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"Neo-cons are like fascists and nαzιs!"
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2013, 10:25:08 PM »
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Also in accordnace with the "union-busting" you do realize of course unions are needed to safeguard a worker's livelihood?


I agree... I support unions before traitorous, money-worshiping, job-killing, corporate plutocratic shareholders and CEOs any day. However, under nationalist libertarianism, a corporation has a right to move a factory from Michigan, where it pays its union workers $30 an hour, to Mississippi and pay NON-union workers $15 an hour if the company chooses to make this move. I believe they have a right to it, but I do NOT believe they have a right to move over-seas to pay slave labor wages, effectively eliminating American jobs. Nationalist Libertariansim would hold this view, too.

NAFTA is not real free trade, rather, it is managed trade that benefit special interests of mega-corporations involved...  This is why real libertarians and Ron Paul do NOT support it.

Who says (economic) libertarianism cannot exist only in the confines of American economic policy, while being nationalist and protectionist to external forces? I would say Pat Buchanan is an ECONOMIC libertarian nationalist, too. He believes in unregulated free markets INSIDE the U.S. and keeping jobs/factories HERE, by mandate if necessary, while using tariffs and embargoes on foreign nations who try to engage in a trade war with us.

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Also America's values pretty much extend to freedom, individualism, hedonism, and consumerism


Only consumerism and hedonism, but NOT freedom and individualism. Did you miss the memo about NDAA-indefinite detention; "Patriot" Act; TSA molesting Americans at airports and radiation emitting scanners; HR 347; drones in U.S. skies spying on citizens; NSA data-mining American citizens; warrantless wiretapping; regulations making it difficult for small businesses to get started; capital gains taxes; inheritance tax; needing a permit or license to do the most trivial of tasks; etc.??

"Neo-cons are like fascists and nαzιs!"
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2013, 05:34:36 AM »
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Um anyone who fights for their nation is considered a nationalist.


By the globalists, using their usual tactics to mislead people, and unfortunately some Catholics are buying their nonsense as well. When you attack their destructive ideas, you get labelled as a 'nationalist', 'fascist', 'neo-nαzι' etc. almost instantly.  the historical meaning of the term nationalism, however, is the following:

Quote from: Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, The Present Crisis of the Holy See
This movement, which is the key of the so-called great Western schism, is the rationale also of the Reformation; and the last three hundred years have given a development and intensity to the spirit of separate nationalism, of which we as yet see no more than the preludes. I need not point out how this nationalism is essentially schismatical, which is to be seen not only in the Anglican Reformation, but in the Gallican liberties, and the contentions of Portugal in Europe and in India, to name no more.




"Neo-cons are like fascists and nαzιs!"
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2013, 12:23:42 PM »
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I agree... I support unions before traitorous, money-worshiping, job-killing, corporate plutocratic shareholders and CEOs any day. However, under nationalist libertarianism, a corporation has a right to move a factory from Michigan, where it pays its union workers $30 an hour, to Mississippi and pay NON-union workers $15 an hour if the company chooses to make this move. I believe they have a right to it, but I do NOT believe they have a right to move over-seas to pay slave labor wages, effectively eliminating American jobs. Nationalist Libertariansim would hold this view, too.


Obviously I believe in a national free-trade system amongst the states, however I do not support international free trade. Obviously I do not support the closed shop either where workers are forced to pay union dues. I also find it a betrayal of the working-class that the unions have sided with immigration. However I do agree with the unions when it comes to trade policy. I think the jobs moving south to the right-to-work states has been one reason unions are dying.

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NAFTA is not real free trade, rather, it is managed trade that benefit special interests of mega-corporations involved...  This is why real libertarians and Ron Paul do NOT support it.


Oh come on NAFTA is definitely free trade, along with the MFN with China. I of course have been a strong opponent of NAFTA since not only did it move jobs south to Mexico but it brought Mexicans and drugs up north to America. Also Bush did not preside over a "jobless recovery" since under the MFN he created millions of jobs in China by his free trade policy. I will admit that a few libertarians were against NAFTA however libetarians support open borders and social liberalism when it comes to the social issues.

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Who says (economic) libertarianism cannot exist only in the confines of American economic policy, while being nationalist and protectionist to external forces? I would say Pat Buchanan is an ECONOMIC libertarian nationalist, too. He believes in unregulated free markets INSIDE the U.S. and keeping jobs/factories HERE, by mandate if necessary, while using tariffs and embargoes on foreign nations who try to engage in a trade war with us.


I agree with raising tariffs high enough to provide the federal government revenue but not high enough where foreign countries won't trade with us. I also oppose embargos because they always hurt the people of the country instead of the dictators, and it harms American farmers who try to sell their crops to foreign countries. Obviously the GOP is just like FDR when it comes to trade policy since it supports free trade. Also we must consider morality more important than economics. I despise this obsession with economics, when pioliticians should be talking about the sickness of Hollywood and putting Disney out of business.

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Only consumerism and hedonism, but NOT freedom and individualism. Did you miss the memo about NDAA-indefinite detention; "Patriot" Act; TSA molesting Americans at airports and radiation emitting scanners; HR 347; drones in U.S. skies spying on citizens; NSA data-mining American citizens; warrantless wiretapping; regulations making it difficult for small businesses to get started; capital gains taxes; inheritance tax; needing a permit or license to do the most trivial of tasks; etc.??


Obviously individualism is an American value, which by the way is very liberal. Historically liberalism argued for the good of the individual over the community. I opposed the airport scans and the Patriot Act, along with the assasination of Americans by executive order since it seemed like Big Brother Government but let's face it compared to other countries America has an obsession with freedom, espeically when it comes to freedom of filth and degeneracy. I support stopping the burden of regulations on small businesses and lowering the capital gains tax and inheritance tax but I do not support unregulated capitalism.

By the way this freedom obsession sounds to me like the Bush Doctrine when it comes to making the whole world more free and democratic. Of course Bush showed how much sense he had when he made this comment, "Is we learning?" I guess to the freedom-lovers out there all of the monarchies and dictatorships throughout history were "unsuccessful socities." As for me I am very authoritarian, I am a right-wing tyrant. :wink:

"Neo-cons are like fascists and nαzιs!"
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2013, 12:50:29 PM »
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By the globalists, using their usual tactics to mislead people, and unfortunately some Catholics are buying their nonsense as well. When you attack their destructive ideas, you get labelled as a 'nationalist', 'fascist', 'neo-nαzι' etc. almost instantly.  the historical meaning of the term nationalism, however, is the following:


Obviously I am a Catholic and consider my religion superior to Protestantism however I also realize race, ethnicity, and culture can tear a nation apart.