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Defense of the Holy Albigensian Crusades
« on: August 10, 2021, 10:39:08 AM »
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  • This text is an extract from the apologetic work Histoire partiale, histoire vraie, by Jean Guiraud, (Beauchesne editions, 1912). At a time when the textbooks of the Third Republic were beginning to display a partial explanation of the history of the Church and  everything related to it, Jean Guiraud began to dismantle piece by piece the false arguments of anticlericalism.

    In his work Histoire partial, historie vraie, [Partial History, True History], he devoted a chapter to each theme. In each chapter, he began by quoting questionable excerpts from textbooks before delivering the rebuttal.

    Aulard et Debidour (Cours Supérieur, p. 91).

    “The Cathars (or pure) sect... condemned the corruption and excesses of the Church and wanted, while simplifying worship, to bring Christian morality back to a perfect purity. ... Pope Innocent III ordered a crusade against them in 1208 that lasted more than twenty years and was only a long robbery. … Large towns were burned down, entire populations were massacred without sparing women and children: the whole of the South of France was looted, set on fire and stained with blood.”

    (Middle course, p. 29)

    “The Albigensians, the population of the South of France who did not understand the Christian religion in the same way as the Catholics, were exterminated in the thirteenth century by the will of Pope Innocent III.”

    (Récits familiers, p. 71)

    “The clergy had become very corrupt, so part of the people demanded that the Church be subjected to a reform whose supporters, many especially in the south of France, were generally called Albigensians.… The Crusaders from the North behaved with ferocity; they burned their prisoners by the hundreds.

    Brossolette (Middle Course, p. 22).

    “The Albigensians no longer fully practiced the Catholic religion.… Béziers, Narbonne, Toulouse were sacked.”

    Four images: 1. The heretics of the South flouting St. Dominic; 2. the Count of Toulouse doing penance and beaten by priests; 3. the sac of Béziers; 4. the Ombrives cave where Albigensians were walled up.

    Devinat (Elementary course, p. 58).

    “At the call of the pope who could not convert them, the knights of northern France rushed on the Albigensians.”

    (Middle Course, p. 14).

    “The Pope first had monks preach, especially a Spanish monk called Dominic; but the heretics …did not submit. So the Pope resorted to the sword.”

    Calvet (Middle Course, p. 42).

    “It was a horrible slaughter.”  p. 36. “The inhabitants of Languedoc were suspected of heresy.”(Cf. Preparatory course, p. 36).

    (Elementary course, p. 58). “In the South of France the Church was not loved; thus it was said that the priests hid their tonsure so as not to be insulted.… The inhabitants were indeed heretics. … Pope Innocent III sent a legate to the Count of Toulouse Raymond VI, to recall him to the faith. The legate was αssαssιnαtҽd. .… Indignant, he preached a crusade.”

    Gauthier and Deschamps (Cours Supérieur, p. 34).

    "(The Albigensians)... simple people, of peaceful but not austere customs, who lived outside the Church. At the call of Innocent III, thousands of looters from the North rushed into the beautiful country of the troubadours.…The leader of the looters, Simon de Montfort, as a price for his exploits, received from the pope the estates of the unfortunate Count of Toulouse…. Those who resisted were tortured, then buried alive in a dungeon.... This monstrous, inexcusable war, which destroyed the brilliant civilization of the South, ... brought together Occitan France and France oïl.”

    (Middle course, p. 12). “Louis VIII made the mistake of participating in the abominable crusade.”

    Guiot and Mane (Cours Supérieur, p. 86).

    "The Albigensians, happy population, peacefully addicted to commerce, who cultivate poetry, the harmonious and sonorous language of the troubadours. … Death to them! … They had ideas reputed to be heretical.”

    (Middle course, p. 52).

    “The prosperity of the towns of Languedoc excited the envy of the lords of the North; the inhabitants of the South were accused of heresy.”

    Rogie and Despiques (Cours Supérieur, p. 131)

    “The doctrine of the Albigensians wanted to restore the purity and simplicity of the customs of the first men.”

    The crusade against the Albigensians is one of the great historical facts for which textbook writers and “secular” historians blame the Church most bitterly. To accentuate their grievances, they charge the Holy See with all the responsibility, while on the other hand they paint an idyllic picture of the beliefs and customs of the Albigensians.

    Before examining the sincerity of the arguments they used in both cases, a preliminary observation is in order.

    Anticlerical contradictions concerning the Albigenses

    Let us note first of all that our authors sometimes contradict each other so well that we only have to pit them against each other to cast doubt on their accounts.

    If we believe Aulard and Debidour and Rogie and Despiques, the Albigensians would have liked to reform the mores of the clergy. Austere, enamored with virtue and holiness, they would have been scandalized by the easy life led in the South of France by the Catholic Church, and would have liked to remedy it by bringing it back to the pure practices of primitive Christianity.

    On the contrary Gauthier and Deschamps write that the Albigensians were simple people, of peaceful and not very austere customs. What was the origin of this struggle and who should bear the responsibility? It is the Church, which out of fanaticism unleashed war on peaceful and harmless men, say Aulard and Debidour, Devinat, Gauthier and Deschamps.

    It was the lords of the North who, driven by greed, took the defense of orthodoxy as a pretext and set on the populations whose fortunes and lands they coveted, say Guiot and Mane.

    And when the Church preached the crusade against the Albigensians, what was her motive? Fanaticism, the most “secular” authors insinuate. Being annoyed at not being able to convert the South, writes Devinat. The desire to avenge his legate murdered by order of the Count of Toulouse, says Calvet.

    These contradictions prove to us that the problems raised by the Albigensian crusade were multiple and delicate; most historians have seen only one side of the question, the others have avoided them. The friend of scientific truth must consider them all.

    When he does, he will realize that the facts are more complex than our simple-minded historians generally think and that the responsibilities are very much shared in a war that was both religious and political, whose combatants had been set in motion by the most disparate motives: faith and ambition, the service of God and the love of plunder, and which, finally, was directed both by the chiefs of lay feudalism and the representatives of the Church.

    To blame Catholicism for events that were inspired by feudal politics, acts of cruelty and spoliation dictated by greed and ambition, would be supremely unjust, especially if it is shown that the Church protested against those events and condemned those acts. It is therefore with the greatest precautions that we must approach this most delicate question involving all of them, freeing ourselves from party prejudices and passions, to let only the texts speak.

    The most contradictory judgments are made by anti-Catholic historians on the beliefs and customs of the Albigensians.

    Calvet tells us that they were only “suspected of heresy,” Guiot and Mane that they had “ideas deemed heretical,” and Brossolette “that they did not fully practice the Catholic religion.”

    The conclusion these authors want to suggest is that the repression was as barbaric and odious as it was weak and the nuance that distinguished the Albigenses from the Catholics was almost imperceptible.

    Gauthier and Deschamps, on the contrary, tell us that the Albigensians “remained outside the Church.” Of these two statements, contradictory or at least quite different from each other, that of Gauthier and Deschamps is the true one.

    In reality, the metaphysics and theology of the Cathars were at odds with Christian metaphysics and theology. The Church teaches that God is one, the Cathars that there are two gods, the good god and the bad god, both eternal, equally powerful, and constantly fighting against each other. The Church says that our world was created by God under the action of His love and that man received existence from his Creator for his good.

    The Cathars preached that nature and man are the work of the evil god, of whom they are the plaything and victims on whom he constantly exercises his malignancy. For Christians, Christ is God Himself, coming into this world to expiate the original sin of humanity, through the work of Redemption. For the Cathars, it was an eon [spiritual power] or distant emanation of the divinity, that came to bring to man the knowledge of his origins and thereby to remove him, not by virtue of his blood, but only by his doctrine, from his miserable servitude. So on all counts, it was a declared antagonism between Christianity and Albigensism.

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    Re: Defense of the Holy Albigensian Crusades
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  • This text is an extract from the apologetic work of Jean Guiraud, Histoire partiale, histoire vraie (Beauchesne editions, 1912). Jean Guiraud dismantles piece by piece the false arguments of anticlericalism. A chapter is devoted to the Crusade against the Albigensians. The first article summarized the arguments of the anticlericals and showed their contradictions. The second examines the doctrine of the Albigensians.

    Hostility Toward Christianity

    From their metaphysical and theological doctrines, the Albigensians practiced a morality in formal opposition to Christian morality, and Aulard and Debidour are grossly mistaken when they present them to us as simply wanting “to bring Christian morality back to perfect purity”; in reality, their moral ideal was the opposite of the Christian ideal, and no reconciliation was possible between the two.

    Whatever the different ways in which Christians have tried to put their principles into practice, however, the theory which the Church presents to us of life, of its value, and of the goal towards which it should strive, can be summed up in a few sure propositions.

    For the Church, the life of this world is but a test. Inclined towards evil by the bad instincts of his flawed nature, the seductions and weaknesses of the flesh, and the devil’s temptations, man is called to the good by divine law, the good tendencies that the original fall was not able to make entirely disappear in him, and especially by the divine assistance that he can have for the asking, which increases tenfold the strength of the human will without destroying its liberty and responsibility, and which we call grace.

    Perfection consists in overcoming the bad instincts of the flesh, so that the body remains what it should be, the servant of the soul; to subordinate all the movements of the soul to charity, that is, to the love of God, in such a way that God is both the beginning and the end of man, of all his energies, of all his actions.

    For this, we must accept the trials of life with resignation, traversing them with courage and making all the circuмstances in the midst of which we find ourselves opportunities for sanctification and salvation. Who does not see consequently that for the Christian, life has an infinite value, since it provides him with the means of acquiring holiness and eternal beatitude which is the consequence of it? Who does not see that, for him, the most vulgar actions take on a supernatural nobility when, done for God, they appear as a reflection of eternity, “sub specie æternitatis”?

    Its Theological and Metaphysical Doctrines

    The idea of life that the Albigensian drew from his conception of God and the universe was quite different. Proceeding from the belief in good and evil through a double creation, man was a living contradiction: the soul and the body that composed him could never be reconciled.

    To claim to want to bring them into harmony was as absurd as wanting to unite opposites: night and day, good and evil, God and Satan. In the body, the soul was but a captive and its torment was as great as that of those unfortunate people who were once tied to corpses. It could only find peace by taking back possession of its spiritual life, and it could only do so through separation from the body.

    The divorce of these two irreconcilable elements, that is, death—death not only as endured but embraced as a deliverance,—was the first step towards happiness. Everything that preceded and delayed it was misery and tyranny. This world was but a prison and human actions were despicable because, exercised by a corrupt body, they carried with them the stigma of its corruption.

    Its Morality

    From then on, ѕυιcιdє became essential: it was the direct consequence of such principles, the only duty of life being to destroy it.

    Among the Cathars, as Msgr. Douais tells us, ѕυιcιdє was, so to speak, the order of the day. “We saw some who had their veins cut open and died in a bath; others took poisonous potions, those who had beaten themselves.”

    Endura appears to have been the most common mode of ѕυιcιdє among the Albigensians. It consisted in letting oneself die of hunger. Doellinger noted several cases of this in depositions made to the Inquisition in 1308 and contained in Latin manuscript 4,269 of the French National Library.

    Without making this practice an absolute duty, the leaders of the sect encouraged it and presented it as a great mark of holiness. By putting the “consoled” in endura immediately after their initiation, the leaders guaranteed that by a prompt death, “ne perderent bonum quod receperant,” they would not lose the good that they had received through any attempt at apostasy and sin.

    While all Albigensians did not kill themselves, they nevertheless believed in their duty to dry up in themselves as much as possible the sources and manifestations of life. They looked upon as their role models and saints those of them who had reached the depths of annihilation, nirvana. They were found in Languedoc.

    Barbeguera, wife of Lobent, Lord of Puylaurens, went to see one of these Perfects out of curiosity. “It appeared to her,” she said, “as the strangest wonder. He had been sitting in his chair for a very long time, motionless like a tree trunk, indifferent to his surroundings.”

    Negation of Marriage

    The Albigensian theory of marriage was the logical consequence of their deeply pessimistic idea of life. If life was, as they taught, the greatest evil, one should not be content to destroy it in oneself through ѕυιcιdє or nirvana; it was also necessary to be careful not to communicate it to new beings who were made to participate in the common misfortune of humanity, by bringing them into existence.

    Also, when the Cathars conferred the initiation of the Consolamentum, they made the initiate subscribe to a commitment to perpetual chastity. Albigensian ministers kept repeating that a man sinned with his wife as with any other, the contract and the sacrament of marriage being for them only the legalization and regularization of debauchery.

    In the fierce intransigence of their chastity, the Pures of the thirteenth century found the formula adopted today by the supporters of free union and of the right to sɛҳuąƖ pleasure: "Matrimonium est meretricium, marriage is legal concubinage.”

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    Re: Defense of the Holy Albigensian Crusades
    « Reply #3 on: August 10, 2021, 12:02:47 PM »
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  • In reality, the metaphysics and theology of the Cathars were at odds with Christian metaphysics and theology. The Church teaches that God is one, the Cathars that there are two gods, the good god and the bad god, both eternal, equally powerful, and constantly fighting against each other. The Church says that our world was created by God under the action of His love and that man received existence from his Creator for his good.

    The Cathars preached that nature and man are the work of the evil god, of whom they are the plaything and victims on whom he constantly exercises his malignancy. For Christians, Christ is God Himself, coming into this world to expiate the original sin of humanity, through the work of Redemption. For the Cathars, it was an eon [spiritual power] or distant emanation of the divinity, that came to bring to man the knowledge of his origins and thereby to remove him, not by virtue of his blood, but only by his doctrine, from his miserable servitude. So on all counts, it was a declared antagonism between Christianity and Albigensism.

    The Cathars/Albigensians were straight-up gnostics. The pure ones (Cathars) can, by pursuing occult knowledge, see that Original Sin is just a superstition. This gives them the ability, they believe, to concoct their own libertinistic moral system that allows them to justify any and all sin.
     
    This is just one head of the gnostic hydra. Other examples are Kabbala, Manicheaism, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Marxism, etc. They all arise from secret (occult) knowledge that is given to them by acts of "worshiping" Satan. These people set up elaborate theological rationalizations for justifying sin, when in simplest terms, they just refuse to serve the Holy Trinity (non serviam) and the Truth that is Jesus Christ.

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    Re: Defense of the Holy Albigensian Crusades
    « Reply #4 on: August 10, 2021, 12:41:51 PM »
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  • My mother was raised near Albi France when the family migrated from Poland. Albi has am imposing cathedral that looks like a fortress, dating back to the time of the heresy. 

    Inside though is the usual wondrous display of Gothic architecture.
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster


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    Re: Defense of the Holy Albigensian Crusades
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  • After considering the morality of Albigensianism and its negation of marriage, we must note its fundamental licentiousness and its rejection of the family.

    Marriage and Libertinism

    The heretics had such an aversion to marriage that they went so far as to declare that libertinism was preferable to it and that it was more serious “to do the act of the flesh with his wife than with another woman.”

    This was not a joke, for they gave a reason for this opinion which was entirely in accordance with their principles. It can often happen, they said, that one is ashamed of one's misconduct; in this case, if we indulge in it, we do it in secret. It is therefore always possible that one will repent and cease; and thus, almost always, libertinism is hidden and temporary.

    On the contrary, what is particularly serious in the state of marriage is that one is not ashamed of it and that one does not think of withdrawing from it, because one does not suspect the harm that is done there. This explains the really strange condescension the Perfects showed for the disorders of their adherents.

    They themselves made a profession of perpetual chastity, fleeing with horror the slightest occasion of impurity; and yet they admitted the concubines of the Believers into their society and made them participate in their most sacred rites, even when they had no intention of amending themselves.

    The Believers themselves had no qualms about retaining their mistresses while accepting the direction of the Perfects. Among the Believers who, around 1240, flocked to the preaching of Bertrand Marty, in Montségur, we can distinguish several false couples: “Guillelma Calveta, lover of Pierre Vitalis, Willelmus Raimundi of Roqua and Arnauda his lover, Pierre Aura and Boneta and his wife’s lover, Raimunda lover of Othon de Massabrac.”

    These concubines and bastards, who so often appear in Cathar assemblies, have caused these heretics to be accused of the most foul turpitude. It has been said that their rigorous doctrines were only a mask under which the worst excesses were concealed. Gauthier and Deschamps echo these accusations when they present the Albigensians as simple people, of peaceful and not austere morals.

    On the other hand, it is certain that the populations very often allowed themselves to be won over by the impression of austerity that the Perfects gave to them and that is what is alluded to by Aulard and Debidour, Rogie and Despiques when they talk about the pure morals of these heretics.

    It is easy to resolve this apparent contradiction by remembering that there were two kinds of Albigensians: the Believers who sympathized with the Cathar doctrines and were not completely under their influence; and the Perfects who fully adhered to it and practiced all of its prescriptions.

    As long as the Believers had not received the full initiation, if need be they could live with a woman, but outside the bonds of marriage. Any sɛҳuąƖ intercourse was undoubtedly bad, but cohabitation could be tolerated, but not marriage because, in the event of complete initiation, it seemed easier to sever an illegal bond.

    Negation of the Family

    It is unnecessary to dwell at length on the antisocial consequences of such a doctrine. It aimed at nothing less than the suppression of the essential element of all society, the family, by making of the whole of humanity a vast religious congregation without recruitment and without a future.

    While awaiting the advent of this state of affairs, which was to emerge from the triumph of the Cathar ideas, the Perfects gradually broke, as a result of the progress of their apostolate, the family ties already formed.

    Whoever wanted to be saved, before submitting to the law of rigorous chastity, the husband must left the wife, the wife the husband, the parents must abandon the children, fleeing a domestic hearth which inspired them only with horror, because the heresy taught them “that no one can save himself by staying with his father and mother.” And so all domestic morality disappeared, along with the family which was its raison d'être.

    This hatred of the family was, moreover, among the Albigensians only a particular form of their aversion to anything foreign to their sect. They refrained from any relationship with anyone who did not think like them, except when they deemed it possible to win them over to their own doctrines, and they made the same recommendation to their Believers.

    On the day of the examination of conscience or apparelhamentum, which presented itself every month, they demanded from the Believers a severe account of the relations which they had had with the infidels. And this is understandable: they considered their fellow man only he who, like them, had become by consolamentum, a son of God.

    As for the others who had remained in the evil world, they somehow belonged to another race and were strangers not to say enemies.

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