufficient so far. "It just hasn't reached the tipping point yet," he said. "The contract would be a way to get ahead of the game, before it really gets out of control."

    Jeffrey Nesbitt, principal at Haverford High School, indicated that behavioral expectations were nonnegotiable, at dances and elsewhere. "We have always expected students to follow school rules while attending dances," he said. "At this time, we do not have an additional contract" beyond those expectations.

    At Lower Merion School District, which encompasses Harriton and Lower Merion high schools, there's no contract - because, except for the prom, there are hardly any dances. Ten years ago, the district instituted a specific policy banning "inappropriate" behavior at school-sponsored dances; about that same time students stopped organizing them, district spokesman Doug Young said.

    The contracts at Penncrest and Radnor nearly brought about a similar end.

    At Radnor, where Holm is on student government, he and the class president had to launch an epic e-mail and text-messaging campaign for the December senior semiformal trying to persuade classmates to give the contract a chance.

    Boycotts were a bigger problem at Penncrest, where there was talk of holding an alternative no-contract prom. Two dances, one in November and one in December, were canceled due to lack of interest, said senior class vice president Colleen McGeehan, 18. She said last fall's homecoming dance sold 200 tickets, compared with about 600 the previous year.

    At this year's Penncrest sophomore sock hop, there was even a case of not-so-civil disobedience.

    "People were trying to get the dance shut down as a sign of resistance," said junior C.J. Cassey, 18. After two warnings by the administration - which blasted Frank Sinatra hits in an effort to subdue the mood - the students succeeded. "There were people who cheered and high-fived after the dance was shut down, which I feel is a shame."

    As a student leader, McGeehan was expected to help sell the contract. The problem was, she wasn't sure she bought into it.

    "A lot of kids felt like they were being directly attacked by the administration, like it was an attack on our culture. A lot of people were really offended, and I understood that," she said.

    Still, Penncrest students said that by April's junior prom, they had reached a middle ground with the administration. Only six students were asked to leave that dance, which was considered a success.

    The students also discovered a de facto loophole:

    "Instead of grinding back to front, people could grind front to front," Cassey says wryly. "That was found to be less inappropriate by the administration, though that's been debated by the student body."

    The administration does not actually condone front-to-front grinding. But how, after all, is it determined which teenage dance moves are OK? Gregg proposes the same litmus test Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart once applied to pornography: I know it when I see it.

    He freely acknowledges that there has always been, and probably always will be, a generation gap when it comes to dancing. But he also says today's "vertical lap dancing" is downright unsafe.

    Gregg, a 29-year educator, remembers first seeing front-to-back dancing in schools in 1987, when DJs were playing George Michael's "I Want Your Sex." That is, perhaps not coincidentally, the same year Dirty Dancing was released.

    But unlike wide-eyed Jennifer Grey, who wandered into the staff-only dance party at Kellerman's, local teens say grinding is just normal.

    In some cases, it helps camouflage that some students can't actually dance.

    Sarah Antonelli, a Penncrest senior, described grinding more as a comfort zone, an equalizer for the rhythmically challenged. Grinding barred, "you really don't know what else to do instead," Gospodinov said.

    Even Holm of Radnor was skeptical until his first dance with the contract in place, held in December. "At first, people were timid," he said, "but over the first hour, they got on the dance floor and were dancing as if they were at a bar mitzvah or a wedding."

    Now, "the whole atmosphere is different. It's so much better, in the sense that there's no pressure to dance" a certain way.

    That's the point of the contract, says Gregg. It slows down kids who "are trying to be grown-ups before they're ready."
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    « Reply #1 on: June 02, 2010, 11:32:48 AM »
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  • Any Catholic who thinks they can send their children to public school in good conscience should reconsider!

    "Freshman girls have to dance a certain way...especially if they're with an upperclassman."

    What?

    The hedonism and paganism is revolting.

    I suppose you could just forbid your children from going to school dances -- but aren't you setting yourself up for rebellion? I mean, it would be like having a TV and simply saying "no" all the time when they ask for lots of "stuff" they saw on TV. Why torture them?

    I think keeping children at home, even if it means they get a 6th grade equivalent education, is a good thing to do.

    Remember: A manual laborer (or self-taught individual in certain professions) CAN make it to heaven. Isn't that all that matters?
    A person with a successful career who had his/her soul damaged by public school could easily lose their soul.

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    « Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 03:41:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    Any Catholic who thinks they can send their children to public school in good conscience should reconsider!


    It does seem the priorities are very badly misplaced in many traditional Catholic homes.  What disturbs me most is the ineffective response to this problem I've seen in trad chapels.

    Setting up a system of boarding schools seems to be a very bad "solution."



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    « Reply #3 on: June 07, 2010, 10:16:56 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    Any Catholic who thinks they can send their children to public school in good conscience should reconsider!

    "Freshman girls have to dance a certain way...especially if they're with an upperclassman."

    What?

    The hedonism and paganism is revolting.

    I suppose you could just forbid your children from going to school dances -- but aren't you setting yourself up for rebellion? I mean, it would be like having a TV and simply saying "no" all the time when they ask for lots of "stuff" they saw on TV. Why torture them?

    I think keeping children at home, even if it means they get a 6th grade equivalent education, is a good thing to do.

    Remember: A manual laborer (or self-taught individual in certain professions) CAN make it to heaven. Isn't that all that matters?
    A person with a successful career who had his/her soul damaged by public school could easily lose their soul.

    Matthew


    Amen! Couldn't have said it better, myself.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 07, 2010, 11:13:21 AM »
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  • That's a freaking shock+
     :cry: :cry: :cry:

    It shouldn't be, but still.  So many teachers and administrators collude with this animal behavior..

    Christ have mercy on us.




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    « Reply #5 on: June 07, 2010, 12:15:26 PM »
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  • So disgusting.

    My husband thought, at first, it had to be in a lower class neighborhood. (Yeah, okay.)

    So I looked up this high school.

    Newp. They're ritzy folks, it would appear.

    http://www.rtmsd.org/penncresthigh/site/default.asp
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    « Reply #6 on: June 07, 2010, 12:42:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    So disgusting.

    My husband thought, at first, it had to be in a lower class neighborhood. (Yeah, okay.)

    So I looked up this high school.

    Newp. They're ritzy folks, it would appear.

    http://www.rtmsd.org/penncresthigh/site/default.asp


    Its a misconception that the richer a school's students are the more well-behaved. In fact, many well-to-do schools are even worse, because the students attempt to emulate the styles of their ghetto neighbors because they are deemed "cool" or "badass". Often they exceed the ghetto kids in perversion. I'm not surprised at this story at all. It might as well be my high school. With the freshman, it is worse, since they have an urge to get some human respect so they participate in all sorts of perverse abominations.

    Don't be deceived. I don't believe that any young man/woman can attend public high school without falling into an abyss of mortal sin. Even the kids that seem good (i.e., are in AP classes, get good grades, study in the library) are actually as perverse or even more than their classmates. I know this from first-hand experience. The only way to survive is if all of your free time is spent reading spiritual books or praying (both at school and out of school). 15 decades is a must...

    The bottom line is that if you are not a traditional Catholic committed to saving your soul, then there is no way that you can go to public high school and not go to Hell....



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    « Reply #7 on: June 07, 2010, 12:44:22 PM »
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  • We love you Vladimir.


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    « Reply #8 on: June 07, 2010, 02:45:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
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    Any Catholic who thinks they can send their children to public school in good conscience should reconsider!


    It does seem the priorities are very badly misplaced in many traditional Catholic homes.  What disturbs me most is the ineffective response to this problem I've seen in trad chapels.

    Setting up a system of boarding schools seems to be a very bad "solution."




    most trads are happy getting a TLM, actually living the faith openly and promoting is a another thing..would not want the neighbors to be angry, labelled unAmerican or strange....for most Faith=Sundays only.......and never into practice, least one be labelled a radical....
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    « Reply #9 on: June 07, 2010, 02:45:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    My husband thought, at first, it had to be in a lower class neighborhood. (Yeah, okay.)


    a bit of a sheltered world we live in?
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #10 on: June 07, 2010, 02:46:40 PM »
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    So disgusting.

    My husband thought, at first, it had to be in a lower class neighborhood. (Yeah, okay.)

    So I looked up this high school.

    Newp. They're ritzy folks, it would appear.

    http://www.rtmsd.org/penncresthigh/site/default.asp


    Its a misconception that the richer a school's students are the more well-behaved. In fact, many well-to-do schools are even worse, because the students attempt to emulate the styles of their ghetto neighbors because they are deemed "cool" or "badass". Often they exceed the ghetto kids in perversion. I'm not surprised at this story at all. It might as well be my high school. With the freshman, it is worse, since they have an urge to get some human respect so they participate in all sorts of perverse abominations.

    Don't be deceived. I don't believe that any young man/woman can attend public high school without falling into an abyss of mortal sin. Even the kids that seem good (i.e., are in AP classes, get good grades, study in the library) are actually as perverse or even more than their classmates. I know this from first-hand experience. The only way to survive is if all of your free time is spent reading spiritual books or praying (both at school and out of school). 15 decades is a must...

    The bottom line is that if you are not a traditional Catholic committed to saving your soul, then there is no way that you can go to public high school and not go to Hell....


    rich folks are groomed for NWO more than the ditch digers kid.....who is groomed to be dumbed down to be a dumber ditch digger....
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic


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    « Reply #11 on: June 07, 2010, 03:06:49 PM »
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  • Rick children are groomed to be part of the ruling elite. Poor children are groomed to be slaves.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 07, 2010, 03:29:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: Vladimir
    Quote from: parentsfortruth
    So disgusting.

    My husband thought, at first, it had to be in a lower class neighborhood. (Yeah, okay.)

    So I looked up this high school.

    Newp. They're ritzy folks, it would appear.

    http://www.rtmsd.org/penncresthigh/site/default.asp


    Its a misconception that the richer a school's students are the more well-behaved. In fact, many well-to-do schools are even worse, because the students attempt to emulate the styles of their ghetto neighbors because they are deemed "cool" or "badass". Often they exceed the ghetto kids in perversion. I'm not surprised at this story at all. It might as well be my high school. With the freshman, it is worse, since they have an urge to get some human respect so they participate in all sorts of perverse abominations.

    Don't be deceived. I don't believe that any young man/woman can attend public high school without falling into an abyss of mortal sin. Even the kids that seem good (i.e., are in AP classes, get good grades, study in the library) are actually as perverse or even more than their classmates. I know this from first-hand experience. The only way to survive is if all of your free time is spent reading spiritual books or praying (both at school and out of school). 15 decades is a must...



    I had eight or so APs in high school and its the same from my own experience as well. The rich teenagers are just as bad morally as the poor teenagers, many "smart" teens are just as bad as the mediocre ones. Even the "religious" Southern Baptist public high-schoolers behave just like everyone else at homecoming and prom events.

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    The bottom line is that if you are not a traditional Catholic committed to saving your soul, then there is no way that you can go to public high school and not go to Hell....


    I'd take it even a step further, Traditional Catholics should not try to attend secular, public, or your modern "Catholic" universities. Many Trads seem to understand that public schooling is bad from K-12, but miss the boat when it comes secular and public universities. All of a sudden, secular schools are a OK.
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    « Reply #13 on: June 07, 2010, 03:32:18 PM »
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  • MY friend dated a Southern baptist girl and she informerd him that in there culture a*** and o*** sex is ok before marriage because it doesn't take away your virginity. Only vaginal intervcourse before marriageis considered bad. It is truly vile the moral contortions these prots make.

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    « Reply #14 on: June 07, 2010, 03:36:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
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    Any Catholic who thinks they can send their children to public school in good conscience should reconsider!


    It does seem the priorities are very badly misplaced in many traditional Catholic homes.  What disturbs me most is the ineffective response to this problem I've seen in trad chapels.

    Setting up a system of boarding schools seems to be a very bad "solution."


    I agree Tele, boarding schools are mostly an Anglo-Protestant invention. I realize that the SSPX probably had good intentions in setting them up, but I don't think they work especially when you have children sent away at age 14 for high school. Bad idea all around.
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