Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: Two Commentaries on Apoc. 13:16-17  (Read 712 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline DigitalLogos

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8304
  • Reputation: +4718/-754
  • Gender: Male
  • Slave to the Sacred Heart
    • Twitter
Two Commentaries on Apoc. 13:16-17
« on: August 09, 2021, 08:43:23 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Given all of the confusion about the Mark of the Beast, and the application of it to these mandatory "vaccines", I thought it would be prudent to look at two Catholic interpretations of St. John's Apocalypse in an effort to contextualize the mystery surrounding Apoc. 13:16-17:


    Quote
    And he shall make all, both little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand, or on their foreheads. And that no man might buy or sell, but he that hath the character, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    Take these for what you will. Both men spent a considerable amount of time studying numerous commentaries on the Apocalypse to draw their conclusions and interpretations. They are certainly fallible, but, perhaps can help to contextualize and dispel the concerns surrounding this "vaccine" in-and-of-itself as the "Mark".

    First, Fr. Kramer's The Book of Destiny:

    Quote
    5. The Mark Of The Beast.
    Verses 16 to end.

    Verse 16

    All classes of people whom the doctrines, and signs of Antichrist will captivate and mislead are named in this verse. Those who will not accept the true faith shall then be at the mercy of error. Another idea is contained in this verse: Antichrist will abolish all class distinction and make his followers alone the elite. It points to something like communism. The educated and refined, the uneducated and rude will submit.
    The mark of distinction borne by antichristians will be a brand like that seared on the forehead of slaves in Roman limes. Those who are steeped in vice, who are enthusiastic about Antichrist and are stupefied by the marvels of his signs will proclaim themselves his slaves and have his stamp put on their foreheads. Others will go still farther and have their right hands dedicated to him becoming his soldiers. This alludes to the signing of the faithful in chapter VII. The foreheads of all Christians are signed in the sacraments, while the hands of the priest are also annointed. The False Prophet may institute secret rites, through which the followers of Antichrist will be advanced by degrees into the deeper mysticism of his cult. A sort of diabolical sacramental system would thus be instituted conferring the graces of Satan and consecrating people to the service of the Beast. They will bear this mark of disgrace openly and thus easily recognize one another and those who do not follow the Beast. The adorers of the Beast will worship the animate statue in awe and reverence. And in the spiritual darkness into which sin has led them they are convinced, because they wish to be, that Antichrist is God.
    All commentators who try to force this chapter as fulfilled in St. John’s time are constrained to admit that they are confronted with a fact prophesied and not fulfilled, for those provincials who conformed to the caesar-cult were not branded as here stated. Since the preceding part of this chapter only uses the Roman empire existing then as a model for the description of the empire and times of Antichrist, so do these last verses. The Apocalypse is a genuine prophecy and depicts future history, whether we hold verbal dictation or not, and is not a mere poetic embellishment of existing conditions. Those commentators who do not see the foretelling of real future events in this prophecy find no satisfactory explanation for anything contained in it.

    Verse 17

    By the absence of the mark on the hand or forehead, the followers of the Beast will know those who have not adored him and will deprive them of all rights as far as they can. External submission to the Beast will be enforced wherever he gains control, and economic boycott will be employed against all who refuse. They will not be able to procure the necessities of life. Everyone who would engage in business must have the mark of the Beast on his forehead or right hand or profess belief in his divinity and reverence his name by wearing the number of it. The purpose is to drive out of business all who will not join the wicked, who alone aim to get control of the sources of wealth and exploit the laborers. Catholics will thus lose their property, and Antichrist will have the wealth of the world at his disposal to prosecute the war against the Christian nations and to compel submission to himself.
    A very similar thing was done in England after Protestantism was triumphant. Catholics were fined and fined again for not worshipping God in a Protestant way, until they were reduced to utter pauperism. Their property was confiscated, and all political rights were wrested from them. The tactics of the Roman empire were followed.
    If such boycott were resorted to in the United States, the whole economic structure of this immense nation would collapse. The economic balance is too exact to admit the imposition of such radical restrictions. Not only the 30,000,000 Catholics (they may be 100,000,000 by that time) would refuse adoration of the Beast, but the big majority even of those who are not friendly to the Catholic Church would spurn any interference with their liberty. Still the domination of Antichrist could be initiated as stealthily as the country was lured into the first world-war in 1917 against the wishes of the majority.
    Although at the time of these revelations, those who would not profess their belief in the divinity of the emperor and adore the gods of Rome could not hold an official position, and though emperor-worship had reached its height under Domitian, St. John could not have feared at this point in the revelations a speedy fulfillment of this verse, for the other visions had to become actuality first, and then the 200,000,000 horsemen had to destroy one third of mankind. He therefore did not write of his own time but of what was to come in the reign of Antichrist. During some of the later persecutions, statues of the gods of Rome were placed in the forums, and all customers had to offer incense and bow to them. But nothing such as is narrated in this verse occurred to coerce men to adore a statue of Caesar.

    Next, Fr. Sylvester Berry's Apocalypse of St. John:
    Quote
    16. The followers of Antichrist will be marked with a character in imitation of the sign that St. John saw upon the foreheads of the servants of God.'" This indicates that Antichrist and his prophet will introduce ceremonies to imitate the Sacraments of the Church. In fact there will be a complete organization—a church of Satan set up in opposition to the Church of Christ. Satan will assume the part of God the Father; Antichrist will be honored as Saviour, and his prophet will usurp the role of Pope. Their ceremonies will counterfeit the Sacraments and their works of magic be heralded as miracles. A similar project was attempted in the fourth century when Julian the Apostate counterfeited Catholic worship with pagan ceremonies in honor of Mithras and Cybele. He established a priesthood and instituted ceremonies in imitation of Baptism and Confirmation.

    17. During the persecution under Diocletian statues of the gods were set up in stores and market places where customers were obliged to honor them and offer incense. None could buy or sell without the contamination of pagan worship.'" In the days of Antichrist the false prophet will adopt similar tactics to accomplish the downfall of the faithful. No one will be able to buy or sell the necessities of life without implicating himself in the worship of Antichrist.

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

    Offline Shrewd Operator

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 193
    • Reputation: +110/-11
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Two Commentaries on Apoc. 13:16-17
    « Reply #1 on: August 09, 2021, 09:44:11 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • I've been wondering about some of the wonders that Antichrist will perform and what some of his talking points will be.

    In a post-apocalyptic world, (or late-apocalyptic world if you like), everything will likely be ruined by either WWIII or global chastisement. There will probably be no electricity, or other working infrastructure; yet the ruins of it will be all around. The first generation born after the dust settles will listen to the surviving generation talk about the glory days like those who lived through the Great Depression, WWII, or came out of Egypt. Politicians and hucksters will promise to bring back the glory of the fallen empire and end hunger. Antichrist will probably be the best at selling this vision. Besides claiming to be Divine, he will be able to use and understand all the old technology and anything that's being hidden now like UFO tech. I wonder if the passage where it talks about bringing a statue to life is a description of robotics. What would St. John call a robot?

    "Behold," says Antichrist, "I will give life to this my image, and it will stand and speak!"


    Offline Angelus

    • Supporter
    • ***
    • Posts: 1648
    • Reputation: +641/-127
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Two Commentaries on Apoc. 13:16-17
    « Reply #2 on: August 09, 2021, 10:34:53 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • With regard to "the mark," St. John is using the literary device of "allusion" in Apocalypse 13:16. Specifically, he is alluding to Deuteronomy 6:8:


    Quote
    And thou shalt bind them as a sign on thy hand, and they shall be and shall move between thy eyes.


    The Jews wrongly interpreted that verse in Deuteronomy to mean that they should literally tie little boxes with prayer notes on their hand and their forehead. That looks like this. But instead of the incorrect Jєωιѕн literal interpretation, the proper interpretation should be a figurative one. As Haydock's notes to the Douay-Rheims Bible says: 


    Quote
    The design of this injunction was not, however, to enforce the wearing of such bandages, as the Pharisees imagined, (matt. xxiii,5) but to put all in mind that they ought to meditate frequently upon the commandments and regulate their lives by their direction.


    Just as the literal interpretation of Deut. 6:8 was wrong, so any interpretation that misses the figurative meaning in St. John's allusion in Apoc. 13:16 is wrong as well. Protestants constantly make overly-literal interpretive mistakes like that. Catholics should avoid doing that.

    That section in Deuteronomy 6 is referencing "the Greatest Commandment, i.e., "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole strength." (Deut. 6:5). What St. John is describing in Apoc. 13:16 is "the Great Apostasy," which is discussed in 2 Thessalonians 2 by St. Paul. Those who "take the mark of the Beast" are rejecting "the Greatest Commandment." Instead of loving "the Lord", they are loving "themselves," or collectively mankind. The number of "the Beast" is "the number of man [arithmos gar anthropos]." The number 6 is the number of mankind because man was created on the 6th day. The number 6 is trebled to emphasize the idolatry of man, the ideology of atheistic, communistic humanism that will be substituted for the worship of the Holy Trinity.

    Those who "take the mark" are those deceived souls spoken of by St. Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2, i.e., those who love sinning more that the truth. Those who "don't take the mark" are those who love the truth of the Catholic faith and are given the gift of discernment by the Holy Spirit to see through the deception that most others cannot see. But for a 3.5 year period, the followers of "the Beast" will persecute the small Holy Remnant who does not apostatize from the authentic Magisterium of the Catholic Faith. This period of persecution will have a literal economic component, which should be obvious to those of us paying attention to current events.

    The vaccine and related certificate is definitely what is being referenced in the Apocalypse. It is not "the mark" because "the mark" is figurative. But the vaccine certificate will be the mechanism that brings about the prophesied effect of "the mark," i.e., the economic apartheid which is coming soon. 

    Don't get to caught up in an overly-literal interpretation, and I think you will see that I speak the truth.


    Offline xavierpope

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 459
    • Reputation: +121/-93
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Two Commentaries on Apoc. 13:16-17
    « Reply #3 on: August 10, 2021, 05:41:45 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • So confession wouldn't be valid during that time? :confused:

    Offline monka966

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 236
    • Reputation: +95/-43
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Two Commentaries on Apoc. 13:16-17
    « Reply #4 on: August 10, 2021, 07:19:05 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Here is Fr. Cornelius Cornelli a Lapide's commentary on this subject:

    https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_It5QnhyZCFYC/page/n239/mode/2up

    Maybe somebody on this forum could translate it to English, as I have no knowledge of Latin.

    God bless.


    Offline xavierpope

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 459
    • Reputation: +121/-93
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Two Commentaries on Apoc. 13:16-17
    « Reply #5 on: August 10, 2021, 07:38:00 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • So confession wouldn't be valid??

    Offline monka966

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 236
    • Reputation: +95/-43
    • Gender: Female

    Offline MyrnaM

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6273
    • Reputation: +3629/-347
    • Gender: Female
      • Myforever.blog/blog
    Re: Two Commentaries on Apoc. 13:16-17
    « Reply #7 on: August 10, 2021, 11:20:25 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0


  • The vaccine and related certificate is definitely what is being referenced in the Apocalypse. It is not "the mark" because "the mark" is figurative. But the vaccine certificate will be the mechanism that brings about the prophesied effect of "the mark," i.e., the economic apartheid which is coming soon.

    Don't get to caught up in an overly-literal interpretation, and I think you will see that I speak the truth.

    Yes, this makes sense to me, the vaccine has something to do with "falling in line."

      
    And to XAVIERPOPE  In the NEW SACRAMENTS Confession are not valid NOW or EVER, don't you have access to a Traditional priest.
    Check the internet for a list of Traditional Catholic priests in your area where the Old Sacraments are still available and there you will find forgiveness for sins.
    Also, pray and beg, begin to develop the grace for a PERFECT Act of Contrition.

    Act of Contrition you are sorry for your sins because you fear Hell!

    PERFECT Act of Contrition you are sorry for your sins because you have offended God.
    Please pray for my soul.
    R.I.P. 8/17/22

    My new blog @ https://myforever.blog/blog/


    Offline Angelus

    • Supporter
    • ***
    • Posts: 1648
    • Reputation: +641/-127
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Two Commentaries on Apoc. 13:16-17
    « Reply #8 on: August 10, 2021, 11:32:41 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • So confession wouldn't be valid??

    From Ott's Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma (Part 3, Section 2, IV, Article 1, chapter 2, paragraph 6):

    The Church's power to forgive sins extends to all sins without exception (De fide)

    So, to obstinately believe that some sins are "unforgiveable," when using the Sacrament of Penance, would make one a heretic.