Did the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs Exist?




Dear AnswerMan,

Were cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs during WWII really used in the way history portrays, did they really exist?

John



AnswerMan Replies:

THE cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρS certainly did exist, by the hundreds! Prior to the war they were ordinary prisons that housed, in addition to ordinary criminals, a growing population of political prisoners and those identified as undesirables by the stringent racial and social theories then in place.

When it became obvious that hostilities could no longer be avoided, this nation of 80 millions was faced with the problem of mounting huge armies and still having enough manpower to operate the arms industries that would supply them. As taking on the entire world is not a light venture, they very early saw that the only recourse was slave labor. Every major power who fought against them used the same resource, although to nowhere near the extent that Germany did, except in the case of Russia and her extensive gulags. The name "cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ" was coined by a German official charged with organizing some part of this vast network of camps, and referred to concentrating the work forces directly at the factories. Auschwitz-Birkenau, for instance, served the labor needs of the huge I.G.Farben synthetic rubber plant built at that location, as well as many minor satellite efforts.

There is strong evidence that the treatment at many camps was relatively humane, and that the stories of one pail of watery soup per day for a barracks full of inmates is in most cases, dramatic license. As noted in a memo expressing concern for production outputs later in the war, the feeding and care of both physical and emotional needs of these captive workers was vital to achieving the rates needed ever more desperately. What sense would it make to reduce a factory full of workers to a state of stumbling starvation and deprivation? A person who did this to the manufacturing effort he was charged with overseeing would have been properly called on the carpet for creating a serious impediment to the war effort through needless oversight and cruelty.

On the other hand, there are offsetting truths of a darker nature. The people incarcerated were prisoners. Criminals and slave laborers and officially designated pariahs. The camps were prisons, and the guards, like their prisoners and as is true in all societies, were not the cream of the German manpower pool else they would have been in the Wehrmacht. So you had your tough guys, your sadists, and, in the Eastern camps, local talent with a high rate of ethnic hatred for those under their care. The result of this was that the rules were rigid, the punishments severe, and the treatment often brutal. Perhaps about what a black man in a Southern prison in the 40s might expect to see, with the addition of legalized summary executions for certain violations.

With the disintegration of the Reich and its orderly functionings, things got worse in the camps than on the outside in many cases, particularly when they began to hold ten times as many people as they were designed for, a result of rapidly shrinking borders as the Allied armies advanced. Malnutrition, disease, and neglect began to cut huge swaths through the camp populations. The inexplicable decision to bring trainloads of typhus and cholera infected inmates from the East back to Germany in the latter months and place them in camps with the healthy was all that was needed to turn a bad situation into a raging nightmare. It was at this point that some camps, such as Bergen-Belsen, truly became "death camps" but by a combination of evils and misfortunes, not by design. There are those who try to make the case that German hatred of Jєωs was so intense that they purposely set up these charnel centers to see them die in even greater misery by slow starvation. This monstrous accusation is understandable on the part of those victimized, or those seeing the piles of emaciated bodies and not understanding why, but surely no rational person can believe that a people that demented could have waged war against hugely superior forces for five years while implementing idiocies of this scale.

Addressing crimes of the sort alleged in stock h0Ɩ0cαųst literature, yes, there were criminals among the camp personnel too. Prisoners were treated badly, maimed and killed by their guards and kapos. Just as occurs in any brutal prison system, and about at the same levels. Consider that the German field units were some of the most disciplined the world has seen, evidenced partly by the fact that the Wehrmacht in the East executed 15,000 of its own troops for violations of rules and orders. Rapists, thieves, and random murderers were not tolerated by the military, nor by the darkly idealistic SS and party members, lurid tales to the contrary notwithstanding. And yes, the camps were not the venue of the Wehrmacht, but the attitude of stringent adherence to "the rules" existed throughout German society, where simply expressing negativism about the course of the war could earn you a summary execution if the wrong people heard it.

It was a time that called for the best effort of every person in order for the group to survive, and all Germans knew this. I spoke not long ago to a gentleman who was 13 years old when the Russians were about to overrun the city of Danzig. After an air raid, he recounted seeing two women who had been scrounging for food in the rubble placed against a nearby wall and shot. When I reacted to this he quickly said, "Ah yes! It was a terrible thing. There were many terrible things, but everyone knew that there was a war on and that looters were shot without question. If disorder were allowed to set in, it would all be over, and even though we didn't like these things we knew that was how it had to be. Everybody knew, including those women."

Loose cannons simply were not tolerated. A camp guard caught killing inmates at random for his own pleasure would have been collared, given a summary court if he were a German, and publicly executed without delay. In fact, this happened to more than one camp commander, usually for participating in the black markets which flourished in camps where legend has it that a few hundred guards managed to keep their eyes on every movement of more than a hundred thousand people at all hours of the day and night. That isn't even true of our high-security prisons and it assuredly was not the case in these huge, sprawling camps. The greatest portion of brutal maltreatment almost assuredly came from predations of prisoners on prisoners, a surmise backed up by knowledge of "ordinary" prisons, and descriptions given by gulag survivors. It was every person for themselves, and only the strong survived, a fact of brutal prison life that comes through in muted tones in the survivor accounts that seek to focus attention on more bizarre kinds of cruelties and murders that are, on examination, the products of traumatized and vengeance bent minds.

Yes, the camps were hideously bad places for many. But not any more so than their equals at Andersonville, the Russian gulags, the British death camps for Boer civilians in South Africa, the reeducation death camps of Cambodia, and on and on. When it comes to mistreating one's helpless fellow humans, the Germans can claim no exclusivity, and the first claims of successful genocides are to be found in the book of Deuteronomy, the first hard-verified instances in the European empire building years (Arawaks, Tasmanians, various Native American and African tribes, etc.). The Last of the Mohicans didn't get that way because of declining birth rates brought about by erosion of family values in the increasingly technological society around him, disease and predation brought by men who considered themselves the superior beings brought him and his timeless ilk down.

When addressing the subject of murdering prisoners, we are speaking of an evil that has resided in the midst of all human societies since the dawn of time. The terrible mistake in focusing on this one instance as somehow unique - horribly, hugely so, in fact - is that it masks the just stated reality, and in so doing helps mightily to insure its recurrence, not prevent it. By placing it apart from "us" we are able to justify, again and again, that our slaughter of the moment is "different" and all but unavoidable. As when our Secretary of State says on a national TV show that 500,000 Iraqi children dying of disease and malnutrition brought about by our embargo is certainly unfortunate, but when looked at in its broader scope "we" have reluctantly concluded that it is a price that the Iraqi people brought on themselves and now must pay. God help us when we begin to swallow this appalling criminality without protest, or even notice. Such reasoning is nothing short of astonishing when viewed from an outside perspective, and perspective is the major problem. When we look at the German/Jєωιѕн experience, we look at ourselves, and that is the thing we should Never Forget.

Buchenwald

After the liberation, between 1945 and 1950 the camp was administered by the Soviet Union and served as a Special Camp No. 2 of the NKVD. Initially used for housing German war criminals, with time it was converted into a standard detention site for political prisoners and opposition to Soviet rule.

Between 1945 and 1950, 28,455 prisoners, including 1,000 women, were held by the Soviet Union at Buchenwald. Prisoners consisted of political prisoners, nαzι perpetrators, Hitler Youth leaders and members, as well as a large number people imprisoned due to identity confusion and arbitrary arrests.

The Soviets would not allow mail or visitation to prisoners. They also would not attempt to determine the guilt of any individual prisoner.

In all, 7,113 prisoners would die at the camp while in the Soviet Union's control. The dead were buried in mass graves by the rail yard and no notification was sent to family members upon death.

On January 16, 1950 the camp was passed to the civilian authorities of the GDR and included 2,415 prisoners. In October 1950, it was decreed that the camp would be torn down. The main gate, crematorium, the Hospital Block and two guard towers escaped demolition. All prisoner barracks and other buildings were demolished.

 Foundations of some of the buildings still exist and many others have been rebuilt. According to the Buchenwald Memorial web site, "the combination of obliteration and preservation was dictated by a specific concept for interpreting the history of Buchenwald cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ."

The first monument was erected days after the initial liberation. Intended as completely temporary, it was built by the prisoners and was made of wood. The second monument to commemorate the dead was erected there in 1958 by the GDR near the mass graves. Inside the camp, there is a living monument in the place of the first monument and is kept at skin temperature year round.

Most of the nαzι cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs were destroyed after the war, though some (such as Dachau cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ) were made into permanent memorials.

However, not all of the inmates were released by the Allies; ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ prisoners were not freed but were instead made to serve out their sentence under Paragraph 175, Germany's (pre-nαzι) anti-sodomy law.

anty said:(How odd & think at what is happening today with our military & government)

The guards' quarters at Auschwitz I were used as a hospital for sick released prisoners.

Dachau was used as a prison for arrested nαzιs and after that as cheap working-class housing.

Dachau was used for many years thereafter as a residence for refugees.

The memorial site
Years later, former prisoners banded together to erect a memorial on the site of the camp, finding it unbelievable that there were still persons (refugees) living in the camp under those conditions.

The display, which was reworked in 2003, takes the visitor through the path of new arrivals to the camp. Special presentations of some of the notable prisoners are also provided. One of the barracks has been rebuilt to show a cross-section of the entire history of the camp, since the original barracks had to be torn down due to their poor condition when the memorial was built. The other 32 barracks are indicated by concrete foundations.

The memorial includes four chapels for the various religions represented among the prisoners.

The local government resisted designating the complete site a memorial. The former SS guard barracks are now home for the Munich police SWAT.

Yes it didn't take long for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity to rise to the top, so to speak.  Now they are feted, rather than condemned.  BUT.  I believe that they are treated in this manner in order to escalate the decay of America, which is a sure sign that our gov't is in the hands of the enemy.

Yeah & put that with what you are finding out about the 'PLAYERS' of WW1 & WW2 ,it begins to make sense at what is happening!!!

Soviet Union:
"Mass Graves containing the bodies of 12,500"

Investigators digging at the site of a Soviet-run prison camp in the former East Germany have uncovered mass graves containing the bodies of 12,500 people, the Brandenburg state government said today.

The camp was at Sachsenhausen, north of Berlin, and was open from 1945 to 1950. Victims were said to have included real and supposed supporters of the defeated Third Reich, as well as citizens considered unfriendly to Communist authorities.

Until the Communist Government of East Germany collapsed in 1990, it was impossible to conduct research like that now under way at Sachsenhausen. Similar excavations are underway at other sites, and officials expect further discoveries like the one announced today.

The excavation around Sachsenhausen revealed 50 graves, each about 25 feet long and 13 feet wide. Under the earth, bodies were stacked in heaps as high as 15 feet and higher.
Pathologists have determined that most of the victims died of starvation, exposure or communicable diseases. Some had evidently been beaten. Most were children, adolescents and elderly people.

In the years after the end of World War II, occupying Soviet forces imprisoned thousands of Germans. Many were accused of war crimes, and their trials were perfunctory if they were held at all. Some were simply picked off the street, victims of Stalinist crackdowns.

The victims were taken to one of a network of prison camps. Some of them, like the one at Sachsenhausen and another at Buchenwald, were built on the sites of nαzι cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs.

The German Government estimated that 65,000 people died in those Soviet run camps or in transportation to them.
During the four decades of Communist rule in East Germany, memorials were built at places like Sachsenhausen and Buchenwald. But the memorials implied that the camps closed at the war's end. They did not mention that in the post-nαzι era, the camps became brutal Soviet-run military prisons.
Source : The New York Times - September 24, 1992

Soviet secret police agency NKVD

The NKVD is best known for the Main Directorate for State Security (GUGB), which succeeded the OGPU and the Cheka as the secret police agency of the Soviet Union.

The GUGB was instrumental in Stalin's ethnic cleansing and genocides, and was responsible for massacres of civilians and other war crimes. Many consider the NKVD to be a criminal organization, mostly for the activities of GUGB officers and investigators, as well as supporting NKVD troops and GULAG guards.

The NKVD was also responsible for administering Stalin's foreign intelligence service and overseas 'special operations'. These NKVD sub-branches were reponsible for the recruitment of spies and gathering of political, military, and economic intelligences from other countries, the liquidation of political enemies residing outside the Soviet Union, subversion of foreign governments, and enforcing Stalinist policy within Communist Party movements in other countries.
In addition to its state security and police functions, however, some of its departments handled other matters, such as transport, fire guards, border guard (NKVD Border Troops), etc., the tasks that were traditionally assigned to the Ministry of the Interior (MVD).

It's generally the Jєωs who tell us the most and now I see why.  They are the religeous Jєωs, the Torah Jєωs.  Good for them.  I begin to see a difference now.

Give us the link, Anty, this is good stuff.

http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/soviet.htm
near bottom of page

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n1p-9_Sack.html