Two things occurred to me reading all the above posts. (1) What changed in creation after the fall of Adam and Eve. One can reason this out. If animals and fish did not eat one another before the Fall, then huge changes would have had to happen similar to the creation itself. Take whales, snakes falcons etc., that feed on living things in the sea and on land as now observed, if they were flora eating creatures they would have had to change their whole digestive system.
Second, I got to the Kolbe debate as recorded. I could only stick a few minutes before fast-forwarding it. I find such debates go into the science of genetics etc that few can comprehend. It is a long time since I read something about the evolution-creation debate that got my attention. It came from Martin Gwynne when he wrote ;their belief is not only nonsense, but simple nonsense. In other words you cannot win any debate on evolution with exchanges of science v non-science Nor do you have to have a degree or professorship in any such science.Here is how you convert some to see evolution for what it is, simple nonsense.
For their evolution of the living to happen a first cell must evolve in the ‘pre-bionic soup,’ that is, the potpourri of star-dust and certain chemicals produced by the ‘Big Bang.’ Now it is one thing proposing such a unit as a cell evolved from a mixture of inorganic matter, another for it to acquire its ‘vitalism’ or life in order to function. The source and cause of animation; be it flora or fauna, lies totally outside the realm of human science. Try as they did, do and will, they will never give life to non-living matter for that ability belongs solely to God. As Louis Pasteur said, you can only get vitalism in something already living.
As for this living cell itself, well first it must have a NUCLEUS. This is the control centre needed in the heart of the organism and operates the cell through complex molecules of NUCLEIC ACID (DNA) and the GENES that make up those molecules and act as the units of heredity. Each of these carries the code for some characteristic of its natural form. This code is spelled out by hundreds of smaller units called NUCLEOTIDES that are arranged in highly specific sequences within the gene. Now these genes are constructed in strings called CHROMOSOMES and are strung in precise and specific sequences. In the human cell there are 46 chromosomes arranged in paired arms, twin arms. In the nucleus of any cell the chromosomes contain the already coded blueprint for structuring the body. A MEMBRANE encloses the cell, structured so as to allow certain chemicals only to pass through it. Inside this is a fluid called CYTOPLASM in which countless bodies carry on the life-lasting business of the cell. An OUTER-MEMBRANE encloses and protects the cell; it in turn allowing only certain materials to enter or leave by a method unknown to science. Inside the cell there is an ongoing production of PROTEINS. Each type of protein is determined by a code in the gene. An ENZYME is triggered which examines the gene and builds an RNA-MOLECULE in the image of the blueprint. When this is completed, it receives a signal to stop. This RNA brings the message to the cytoplasm where it is held by one of many RIBOSOMES that are so complex as to defy scientific comprehension. These build up the protein by linking various AMINO ACIDS in the specific sequence of the blueprint. For this, TRANSFER-RNA catches amino-acids, each using special enzymes. Each of the mechanisms of the evolving cell would need a computer to regulate, for even the simplest cell contains several thousand kinds of proteins and many billions, yes billions, of each of those kinds. The data contained within any first cell at its emergence from the evolutionary stew-pot would be equivalent to a 50 million telephone number, or the amount of information needed to monitor every traffic light change in the world.
Now let us address their 'living cell' that the sun gave life to:
How then did the first evolving cell survive? We all know that you need all of any living creature to survive. you need to eat etc. Can anything live without the means to survive? What part of any creature evolved first from that first cell? In fauna, which organ evolved first, the brain, the heart, the kidneys, the spleen, the glands etc? Which system of a body evolves first, its blood and veins, its circulatory system, its digestive system, its endocrine system, its respiratory system, its nervous system, its immune system, its lymphatic system, its muscular system, its skeletal system, its urinary system, its reproductive system? Can one essential part of a living creature exist without the others? Then there is the fantasy of further evolution, the ability to change in so many ways. Take for example an eye, the ability of anything that sees to see. What an amazing organ, structured to take in images, light and darkness, colour and shapes, and pass on such images to the brain whereupon the creature can ‘see them.’ Did the ability to see evolve, and if so, was it by chance? If anybody believes the ability for a creature to see came about by chance evolution then they are intellectually redundant, they have lost control of their thinking ability. And that is what even debating the subject of natural evolution is; indulging in absolute nonsense, simple nonsense. And that is why Charles Darwin skipped the impossible bits and his theory began with an already evolved creature or creatures ready for further evolution. But even this illusion had problems. You see if all these evolving creatures once existed then the evolving fossils found in the massive sediments formed over their supposed millions of years should be able to confirm this evolution. But in Darwin’s time, no such linking fossils had been found. He knew this and hoped they would be found later. Indeed, he said his theory depended on finding them. This we know did not happen.
‘In the years after Darwin, his advocates hoped to find predictable progressions… these have not been found -- yet the optimism has died hard, and some pure fantasy has crept into textbooks.’--- Evolution and the Fossil Record.