hi all,


 I am reading a lot on this forum that Jєωιѕн people go to hell when they die..... as you believe there is no salvation outside the catholic church. I am not discussing this as an issue...


What I want to know... when was the cut off point to when the Jєωs stopped being "God's chosen people" to being "condemned".

It couldn't have been when Jesus was born as St Joseph, St Anne etc all went to heaven and the church hadn't started then.

Was it the moment of Jesus' resurrection when Jєωs were automatically condemned because they weren't "christian" ??



I am so confused!!!!!!!!!!!

Xavier, the way for a Jєω to avoid eternal damnation is to reject his false religion, embracing the Catholic Faith, thus accepting Jesus Christ as Messiah and Saviour. There is no other way. So we must always pray for their conversion. One decade of our Rosary is always dedicated to this cause.

So is America and many other nations. Our Lady asked for the conversion of Russia.

We must pray for both - the conversion of Russia and the conversion of Jєωs.

Could she have been thinking of the conversion of the Orthodox? 

Back on topic... There are plenty of threads to take up on this.

The Council of Florence says up until the promulgation of the Gospel, the old law practices were tolerated, that is, approximately upon the death of St. John, but after that, if anyone practiced the Jєωιѕн Law, or any of its components (seders, circuмcision, etc), without repenting, he would be lost.  So it seems the New Law was binding quite early, but that provisions for those who were getting away from the practices and didn't believe they were salvific were tolerated for a while.  

Council of Florence
It firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to the divine worship at that time, after our Lord’s coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of the law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. Yet it does not deny that after the passion of Christ up to the promulgation of the Gospel they could have been observed until they were believed to be in no way necessary for salvation; but after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts that they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation. All, therefore, who after that time observe circuмcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors. Therefore, it commands all who glory in the name of Christian, at whatever time, before or after baptism, to cease entirely from circuмcision, since, whether or not one places hope in it, it cannot be observed at all without the loss of eternal salvation.

but what about the Jєωιѕн people in different countries during that time, through no fault of their own hadn't heard of the life/death/resurrection of Jesus?

What different countries and what time are you referring to?

Jєωs are, by definition, those who know that the Messiah was to come, but when He did come, they rejected Him. All Jєωs know about Jesus.

So is America and many other nations. Our Lady asked for the conversion of Russia.

We must pray for both - the conversion of Russia and the conversion of Jєωs.

Could she have been thinking of the conversion of the Orthodox?

Back on topic... There are plenty of threads to take up on this.

and the conversion of America

but what about the Jєωιѕн people in different countries during that time, through no fault of their own hadn't heard of the life/death/resurrection of Jesus?

Don't engage in vainglory.  Our Lord chose who was to be in His Presence and who was to hear His Word.  It only seems like random happenstance events because we cannot know what God knows.
All things are governed by God and if Our Lord wanted some soul on some isolated island in the Pacific Ocean, He would have made it happen by either having a steam ship be diverted to that island for refuge from a storm or for a hurricane to blow a Holy Book onto that island to be found by that soul or by the establishment of a small missionary church. 
The souls who need prayers are the ones who still walk in darkness now.