Catholic Info

Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => Topic started by: Matthew on June 10, 2021, 04:59:40 PM

Title: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Matthew on June 10, 2021, 04:59:40 PM
Now that I have your attention, please read the FULL version --

The so-called "CÖVÌD virus" a.k.a. SARS-Cov2, has never been isolated and doesn't exist. Any illnesses or symptoms seen in the real world, including unusual ones like "loss of smell/taste" or obese people dying (which isn't usual, I'll admit) has been caused by a SPIKE PROTEIN.

All the talk and evidence of CÖVÌD being developed in a lab in Wuhan, ƈhıną does NOT prove it is a virus. They could have been designing/developing these spike proteins.

Many illnesses/symptoms/deaths attributed to CÖVÌD, but not all, could be written off as FALSE POSITIVES (the PCR test is an absolute joke), The FLU (which literally disappeared in 2020. It's a miracle!), or another illness (Pneumonia)?

And let's not forget that many deaths are not from CÖVÌD at all. The classic heart attack or motorcycle accident, but they tested positive in a PCR test, so it's a "CÖVÌD death".

And even among those who seem to have a respiratory or blood disease, the cause of death is better pinpointed as NEGLECT and/or VENTILATORS (doctors won't treat CÖVÌD although many scientifically, ethically and medically sound treatments exist; Doctors are commanded --under penalty of losing their license -- to send patients home with instructions to check in to the hospital when they can't breathe -- at which point they get put on ventilators which kills them in many cases).

One of the biggest scams in this scamdemic is the idea that CÖVÌD is untreatable. It most certainly is not. Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), Ivermectin, Z-pac, Zinc, Vitamins C & D -- those are only the BEGINNING of the treatments. There are others. We're talking about treatments that would meet traditional medical ethics standards -- meaning there is sufficient scientific data and testing to justify their use in patients -- we're not talking about woo-woo nonsense or quackery here. Basically the way doctors practiced medicine before 2020 has been thrown out the window, for some strange reason.

All so we can have an "untreatable, novel virus" which justifies the rushed, highly dangerous, experimental ναccιnє. It's all about the ναccιnє. Doesn't matter if you're already immune -- you still need the ναccιnє. Doesn't matter if you're a child with no danger of death from CÖVÌD, you still need the ναccιnє. It doesn't matter that it's not a ναccιnє, you still need the "ναccιnє".

The 10 million dollar question is: WHY?

It can't be for the money, because the efforts being put in to get everyone injected is out of all proportion to the few billion dollars a FEW companies stand to make. There's just not enough money involved to justify all the people and efforts involved -- unless this is only step one of a larger agenda.

But step one of a larger agenda means it's NOT just to make a quick buck.

But remember -- these vaccines have all been paid for by governments. There is no financial incentive to get a syringe of their science juice into my veins. Why not leave everyone alone who doesn't really want the injection, and RE-SELL the leftovers to the Third World for an added profit? If it's all just a money grab, why not do this? Check and mate.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Matthew on June 10, 2021, 05:11:54 PM
Again, think of the billions of dollars of economic damage being done by these lσcкdσωns -- the massive changes to the world because of CÖVÌD.

"So that a few biotech firms can make a quick $50 billion" does NOT make sense. The cause and effect must be in proportion.

Just like I wouldn't sell my house, uproot my family, buy an RV, and drive across the USA so I can arrive in California and pick up a free $5,000 in cash. That would be the height of insanity.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Romulus on June 10, 2021, 05:14:31 PM
So what you are saying is that COVID exists but its not a virus? I have no disagreements to that as of now but I haven't done the research on it or have the knowledge to see on whether or not its a spike protein.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Matthew on June 10, 2021, 05:21:41 PM
Just look at how ill some people are getting from the "vaccine" -- and that isn't supposed to have any live virus in it.

But it does involve the spike proteins --

It's causing blood clots, and other equally horrible symptoms. Seems that the spike proteins are the real bad guy here.

Yes, some people are NOT having grave reactions (to the spike proteins). Oh, but many people don't react at all when they get COVID! Hmmm...
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on June 10, 2021, 05:26:58 PM
The meaning of CÖVÌD is: Certification Of ναccιnє Identification (I.D.)

The experimental ναccιnє is the beginning of a series of annual experimental ναccιnєs to cause early death, reduce the
population, to change behavior, doubt the existence of God and the True Catholic Church., Do what the global elites
tells you do. Doubt and disbelieve any of the supernatural and have faith only in science and the global elites.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on June 10, 2021, 06:11:13 PM
The meaning of CÖVÌD is: Certification Of ναccιnє Identification (I.D.)

The experimental ναccιnє is the beginning of a series of annual experimental ναccιnєs to cause early death, reduce the
population, to change behavior, doubt the existence of God and the True Catholic Church., Do what the global elites
tells you do. Doubt and disbelieve any of the supernatural and have faith only in science and the global elites.
It is an Acronym.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 10, 2021, 06:34:02 PM
Just look at how ill some people are getting from the "ναccιnє" -- and that isn't supposed to have any live virus in it.

But it does involve the spike proteins --

It's causing blood clots, and other equally horrible symptoms. Seems that the spike proteins are the real bad guy here.

Yes, some people are NOT having grave reactions (to the spike proteins). Oh, but many people don't react at all when they get CÖVÌD! Hmmm...

While I agree that it's the spike proteins causing that damage and that the virus itself is innocuous -- that's backed by the Salk study, I do believe that it exists and was carrying around these engineered spike proteins.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 10, 2021, 06:49:44 PM
https://tinyurl.com/yw536kzr

There's some propaganda in this article, but find the paragraph that has multiple links to where different groups have isolate the virus, and where they have sequenced the entire thing.  Now, of course it COULD be all made up ... since CÖVÌD is a cօռspιʀαcʏ and you never really know, but short of that they do appear to have isolated and sequenced the virus.

Here's the paragraph with all the links:
Quote
However, the first argument relating to isolation is not true. There are multiple examples of scientists isolating SARS-CoV-2 (here, here, here, here), the virus that causes CÖVÌD-19 disease, where they also sequenced the complete genome (here, here, here). Pictures of isolated SARS-CoV-2 particles have been released by the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (here).

I saw a couple of the microbiologists who were dead set against the lσcкdσωns and the ναccιnєs (claiming that they're going to kill large numbers of people) dismiss the notion that the virus hasn't been isolated or sequenced.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Tallinn Trad on June 10, 2021, 08:11:46 PM
You know next to nothing about viral biology Matthew.  If a virus expert who is against the ναccιnє and the lσcкdσωn tells me the virus does not exist I will consider that seriously since they are well educated in the field.

But, as far as I know, all scientists whether skeptical about the ναccιnє or the lσcкdσωn or whether they think the virus was engineered in a lab in Wuhan all acknowledge that there is a unique virus called CÖVÌD 19 along with some variants.

Point out a single professor of viral biology or epidemiology who denies the CÖVÌD-19 virus exists at all.  One of them in the entire world would surely be in a position to know if the whole thing was a head fake.

How would you react if someone came along and said computer code does not exist? It is impossible to get all those circuits onto a chip.  There are devils inside computers.  All coders are faking it.

You know enough as a coder to know such a notion is outlandish nonsense. 
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Matthew on June 10, 2021, 10:23:25 PM
Yeah, and supposedly, the official DNA sequence for the virus ends with 33 A's in a row. Not joking.

KIND OF makes me suspicious... if this is the supposed result of that "gene sequencing" of the "isolated virus". 

Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 10, 2021, 11:40:11 PM
Check out this Twitter feed for lots of info on this:

https://twitter.com/ChrisMasseyFOIs

Christine Massey
@ChrisMasseyFOIs
Collecting FOIs re never-isolated/purified, never-sequenced, purely imaginary "virus/SARS-COV-2" blamed for imaginary "pandemic" that's based entirely on fraud.

Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 10, 2021, 11:45:14 PM
https://twitter.com/ChrisMasseyFOIs/status/1385679940054659073

53 health/science institutions globally have all failed to provide or cite any record of "SARS-COV-2" isolation/purification, by anyone, anywhere, ever - because 
"THE VIRUS" DOESN'T EXIST.



FOIs reveal that health/science institutions around the world have no record of SARS-COV-2 isolation/purification, anywhere, ever
Would a sane person mix a patient sample (containing various sources of genetic material and never proven to contain any particular virus) with transfected monkey kidney cells, fetal bovine serum and toxic drugs, then claim that the resulting concoction is “SARS-COV-2 isolate” and ship it off internationally for use in critical research (including vaccine and test development)?

Because that’s the sort of fraudulent monkey business that’s being passed off as “virus isolation” by research teams around the world.

Just 1 of many examples is shown below – this is from a study cited by the Australian Department of Health as a paper “which led to the isolation of SARS-CoV-2 in culture“. (Can you spot the oxymoron in that quote?)


If you are new to the topic of “virus isolation/purification”, I strongly recommend reading the Statement On Virus Isolation by Dr. Andrew Kaufman, Dr. Thomas Cowan and Sally Fallon Morell, MA.
https://andrewkaufmanmd.com/sovi/

Continues at this link:
https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/fois-reveal-that-health-science-institutions-around-the-world-have-no-record-of-sars-cov-2-isolation-purification/
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 10, 2021, 11:48:04 PM
China admits it never isolated the virus:

3min 42sec
https://bit.ly/3iAhd38
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 11, 2021, 12:02:37 AM
Former Pfizer Cheif Science Officer Dr Michael Yeadon:  No one has isolated the virus:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/KBpiMB2Z73UF/


Dr Tom Cowan with Jon Rappaport (journalist par excellence!)
Virus never isolated:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/gNTKy5xu1C1s/

DR SAM BAILEY - HAS COVID-19 BEEN ISOLATED - WAKE UP THERE IS NO VIRUS
https://www.bitchute.com/video/gNTKy5xu1C1s/

Dr Andrew Kaufman
Virus has not been isolated:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Nr73rMncdwj7/



Virologist and microbiologist Stefan Lanka refuted the idea that viruses exist at all back during the AIDS scam:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/h1oVulfSIDSU/
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Tallinn Trad on June 11, 2021, 02:59:30 AM
Yeadon believe the virus exists.  He talked about the virus in many of his tweets.  Not isolating does not translate into the virus does not exist. 

He thinks the virus is a Chinese bioweapon.  So what did they make?  They didn't release pure hype from the lab in Wuhan. 

None of the above are virologists not even close.  Yeadon is a pharmacological expert.  Yeadon believes the virus exists, he just thinks it is not more harmful than flu. 

Surely if the virus does not actually exist there would be a highly qualified virologist somewhere in the world, I would even accept a retired one, who could make a name for him or herself showing us that the entire thing is a headfake.  There isn't one.

Am I to believe that the experts in the field looking down electron microscopes are looking at nothing at all?  They don't realise this but far less qualified people do.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Tallinn Trad on June 11, 2021, 03:15:39 AM
If I remember correctly there were people on this very forum who thought fake snow was being dropped on Atlanta a few years ago.

They were convinced by videos of people holding cigarette lighters to snowballs which did not immediately melt and had carbon build up on them.  Exactly the same behaviour as real snow, thanks to sublimation and capillary action.

Of course there is a virus.  Of course it is new (very probably a work in progress that escaped from a bio-weapon lab).  It just isn't very deadly except to the old and decrepit.

The world has whipped itself into a collective mania as it has a few times before.  The most recent being Y2K.  It has been exploited politically.  A few countries have looked at it objectively, Sweden, Belarus.   Others did nothing because they were chaotic or distracted.  They did not have huge death tolls.

The next crisis will bring the same evil idiots out of the woodwork, be it a series of forest fires, earthquakes, an asteroid impact. Climate change will be blamed, man is evil etc.

What we are seeing is a weak adulterous effeminate world go insane.  I am determined to watch it with my sanity intact.  It is more fun that way. 
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 11, 2021, 03:52:39 AM
If I remember correctly there were people on this very forum who thought fake snow was being dropped on Atlanta a few years ago.

They were convinced by videos of people holding cigarette lighters to snowballs which did not immediately melt and had carbon build up on them.  Exactly the same behaviour as real snow, thanks to sublimation and capillary action.

Of course there is a virus.  Of course it is new (very probably a work in progress that escaped from a bio-weapon lab).  It just isn't very dєαdlу except to the old and decrepit.

The world has whipped itself into a collective mania as it has a few times before.  The most recent being Y2K.  It has been exploited politically.  A few countries have looked at it objectively, Sweden, Belarus.   Others did nothing because they were chaotic or distracted.  They did not have huge death tolls.

The next crisis will bring the same evil idiots out of the woodwork, be it a series of forest fires, earthquakes, an asteroid impact. Climate change will be blamed, man is evil etc.

What we are seeing is a weak adulterous effeminate world go insane.  I am determined to watch it with my sanity intact.  It is more fun that way.
Have you researched HAARP and weather manipulation? It's been in use since the 1950's.

It was I who posted the video on fake snow because I was not convinced by the video and asked those here who are more knowledgeable than I if it was fake news.  That's called investigation. It's what smart people do rather than assume they know everything already.

"Of course there is a virus."  

Really?  How do you know?  Are you a scientist?  Have you isolated and purified it according to KOCH's postulates?   Have you photographed it?  You provide no evidence.  

Neither has anyone else other than a computer generated model based on speculation and a computer generated, completely fabricated picture of what they assume it looks like.

The science isn't settled.  It would be great if people could research the science a bit so we could discuss that rather than pad their confirmation bias and their ego along with it, pooh-poohing those who are bold enough to question the emperor's invisible clothing.

Science requires humility and curiosity and a willingness to dig and research.
It's kind of similar to understanding the Catholic Faith.  You go where the truth leads regardless of how unpopular it may be.

I would suggest researching the work of Stefan Lanka who I referenced above and his German Supreme Court Case.  You said that no qualified virologist questions the "science" of the virus...well you skipped over him in my post above.

Also the docuмentary, House of Numbers, by Brent Leung is a real eye opener into the lies of the elite scientists of the world.  A young film student travelled the world to interview the top scientists, including nobel prize winners Dr Luc Montaigner, catching him at his lies, and Dr Kerry Mullis, the inventor of the PCR test who called out Montaigner.  He also interviews the Perth Group of scientists who called out Montaigner on not meeting the criteria of KOCH's postulates with regards to HIV.  

I'm am still undecided on this issue but am willing to look at all sides and listen to the various arguments if (and this is important) they are backed by evidence.  
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 11, 2021, 04:07:55 AM
Yeadon believe the virus exists.  He talked about the virus in many of his tweets.  Not isolating does not translate into the virus does not exist.

He thinks the virus is a Chinese bioweapon.  So what did they make?  They didn't release pure hype from the lab in Wuhan.

None of the above are virologists not even close.  Yeadon is a pharmacological expert.  Yeadon believes the virus exists, he just thinks it is not more harmful than flu.

Surely if the virus does not actually exist there would be a highly qualified virologist somewhere in the world, I would even accept a retired one, who could make a name for him or herself showing us that the entire thing is a headfake.  There isn't one.

Am I to believe that the experts in the field looking down electron microscopes are looking at nothing at all?  They don't realise this but far less qualified people do.
If you listen to the interview with Yeadon I posted above (I'll post it again here for you)  he discusses how "nobody has any" virus.  He says it surely must exist but it's strange isn't it that nobody has any and it hasn't been isolated:
cue it to 30:00
https://www.bitchute.com/video/KBpiMB2Z73UF/
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 11, 2021, 04:23:50 AM

Quote
Not isolating does not translate into the virus does not exist. 
It's the first step to proving a virus actually does exist.

Hopefully the image I paste below will show up.  It's from a page I referred to above that you may not have had a chance to read yet.  If it doesn't show up I invite you to go to the link and read it there.  It's a good explanation of why isolating the virus is necessary for identifying it.  I made a tinyurl for you:
https://tinyurl.com/2vp8f5bp


Would a sane person mix a patient sample (containing various sources of genetic material and never proven to contain any particular virus) with transfected monkey kidney cells, fetal bovine serum and toxic drugs, then claim that the resulting concoction is “SARS-COV-2 isolate” and ship it off internationally for use in critical research (including vaccine and test development)?
Because that’s the sort of fraudulent monkey business that’s being passed off as “virus isolation” by research teams around the world.
Just 1 of many examples is shown below – this is from a study cited by the Australian Department of Health (https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/australian-dept-of-health-has-no-record-of-covid-19-virus-isolation/) as a paper “which led to the isolation of SARS-CoV-2 in culture“. (Can you spot the oxymoron in that quote?)



(https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/VIDRL-isolation.jpg)
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 11, 2021, 04:31:49 AM
Here is an interview with Dr Kerry Mullis from the movie House of Numbers. 

He was a true scientist who didn't just ASSUME that HIV causes AIDS since alllll the top scientists said so.  He actually wanted some proof and couldn't find any!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaMZ4NyNCwI

He was the inventor of the PCR and made it clear that it was not a "test" and doesn't prove that anyone is sick with anything so wasn't for diagnostic purposes.

Here is the movie, The Emporer's New Virus, by Brent Leung.

"The Emperor's New Virus?" is a supplementary follow-up to the award winning docuмentary, House of Numbers. It takes an in-depth look at the scientific evidence surrounding the existence of HIV.  It explains why KOCH's postulates are necessary and how the top world renown scientists lie and lie and lie...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQFxratWh7E
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: josefamenendez on June 11, 2021, 05:46:18 AM
There was never an identifiable virus-just a computer generated sequence filling in the blanks of another sequenced particle. It was a PCR pandemic, with  a minimum 96% false positive rate. The other 4% were probably other corona  flu A/B reactive or artifact..
The cultures were never purified as was shown above, Just retrieved from a respiratory soup of secretions and cultured on contaminated monkey(vero) cells.
I believe in the spike protein however, and I think lots (as in sections) of flu ναccιnє were intentionally contaminated with the protein via  flu shots in late 2019/2020. Those ναccιnєs went to the nursing homes in Lombardy, NYC, Philly and Wuhan and other high mortality hotspots. Those elderly were dying of severe clotting: just like they are from the current CÖVÌD ναccιnєs. The community CÖVÌD was just Flu A or B .The fake pandemic was created for the ναccιnє.
The truth is coming out- the Wuhan leak was a diversion although a leak did happen-the ɠƖobaƖısts jumped on the "leak" which was harmless and proceeded to roll out their 10 year prepared plan (Event 201)for total control based on that "happy accident".
If anyone is interested they should look up Dr Reiner Fullmich, a German lawyer who is suing ALL of the corporations involved.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 11, 2021, 05:58:23 AM
It exists and is part of a two-stage bio weapon.

In the mRNA animal studies years ago, the animals died when they were later exposed to the actual virus.

That is the plan here.  When there’s another wave of the virus in the Fall, the vaxxed will start to drop and they’ll blame it on a more deadly “variant” which they’ll claim arose due to all the vax refugees.  That’ll lead to another lockdown and support for mandatory vaccination.  This isn’t just going to go away quietly.

Despite the links from a few hack doctors, I have not seen a single credible microbiologist claim that the virus doesn’t exist, and the most credible anti-vax microbiologists I’ve seen speaking out against the vax all believe that the virus exists.

Unfortunately, some of the wilder conspiracy theories, including much of what Miser has been regularly pushing here, only serve to discredit the anti-vax movement.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 11, 2021, 06:02:24 AM
It’s not unlike when Sydney Powell was spreading all kinds of ridiculous fake election fraud allegations that later discredited the entire movement, stuff like the raid by special forces in Germany that recovered a server where that DoD official was wounded in the exchange ... her big “kraken” that turned her into a laughing stock to this day.

Watch out for the disinfo.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: josefamenendez on June 11, 2021, 08:55:04 AM
The disinformation is the Covid “virus” . If there is a virus it is Flu A or B . The lethal outbreak in the fall will be due to the overwhelmed immune system from the replicating spike proteins in the vaxxed. This is what I’ve said since the beginning . A lethal virus burns itself out in a vey short period of time as it kills its host. Kind of like ebola. Not disinfo 
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Matto on June 11, 2021, 10:06:18 AM
It's not a virus. It's nanobots controlled by AI. Right now they are not too bad but when they turn the switch everyone will die.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 11, 2021, 10:31:44 AM
The disinformation is the CÖVÌD “virus” . If there is a virus it is Flu A or B .

Not necessarily.  More than that it's COLD A or COLD B.  If they engineered this spike protein, there's no reason they couldn't have slapped it on a coronavirus.  They've been tinkering with those for years, PRECISELY with the intent of modifying the spike proteins of animal coronaviruses.  From what those who sequenced this thing saw, it did look like something that originated from a bat, and the woman at Wuhan was called "the bat lady" precisely because she was experimenting with bat coronaviruses and trying to make them transmissible to human beings ... by altering the spike proteins.

There's no reason to believe that they didn't do both:

1) attach these engineered spike proteins to a coronavirus (allowing it to transmit naturally)

AND

2) created a vax to generate the spike proteins

Then when the two meet in nature, THAT is when you start seeing fireworks.

There's a plausible hypothesis out there that the people suffering the most adverse reactions to the jab are those who had actually been naturally exposed to the coronavirus already.  And in the animal studies of mRNA vaxes, the animals started dropping dead after they were exposed to the actual coronavirus.
So the real deadly effect appears to be when the mRNA vax combines with the natural occurrence of the virus.

Thus far no one has been able to prove how long the mRNA jab continues to have the body producing its own spike proteins ... whether it goes on for life or it stops after a certain time (gets turned off by the body's immune system).
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 11, 2021, 10:34:17 AM
The disinformation is the CÖVÌD “virus” . If there is a virus it is Flu A or B . The lethal outbreak in the fall will be due to the overwhelmed immune system from the replicating spike proteins in the vaxxed. This is what I’ve said since the beginning . A lethal virus burns itself out in a vey short period of time as it kills its host. Kind of like ebola. Not disinfo

I love how everyone speaks authoritatively as if they had degrees in microbiology.  Every anti-vax microbiologist that I've heard from so far believes that the virus exists.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 11, 2021, 10:36:50 AM
There was never an identifiable virus-just a computer generated sequence filling in the blanks of another sequenced particle. It was a PCR pandemic, with  a minimum 96% false positive rate. The other 4% were probably other corona  flu A/B reactive or artifact..
The cultures were never purified as was shown above, Just retrieved from a respiratory soup of secretions and cultured on contaminated monkey(vero) cells.
I believe in the spike protein however, and I think lots (as in sections) of flu ναccιnє were intentionally contaminated with the protein via  flu shots in late 2019/2020. Those ναccιnєs went to the nursing homes in Lombardy, NYC, Philly and Wuhan and other high mortality hotspots. Those elderly were dying of severe clotting: just like they are from the current CÖVÌD ναccιnєs. The community CÖVÌD was just Flu A or B .The fake pandemic was created for the ναccιnє.
The truth is coming out- the Wuhan leak was a diversion although a leak did happen-the ɠƖobaƖısts jumped on the "leak" which was harmless and proceeded to roll out their 10 year prepared plan (Event 201)for total control based on that "happy accident".
If anyone is interested they should look up Dr Reiner Fullmich, a German lawyer who is suing ALL of the corporations involved.

Stop writing like you're some kind of authority.  You're just parroting back stuff you've found on the internet.  There's absolutely no reason to believe they wouldn't have done both, create the spike protein and also released it in nature attached to a coronavirus.  I love it how you throw technical terms around as if you had the foggiest idea of what they actually mean.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 11, 2021, 10:38:40 AM
You can stretch the conspiracy theories out forever until there isn't even a spike protein but only nanobots that can be activated by 5G are in the jabs.

While it's fine to speculate, people need to stop presenting these speculations and theories without actual evidence as if they were fact.  That's the kind of thing that discredits even the legitimate conspiracy speculation.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 11, 2021, 10:41:46 AM
It's not a virus. It's nanobots controlled by AI. Right now they are not too bad but when they turn the switch everyone will die.

I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic.  Possible?  Of course.  Proven?  No one has analyzed a jab and found nanobots in it, so no.  At this point, it's all speculation.

I'm still troubled by the thought that they would target those people who are compliant.  Those who rushed to get the vax are the ones who are susceptible to brainwashing by the MSM and/or to societal peer pressure to get the vax.  I would thint, rather, that they wouldn't mind keeping the sheep around to be their slave labor and that they would instead target the non-compliant troublemakers.  For all we know, these jabs WILL protect these people from something else they plan to do or to release later on.  Only time will tell.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Minnesota on June 11, 2021, 10:52:19 AM
Why don't I go to my local professional chef and recommend that he just serve people raw chicken breasts? 

I'm not experienced in food-borne pathogens and diseases, but I read something on the internet that claims that salmonella is all in your mind, bruh, so...
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 11, 2021, 10:53:24 AM
Yeah, and supposedly, the official DNA sequence for the virus ends with 33 A's in a row. Not joking.

KIND OF makes me suspicious... if this is the supposed result of that "gene sequencing" of the "isolated virus".

Well, if you would go to the StackExchange post in the screenshot, this was answered by a poster with numerous medical references.  This is referred to as a Poly(A) tail required by coronaviruses for replication.

Quote
For cσɾσnαvιɾυses in particular, we know that the poly(A) tail is required for replication, functioning in conjunction with the 3' untranslated region (UTR) as a cis-acting signal for negative strand synthesis and attachment to the ribosome during translation. Mutants lacking the poly(A) tail are severely compromised in replication. Jeannie Spagnolo and
Brenda Hogue report:

Quote
The 3′ poly (A) tail plays an important, but as yet undefined role in cσɾσnαvιɾυs genome replication. To further examine the requirement for the cσɾσnαvιɾυs poly(A) tail, we created truncated poly(A) mutant defective interfering (DI) RNAs and observed the effects on replication. Bovine cσɾσnαvιɾυs (BCV) and mouse hepatitis cσɾσnαvιɾυs A59 (MHV-A59) DI RNAs with tails of 5 or 10 A residues were replicated, albeit at delayed kinetics as compared to DI RNAs with wild type tail lengths (>50 A residues). A BCV DI RNA lacking a poly(A) tail was unable to replicate; however, a MHV DI lacking a tail did replicate following multiple virus passages. Poly(A) tail extension/repair was concurrent with robust replication of the tail mutants. Binding of the host factor poly(A)- binding protein (PABP) appeared to correlate with the ability of DI RNAs to be replicated. Poly(A) tail mutants that were compromised for replication, or that were unable to replicate at all exhibited less in vitro PABP interaction. The data support the importance of the poly(A) tail in cσɾσnαvιɾυs replication and further delineate the minimal requirements for viral genome propagation.
[color=var(--black-600)]Spagnolo J.F., Hogue B.G. (2001) Requirement of the Poly(A) Tail in cσɾσnαvιɾυs Genome Replication. In: Lavi E., Weiss S.R., Hingley S.T. (eds) The Nidoviruses. Advances in Experimental Medicine and Biology, vol 494. Springer, Boston, MA (https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4615-1325-4_68)[/color]
[/size]
Yu-Hui Peng et al. also report that the length of the poly(A) tail is regulated during infection:
Quote
Similar to eukaryotic mRNA, the positive-strand cσɾσnαvιɾυs genome of ~30 kilobases is 5’-capped and 3’-polyadenylated. It has been demonstrated that the length of the coronaviral poly(A) tail is not static but regulated during infection; however, little is known regarding the factors involved in coronaviral polyadenylation and its regulation. Here, we show that during infection, the level of cσɾσnαvιɾυs poly(A) tail lengthening depends on the initial length upon infection and that the minimum length to initiate lengthening may lie between 5 and 9 nucleotides. By mutagenesis analysis, it was found that (i) the hexamer AGUAAA and poly(A) tail are two important elements responsible for synthesis of the cσɾσnαvιɾυs poly(A) tail and may function in concert to accomplish polyadenylation and (ii) the function of the hexamer AGUAAA in coronaviral polyadenylation is position dependent. Based on these findings, we propose a process for how the coronaviral poly(A) tail is synthesized and undergoes variation. Our results provide the first genetic evidence to gain insight into coronaviral polyadenylation.
[color=var(--black-600)]Peng Y-H, Lin C-H, Lin C-N, Lo C-Y, Tsai T-L, Wu H-Y (2016) Characterization of the Role of Hexamer AGUAAA and Poly(A) Tail in cσɾσnαvιɾυs Polyadenylation. PLoS ONE 11(10): e0165077 (https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0165077)[/color]
[/size]
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Matto on June 11, 2021, 11:04:21 AM
I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic.  Possible?  Of course.  Proven?  No one has analyzed a jab and found nanobots in it, so no.  At this point, it's all speculation.
I was making a joke.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Tallinn Trad on June 11, 2021, 01:08:51 PM
It exists and is part of a two-stage bio weapon.

In the mRNA animal studies years ago, the animals died when they were later exposed to the actual virus.

That is the plan here.  When there’s another wave of the virus in the Fall, the vaxxed will start to drop and they’ll blame it on a more dєαdlу “variant” which they’ll claim arose due to all the vax refugees.  That’ll lead to another lσcкdσωn and support for mandatory vaccination.  This isn’t just going to go away quietly.

Despite the links from a few hack doctors, I have not seen a single credible microbiologist claim that the virus doesn’t exist, and the most credible anti-vax microbiologists I’ve seen speaking out against the vax all believe that the virus exists.

Unfortunately, some of the wilder cօռspιʀαcʏ theories, including much of what Miser has been regularly pushing here, only serve to discredit the anti-vax movement.
Thank you.  This makes rational sense and would explain the reason many governments who are full square behind a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr and the great reset are pushing SO hard to get everyone they can vaccinated.  Because they don't want a very large sample group of unvaccinated people who will get through new variants without much of a health issue.
If the unvaccinated are dying at 0.05% and the vaccinated at dying at 5% that will be too hard to hide, unless the number of unvaccinated is very small.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 11, 2021, 01:11:56 PM
I was making a joke.

That's what I figured, so I kindof addressed the point of such a joke.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Tallinn Trad on June 11, 2021, 01:28:08 PM

 
You posted it on February 24, 2021 about the snow in Texas.

Matthew posted it on January 31st 2014 about Atlanta Georgia

https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/fake-georgia-snow/msg358226/#msg358226

Smart people observe their surroundings, the nature of materials and they understand basic high school science like capillary action due to surface tension, sublimation.  Smart people look for a simple explanation first and only when all of those have been excluded do they consider more outlandish explanations.

Have you ever seen a snow cone have syrup added to it and how the coloured liquid spreads all over the snow cone because they syrup which as high surface tension is pulled by capillary action through the ice/snow crystals?  Ever observed a sugar cube drawing up coffee or tea?  Ever seen a sponge draw up water or cloth do the same thing, (a wick on an oil lamp for example).

When smart people ask questions they ask, "hey, why does water not drip off snowballs when they are heated with a lighter?"  They don't jump to the conclusion that the government probably has a secret technology to blanket 10,000 square miles with fake snow because snow should drip water and not turn black "in their experience".

Dumb people make a YouTube video about it because they are too stupid to eliminate the simple explanations.  It is really easy.  Go to your freezer (or the supermarket freeze) and make a small snowball from the ice crystals and see if it does the same thing as the snow outside your door in Texas and Atlanta.  If it does then the snow on the ground is normal.  Unless you think the government put fake snow in your freezer too.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 11, 2021, 03:50:11 PM

You posted it on February 24, 2021 about the snow in Texas.

Matthew posted it on January 31st 2014 about Atlanta Georgia

https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/fake-georgia-snow/msg358226/#msg358226

Smart people observe their surroundings, the nature of materials and they understand basic high school science like capillary action due to surface tension, sublimation.  Smart people look for a simple explanation first and only when all of those have been excluded do they consider more outlandish explanations.

Have you ever seen a snow cone have syrup added to it and how the coloured liquid spreads all over the snow cone because they syrup which as high surface tension is pulled by capillary action through the ice/snow crystals?  Ever observed a sugar cube drawing up coffee or tea?  Ever seen a sponge draw up water or cloth do the same thing, (a wick on an oil lamp for example).

When smart people ask questions they ask, "hey, why does water not drip off snowballs when they are heated with a lighter?"  They don't jump to the conclusion that the government probably has a secret technology to blanket 10,000 square miles with fake snow because snow should drip water and not turn black "in their experience".

Dumb people make a YouTube video about it because they are too stupid to eliminate the simple explanations.  It is really easy.  Go to your freezer (or the supermarket freeze) and make a small snowball from the ice crystals and see if it does the same thing as the snow outside your door in Texas and Atlanta.  If it does then the snow on the ground is normal.  Unless you think the government put fake snow in your freezer too.
LOL.
Sometimes smart people ask other smart people who are science minded if this is fake news.
Never be afraid to ask questions.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 11, 2021, 04:08:56 PM
It exists and is part of a two-stage bio weapon.

In the mRNA animal studies years ago, the animals died when they were later exposed to the actual virus.

That is the plan here.  When there’s another wave of the virus in the Fall, the vaxxed will start to drop and they’ll blame it on a more dєαdlу “variant” which they’ll claim arose due to all the vax refugees.  That’ll lead to another lσcкdσωn and support for mandatory vaccination.  This isn’t just going to go away quietly.

Despite the links from a few hack doctors, I have not seen a single credible microbiologist claim that the virus doesn’t exist, and the most credible anti-vax microbiologists I’ve seen speaking out against the vax all believe that the virus exists.

Unfortunately, some of the wilder cօռspιʀαcʏ theories, including much of what Miser has been regularly pushing here, only serve to discredit the anti-vax movement.
Not all anti-vax scientists agree.  I think it's good to look at ALL the evidence, not just what supports my own bias.

But of course the ones that don't agree with my personal opinion are "hacks".  LOL

The ones that agree with my opinion are "credible".   ;)
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 11, 2021, 04:21:17 PM
It exists and is part of a two-stage bio weapon.
 Can you prove that?
You tell others not to post as if they are experts...
If you watch the Emperor's New Virus video I posted above you will see the interview with the Perth Group scientist who explains that they are not saying that HIV doesn't exist.  They are saying that it has never been PROVEN to exist.
They go into a very good explanation as to why Koch's postulates are necessary for proving it's existence and how the world renown virologists are fabricating their story.
The same rules apply to the rona.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: josefamenendez on June 11, 2021, 04:36:00 PM
Watch this video with Reiner Fullmich.
He is no looney-tune lightweight.
He is the lawyer that successfully sued Volkswagen and Deutsche Bank. He has been investigating the no-virus premise for over a year an has videotaped interviews with over 100 doctors and science experts. I don't think a person like this would ruin his career and reputation over something that was just a disinfo rumor.


https://rumble.com/vgdl3f-dr-reiner-fuellmich-international-lawyer-has-all-the-evidence-that-pandemic.html
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: josefamenendez on June 11, 2021, 04:58:12 PM
Not necessarily.  More than that it's COLD A or COLD B.  If they engineered this spike protein, there's no reason they couldn't have slapped it on a cσɾσnαvιɾυs.  They've been tinkering with those for years, PRECISELY with the intent of modifying the spike proteins of animal cσɾσnαvιɾυses.
Of course they can use a harmless corona virus and attach a spike protein as a rider or marker virus. True
The spike protein alone CAUSES the CÖVÌD19 illness even without a virus attached . Ergo; the corona-19 virus is not causing the illness. The virus is a nothing burger and may not exist.There are hundreds of benign corona viruses existing in your body by the hundreds-this is also true.
That means the PCR has NO RELATIONSHIP to an illness causing virus or in the diagnosis of any illness- its all bullshit.
Nobody has said that there isn't an illness- just that the association between a virus and an illness has never been established, and any  test or ναccιnє resulting from an assumption that there is a virus is false or speculative at best.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 11, 2021, 05:07:11 PM
Watch this video with Reiner Fullmich.
He is no looney-tune lightweight.
He is the lawyer that successfully sued Volkswagen and Deutsche Bank. He has been investigating the no-virus premise for over a year an has videotaped interviews with over 100 doctors and science experts. I don't think a person like this would ruin his career and reputation over something that was just a disinfo rumor.


https://rumble.com/vgdl3f-dr-reiner-fuellmich-international-lawyer-has-all-the-evidence-that-pandemic.html

OK, AT NO POINT in this interview (nearly 23 minutes, which I watched speeded up) does he say that there's no virus.  His only mention of the virus is "this has never been about the virus."  He claims that the adverse reactions to the vaccine were not "part of the plan" but happened because they rushed these out ahead of their schedule (that this was originally planned for 2050).  He denounced the PCR tests, the vaccines (not vaccines but genetic experiments), the invented notion that there's asymptomatic transmission, that says that this is an attempt to gain control before people find out that they've been robbed of their pension funds.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 11, 2021, 05:14:16 PM
Of course they can use a harmless corona virus and attach a spike protein as a rider or marker virus. True
The spike protein alone CAUSES the CÖVÌD19 illness even without a virus attached . Ergo; the corona-19 virus is not causing the illness. The virus is a nothing burger and may not exist.There are hundreds of benign corona viruses existing in your body by the hundreds-this is also true.
That means the PCR has NO RELATIONSHIP to an illness causing virus or in the diagnosis of any illness- its all bullshit.
Nobody has said that there isn't an illness- just that the association between a virus and an illness has never been established, and any  test or ναccιnє resulting from an assumption that there is a virus is false or speculative at best.

I've never said that the virus is causing any illness.  I was the first to post here the Salk study that says the spike protein is causing all the damage.  That doesn't mean there's no virus.  Lots of independent teams of scientists in different countries have sequenced this thing almost identically (minus the variants).  I agree that no one has proven that the virus itself causes any damage; it was the opposite.  My issue is with the unsubstantiated allegation that there is no virus.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 11, 2021, 05:18:30 PM
They go into a very good explanation as to why Koch's postulates are necessary for proving it's existence and how the world renown virologists are fabricating their story.
The same rules apply to the rona.

Most microbiologists disagree.  Koch's original postulates, based on my reading, have been amended (Koch himself amended one of them after he found counter-examples) with wide agreement from most modern microbiologists.

How do you know this is a "very good explanation"?  That's the problem here.  It could be completely wrong, and we don't have the knowledge and expertise in virology to see the faults in the reasoning.

So far I have not seen one actual reputable microbiologist assert that there is no virus.  All I've seen is a couple of vocal anti-vax microbiologists dismissing the notion that there's no virus and that it hasn't been isolated.  And when an actively anti-vax microbiologist says that kindof thing, I find it credible ... both because of their credentials and because they don't appear to be biased nor have they succuмbed to the pressure to approve of the "vaccine."
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 11, 2021, 05:26:07 PM
from a microbiologist professor:

https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/11/16/kochs-postulates-covid-and-misinformation-rabbit-holes.html

[pasted here but go to the link for better formatting and readability]

Quote

I’ve had quite a few messages from people who believe they have evidence that Covid-19, or more specifically the virus responsible, SARS-CoV-2, doesn’t exist. They even believe they have the paperwork to prove it. And that paperwork is convincing if you don’t know otherwise. It comes in the form of Official Information Act requests to governments, universities, and scientific and academic institutions all around the world. But this is no global coverup. Instead it’s a case of the internet finding the work of a German microbiologist who died over a hundred years ago combined with people sticking rigidly to a specific definition of the word isolation.

Let’s start with that German microbiologist. Robert Koch was born in 1843 and by all accounts was a very clever chap. He trained as a doctor before becoming one of the founders of microbiology as a field of experimental science. Before his death in 1910 he made lots of important contributions. In the 1870s he discovered that anthrax was caused by the bacterium Bacillus anthracis, the first time a specific microbe was linked to a specific disease. He followed that up in 1882 with his discovery that the slow-growing bacterium Mycobacterium tuberculosis was the cause of tuberculosis (TB). Better known back then as consumption, TB had long been thought to be a hereditary disease.


Koch’s postulates, aka how to tell whether a microbe causes disease

Robert Koch is also famous for his “postulates”, the four conditions he and his mentor Jakob Henle postulated had to be met for a microbe to be considered the cause of a disease. It is these postulates that have now been discovered by the internet and (badly) applied to Covid-19. This is how Koch’s postulates were first laid out more than 130 years ago:

  • The organism must always be present, in every case of the disease.
  • The organism must be isolated from a host containing the disease and grown in pure culture.
  • Samples of the organism taken from pure culture must cause the same disease when inoculated into a healthy, susceptible animal in the laboratory.
  • The organism must be isolated from the inoculated animal and must be identified as the same original organism first isolated from the originally diseased host.
[size={defaultattr}][font={defaultattr}]
So, in the light of the 21st century how do the postulates hold up? Well, the first one was soon abandoned by Koch himself with the discovery that people could be asymptomatic carriers of the microbes responsible for cholera and typhoid fever. In the years since, we’ve come to understand that many microbes can live in and on people and only cause disease under certain circuмstances. We’ve also come to understand that some microbes can set off a chain reaction that leads to disease long after the organism in question has been cleared by the immune system.
The second postulate should really read something like: it would be nice if the organism could be isolated and grown in pure culture. That’s because we don’t even know the conditions under which many microbes grow outside of their host. Take Mycobacterium leprae which causes leprosy. As far as we know, that can only grow in humans, nine-banded armadillos, and a mouse’s footpad. Just because we can’t grow it in pure culture doesn’t mean it isn’t responsible for leprosy. Indeed, using genomic sequencing, we know there are way more microbes than we’ve ever been able to grow in pure culture.
Obviously postulates three and four suffer from the same issue if the microbe can’t be grown in culture. Postulate three would also be better phrased as should cause the same disease when inoculated into a susceptible animal in the laboratory. I say should and specify susceptible because we also now know that some microbes can’t cause disease in a healthy host but can if the host is immune-compromised.  [/font][/size]
But wait! What about viruses?
The worst thing about Koch’s postulates is that they were formulated before viruses were known to exist. Viruses aren’t like the bacteria that Koch was busy discovering. Viruses need to take over a host cell to replicate. In other words, they turn cells into virus-producing factories. And depending on what proteins a virus has on its surface, it may only be able to infect very specific cells from certain host species, or a wide range of cells from lots of different species.
That’s why when virologists want to isolate a virus from a sample they’ll take the sample or some part of it and add it to some cells – usually ones that are relatively easy to grow in the lab – and then look to see if the cells die and/or if there are any virus particles released into the liquid nutrient bath the cells are growing in.

Quote
In other words, viruses can’t be grown in pure culture as described by Koch’s postulates because they need a cell to grow in. Does that mean viruses don’t cause disease? No.

Bringing Koch’s Postulates into the 20th century
Over 30 years ago, one of the modern-day leaders of microbiology Professor Stanley Falkow reworded Koch’s Postulates to bring them more up to date. Falkow, who died in 2018, was at the forefront of research into how specific genes possessed by particular microbes contribute to their ability to cause disease. In a nutshell his “Molecular Postulates” state that:

  • The trait under investigation should be associated with pathogenic members of a genus or pathogenic strains of a species. Pathogenic means having the ability to cause disease.
  • Specific inactivation of the gene(s) associated with the suspected trait should lead to a measurable loss in pathogenicity or virulence in a suitable animal host. In other words, inactivating the gene or genes should mean there is less disease.
  • Reactivating the gene or genes should restore the ability of the microbe to cause disease in a suitable animal host.
[size={defaultattr}][font={defaultattr}]
Even with these updated postulates, it’s still not currently possible to satisfy them for many microbes that cause human disease as they rely on the ability to be able to grow and genetically manipulate the microbe in question and have a suitable animal model. That doesn’t mean the postulates aren’t useful, just that microbiologists might not completely rule out an organism or gene being involved in causing disease even if the postulates can’t be fulfilled.[/font][/size]
When so-called evidence isn’t worth the paper it’s written on
Back to the evidence being used to prove the virus responsible for Covid-19 doesn’t exist. This is what is being asked of governments, universities, and scientific and academic institutions around the world:
“All records in the possession, custody or control of [name] describing the isolation of a SARS-COV-2 virus, directly from a sample taken from a diseased patient, where the patient sample was not first combined with any other source of genetic material (i.e. monkey kidney cells aka vero cells; lung cells from a cancer patient).”
The copies of the requests I’ve been sent also go on to state:
“Please note that I am using “isolation” in the every-day sense of the word: the act of separating a thing(s) from everything else. I am not requesting records were “isolation of SARS-COV-2” refers instead to: the culturing of something, or the performance of an amplification test (ie a PCR test), or the sequencing of something.”
In other words, the people asking for evidence of the existence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus responsible for Covid-19 are specifically wording their request to rule out obtaining any evidence that the virus exists. As I’ve pointed out, viruses need a host cell to replicate in which is why samples are combined with another “source of genetic material”. This is just biology.
And as for using isolation in the every-day sense of the word, rather than the definition that is relevant to the question being asked? Well, that’s just bloody ridiculous and a clear sign these requests for evidence are not being made in good faith.
And before they pivot to yelling about human exosomes, these aren’t the smoking gun either. Yes, exosomes (more commonly referred to as vesicles) are small particles that can be separated from samples by centrifugation. The important distinction here is that they are bits of our cells that bud off and generally require huge volumes of material to isolate them from. The same processes just can’t be applied to a small sample of cells from someone’s nasal swab.
So regardless of what people believe about “virus theory” or what they think their seemingly vexatious requests for evidence show, Covid-19 continues to cause devastation around the world. The sad thing is, bad faith arguments like these are undermining attempts to bring the pandemic under control. And the consequences of that are deadly.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 11, 2021, 05:50:58 PM
Most microbiologists disagree.  Koch's original postulates, based on my reading, have been amended (Koch himself amended one of them after he found counter-examples) with wide agreement from most modern microbiologists.

How do you know this is a "very good explanation"?  That's the problem here.  It could be completely wrong, and we don't have the knowledge and expertise in virology to see the faults in the reasoning.

So far I have not seen one actual reputable microbiologist assert that there is no virus.  All I've seen is a couple of vocal anti-vax microbiologists dismissing the notion that there's no virus and that it hasn't been isolated.  And when an actively anti-vax microbiologist says that kindof thing, I find it credible ... both because of their credentials and because they don't appear to be biased nor have they succuмbed to the pressure to approve of the "ναccιnє."
Should we all come to you and let you determine for us who is "reputable" and who is not?
Is science decided by majority opinion?  

Is it decided by your opinion?

I think Michael Yeadon and Stefan Lanka are credible.
The explanation of Koch's postulates in the video I referenced is very well explained but of course that doesn't make them right.

Yet, the world renowned virologists interviewed were caught in some obvious lies which put their "science" into question.

I'm familiar with the contrary arguments to using Koch's postulates you reference and those are good to look at.

I would like to hear the rebuttal to those arguments as well.

I'm researching the Drosten report which was referenced by Fullmich in the video interview but most of the info is in German...






Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: josefamenendez on June 11, 2021, 05:55:55 PM
3 of my responses didn't post ! Arghhhh....
Drosten created his own version of Mullis' PCR and named it after himself (Probably to keep people from researching Cary Mullis who conveniently died in October2019)
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: josefamenendez on June 11, 2021, 06:04:44 PM
well sure- there are billions of viruses (depending on how you feel about viruses, what they are and viral theory). Saying there is or not a virus is a moot point. A virus is not causing illness and shouldn't even be part of the discussion. There is no legitimate way to blame a virus for anything here. It's like saying that there is a piece of sand at the beach causing my toe to itch and I have a test specifically(not) to find it and it's causing a worldwide breakout of itchy toes. Look over here and pay no attention to the rest of the sand or those nasty sandflies biting at your feet.
I think our positions are close but I will not lend legitimacy to the PCR diagnosis or a virus tagline never docuмented and yet weaponized by oligarchs to crush us.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: josefamenendez on June 11, 2021, 11:24:47 PM
Stop writing like you're some kind of authority.  You're just parroting back stuff you've found on the internet.  There's absolutely no reason to believe they wouldn't have done both, create the spike protein and also released it in nature attached to a cσɾσnαvιɾυs.  I love it how you throw technical terms around as if you had the foggiest idea of what they actually mean.
Dear Lad- as you say, I am no microbiologist. but I have placed 150 central line catheters in CÖVÌD patients over the past year. It's a surgical procedure that specially trained nurses can do.
This does not make me an expert but it did give me a birds eye view of CÖVÌD symptomatology   exhibited by the elderly in nursing homes as opposed to the general ER hospital variety. If you are inclined to check, I was speaking about clotting  issues on this forum in these patients from March2020, before it ever hit the radar or any media , and when most experts were only concerned about respiratory symptoms and complications. I Knew from 40 years experience in my field that I had never seen a contagion or virus act like this. One patient was dying from catatonia, stroke from clotting and failure to thrive in one bed, and the person in the next bed (same room) was fine. One nursing home was hit with 50 CÖVÌD deaths and the nursing home down the street was completely free of it. No- it wasn't because one was more hygienic than the other. The same ancillary staffs were travelling between facilities and their exposure rate was the same. I could only surmise that the vector was not transmissible as a normal pathogen would be. ( droplet, tactile, airborne) I am 64 years old with many risk factors and I didn't get a sniffle, even when coughed on or bled upon. Blessed? Yes of course but I don't  think I was exempt. My initial suspicion as many had at the time was that it  was some kind of binary 5G which I couldn't really couldn't be proved, but fit quite nicely. I've finally come to my personal conclusion that the spike protein was delivered earlier; probably in the flu ναccιnє of 2019 to the elderly in nursing homes in the hotspots I mentioned before. The community pathogen did not have the hallmark clotting symptoms before the CÖVÌD ναccιnє was in full effect in late 2020. I was able to make the relationship between the clotting of the elderly in nursing homes at the outbreak in Feb/March 2020 and the CÖVÌD ναccιnє symptoms we are seeing today.  I suspect that the CÖVÌD disease originated with the spike protein spread by selected flu ναccιnє lots, both at the beginning of the "pandemic" and now with the CÖVÌD vaxx. Can I prove anything? No ,but you can't either.  I can only observe, but I can with good reason, discount much of what is being proposed with more of a foundation than most. Truthfully as a "grunt" in the field with direct patient contact and invasive intervention,  I saw much more clinical evidence than most doctors experience, not because I am as educated as a doctor, but just because doctors do not have ( and honestly do not want) the patient contact that I was afforded. Yes, I also looked as deeply as I could on the internet to corroborate what I was seeing. I'm sorry you don't like my language, but it's the way I speak about these subjects. I've never challenged your language about your erudite church knowledge, or stated you learned it all on the internet ( youtube?) although you are not a Bishop.
Sorry to offend you, bud
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Tallinn Trad on June 12, 2021, 02:20:11 AM
There is a virus.  It is causing an illness.  It is killing people who are old and sick and close to death and the total number dead globally is not that large. The illness is simply not that big a deal.  If you just turned the TV off nobody would know CV existed.  I know of just 1 person who died of it or with it. 

Dead numbers are boosted by doctors incentives.

The whole world has massively overreacted in panic.  The panic has been used or orchestrated by the elites who hold the levers of power.

The worst thing about the last 16 months is that it has revealed just how dumb people are.  For me that is the scary part.

The vast majority of people are wearing masks.  I am sure some of the people on this forum have. A hell of a lot, probably a majority, are taking the ναccιnє.

I am sure some of you stayed in during lσcкdσωns too.  I know because I didn't and the roads were completely empty.  There is not a 10 percent who resisted or even a 1% or I would have seen them at the beach last spring.   There wasnt 1/100th of the people there, there was 1/1000th.

They will be suckered by the next engineered crisis.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Dankward on June 12, 2021, 04:04:57 AM
What a mess. I'll try to summarize my thoughts and questions. We've got some very interesting points in this thread!


If the SARS-CoV-2 virus doesn't exist:

• all the test are false, all the sick and dead are misattributed
• we were lied to about the pandemic at large
• then what have scientists been looking at ("down their microscopes") all these months?
• what did doctors and nurses like @josefamendez deal with all this time, was it just common flu viruses coupled with doctors hysteria?
• how do they create "waves" in different countries (look at India, Brazil, etc.), same as the previous point?
• why is there a correlation between positive tests and sick people (but only in some cases, as the overhwelming majority of positively tested people are asymptomatic)?
• I know of several reputable microbiologists who doubt the official narrative but don't claim that there's no SARS-CoV-2 (like Dr. Bhakdi)
• the genetic sequence in the "vaccines" had to be invented from thin air (or worse)
• this would explain why the common flu cases did disappear completely (cases are reattributed)
• if the globalists' goal was to inject every human with aborted baby cell fragments as some kind of satanic ritual, they indeed wouldn't need an actual virus if their means of spreading mass hysteria work sufficiently


If the SARS-CoV-2 virus does exist:

• all the data indicates against a global pandemic with a dangerous, deadly virus
• death rates did not increase substantially, survival rate is very high (>99%, even if we assume tests and diagnostics to be flawed)
• we were lied to about the virus and it's effects
• why did the flu still "disappear"? The best explanation is that the tests do not correctly diagnose SARS-CoV-2 at all (hence also the large amount of asymptomatic "cases")
• was the virus every isolated? (unclear)
• what genetic sequence did the vaccine manufacturers base their mRNA instructions upon? (depends on the point above)
• is it a bioweapon? Depends on the definition. Given all the lies, it is likely that the virus was created in a lab (be it China or elsewhere), perhaps based on other viruses.
  Either way it is not very dangerous.


In conclusion:

It doesn't matter that much if the SARS-CoV-2 virus actually exists, what matters is that the whole agenda is evil. We were and are lied to from start to finish. Why would our "health experts" want to push a vaccine to age groups that are not at risk at all? Small children being vaccinated, even though multiple countries are starting to warn against it? Come on. So what we know apart from all speculation is that the elites want to coerce everyone to get vaccinated for the wrong reasons and with a harmful vaccine. They obivously want to retain control, so a dangerous virus is not a good fit for that. Administering vaccines works much better to keep control over people, using the media to induce fear as they please. I guess we'll see further "pandemics" and more "vaccinations" in the future. With that and with what we know about the vaccine: Avoid it! Don't believe the MSM lies! Resist as much as you can.

May God help us.

Cheers.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 12, 2021, 06:55:18 AM
• I know of several reputable microbiologists who doubt the official narrative but don't claim that there's no SARS-CoV-2 (like Dr. Bhakdi)

There was also that one older, white-haired gentleman, renowned microbiologist who went to med school at Cambridge (forget his name) who in his opening statement of denouncing the vax explicitly rejected the theory that there's no virus.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 12, 2021, 07:03:55 AM
 Either way it is not very dangerous.

Certainly the virus is itself not dangerous, as proven by the Salk study, but is likely just a carrier for the spikes.  Even the spikes are not IMMEDIATELY very dangerous, since most people recover and MOST people who took the vax didn't have serious reactions.

But this might be what Alex Jones refers to as a "slow kill" weapon ... with some intended long-term effects (autoimmune problems, prion disease, early-onset dementia, and STERILITY ... among many possible other effects).  I mean, they couldn't get away with the vax immediately causing 90% of those who got it to drop dead.  Their vax program would be halted in its tracks immediately.  I speculate (yes, it's speculation) based on the early mRNA animal studies that the vax is lethal when it's COMBINED with exposure to the real thing.  Based on this speculation, then perhaps the worst adverse responses to the vax were in people who had already been exposed to the virus (with or without knowing it) and THEN if the thing spreads again in the FALL, people will start dropping dead (again, that's what happened in the mRNA animal studies).  They will blame that on a new "variant" (lots of variant propaganda out there) ... and will blame its existence/emergence on the UNvaxxed.  This would justify another lσcкdσωn and FORCED vaccinations.  Boris Johnson at the G7 indicated that their goal is to ναccιnαte the whole world by the end of 2022.  So even though the lσcкdσωns have ceased (in some places) and they're backing down from forced vaccinations ... they're not done with us yet.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on June 12, 2021, 08:41:09 AM
Covid Virus doesn't exist

Short video why!

https://www.brighteon.com/6b92259b-afef-42fd-80b7-787bfe7889ed
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: josefamenendez on June 12, 2021, 08:44:05 AM
Yes , I agree with most everything above. There probably/might have been  a marker (benign carrier) virus for the spike protein. But if there was I would have expected  the clotting symptoms to have been distributed more generally. Spread more like a virus would spread. My only issue with it is that the initial clotting symptoms at the outset of the disease were only found in specific locations or hotspots, which led me to conclude that the delivery method of the spike protein was more precise and controlled and not as random as it would be if it were highly contagious . I still suspect the spike protein has to be spread by injection, not infection.


That's all I've got to say about it. ;)
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: josefamenendez on June 12, 2021, 09:03:03 AM
PS There is also something else to take into consideration. In order to get accepted at the best medical schools ,get your phD,  maintain licenses, get grant money for research and not be thrown to the curb to be humiliated and financially destroyed, one MUST hold fast to the allopathic Rockefeller foundation medical model for sickness and disease.
Even these "great" microbiologists are subject and fall victim to this. If you don't tow the party line, you lose everything, possibly even you life.
Many naturopathic MD's  over the past 5 years did. This is very serious business to the oligarchs.
Should we be surprised that "science" is just as evil as everything else? Just ask Fauci
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Tallinn Trad on June 13, 2021, 12:37:03 AM
I am not surprised at this and never have been.  Godless people are going to be dishonest, dishonourable and evil in science, finance, history, marriage, media, education, military.

What do they have to lose?  In their mind there is nothing to fear after death.  Just non existence.

There are no exceptions.  Godless societies are despotic. 
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: alaric on June 13, 2021, 05:52:01 PM
I remember last year early in the "pandemic" that Italian doctor in Italy stating the Covid-19 was a GLOBAL  OPERATION and the "vaccine" was the GOAL of the operation. What's the Global Operation? Population Reduction. That simple.

Mainly from the elderly worldwide because of how it ultimately costs to keep them alive. The other problem for the banksters was the pensions worldwide, they were going to become a HUGE problem everywhere. Especially in the U.S., Europe and the Far East. and that's where the Scandemic hit hardest. I believe the "operation" is to bankrupt the world's richest nations, isolate and control it's populations until they can effectively wipe them out. That's the goal, the "vaccine". the vaxx will solve the problem of SUSTAINABILITY (We've all heard this word/mantra from the 'globalists) of those economies. Notice they're not really concerned with the poorer countries right now. They're not worried about them right now. No big pensions, no big money being doled out in the future.


This has all been one big LIE from the beginning if you've really followed this through.

The "virus" is not really a VIRUS. The 'virus" was not really killing all thses people. 

The PCR "test" is totally bogus. It's not even a TEST for VIRUSES. 

the FACEMASKS were absolutley useless, yes SCIENTIFICALLY proven to be junk. 

The "vaccine" is not even a VACCINE. It's some kind of experimental gene therapy.

and the stupid "vaxx", experimental serum/ therapy whatever youwant to call it, does not prevent you from getting or transmitting the "virus", hasn't even been tested on animals (this one), no FDA Approval (emergency Use only), YET WE'RE SUPPOSED TO TAKE IT LIKE IT'S LIFE OR DEATH!. BECAUSE IT IS LIFE OR DEATH, YOU TAKE IT, YOU WILL EVENTUALLY DIE!.

That's it in a nutshell.

Anyway you cut it here, this has been one big global Magic Trick.

and yes, people are stupid, they'll believe this is a worldwide "virus" because they'll believe anything they're told.

Not an ounce of critical thought. 

Or they're too coward or too chicksh*t to admit the TRUTH. THEY'VE BEEN HAD.

Because then, they're going to have to do something about it.

Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Tallinn Trad on June 14, 2021, 12:30:48 AM
Alaric.  If killing old people is the goal then they have failed.

It has only killed 4 million.  That is in one in 2000 people, assuming all deaths were Covid deaths.  About 100 million die per year of all other causes. Looked at against the overall death statistics across the past 10 years you would struggle to notice excess deaths at all. 

The average age of death is slightly older than the average age of death from all other causes.

Unless the vaccine kills people then Covid-19 is a miserable failure as a population control tool. 
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 14, 2021, 05:54:26 AM
Yes , I agree with most everything above. There probably/might have been  a marker (benign carrier) virus for the spike protein. But if there was I would have expected  the clotting symptoms to have been distributed more generally. Spread more like a virus would spread. My only issue with it is that the initial clotting symptoms at the outset of the disease were only found in specific locations or hotspots, which led me to conclude that the delivery method of the spike protein was more precise and controlled and not as random as it would be if it were highly contagious . I still suspect the spike protein has to be spread by injection, not infection.


That's all I've got to say about it. ;)

See, perhaps the reason the clotting symptoms were not more widespread with COVID is that most people’s natural immune systems fought the virus and spikes off quite nicely.  Only those with impaired immune systems could not.  Some people made a correlation between COVID deaths and having received the flu vax.  We know that most nursing homes push the flu vax on the elderly.

So, as shown in the older mRNA studies, the lethal combination is the vax combined with natural exposure.  That’s what I believe their plan is.  When another wave of COVID is released in the Fall the vaxxed will start dropping dead.  They’ll blame it on a new variant.  They’re saying right now ... prepping this narrative ... that the vax is only 33% effective against the “Delta variant”.  So when large numbers start to drop it won’t be the vax that caused it. That’s another reason they’re so anxious to get nearly everyone vaxed.  If 80% of the vaxxed drop from this thing while only 1% of the nonvaxxed do, it would be difficult to hide the fact that the vax contributed to their deaths if there were very large numbers of unvaxxed.

I believe that this is a two-stage biological attack.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: confederate catholic on June 14, 2021, 06:43:31 AM
Josephamenendez
Your observations are interesting, here in the local places there didn't seem to be co relation to flu shot to which caught it. Also I saw more clots in persons who got the shot and had COVID before injection usually 3-4 wks after. Now one of the PAs I know was seeing the clots in the non vaxxed. I mean in general the patients had flu like symptoms with the weird side effects and I could usually tell which were going to die when they got the strange eye thing.
I guess what I am wondering is how does this thing get transmitted? One of the other nurses doesn't get the flu shot came up with the Rona 3x. Myself almost fell over on the floor twice but never tested positive with bi weekly testing.
As to dying I can imagine that having multiple PEEP patients making it impossible to properly moniter them would lead to multiple deaths by itself. Especially since they hired a bunch of no experience nurses to be there in the first place
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Incredulous on June 14, 2021, 08:01:29 AM
Josephamenendez
Your observations are interesting, here in the local places there didn't seem to be co relation to flu shot to which caught it. Also I saw more clots in persons who got the shot and had CÖVÌD before injection usually 3-4 wks after. Now one of the PAs I know was seeing the clots in the non vaxxed. I mean in general the patients had flu like symptoms with the weird side effects and I could usually tell which were going to die when they got the strange eye thing.
I guess what I am wondering is how does this thing get transmitted? One of the other nurses doesn't get the flu shot came up with the Rona 3x. Myself almost fell over on the floor twice but never tested positive with bi weekly testing.
As to dying I can imagine that having multiple PEEP patients making it impossible to properly moniter them would lead to multiple deaths by itself. Especially since they hired a bunch of no experience nurses to be there in the first place


The observations by Jose and Confederate are the most interesting I've heard in solving the "riddle to transmission" of the man-made disease.

There's one note of similarity in the transmission method of the Spanish Influenza of 1917.  
This pandemic (50million+ dead) started with a Rockefeller funded vaccine in Kansas.

It was marketed as an experimental ναccιnє against viruses and the US Army willingly had their troops injected. 
These poor soldiers shipped-out to Europe for WWI and the infections of a virulent pneumococcus began and spread wildly.  
So the ναccιnє was the actual carrier for the bacterial pathogen.

BTW, the media jews have written many false histories and even produced films trying to throw the goy of the trail of the cause of this pandemic. 
I recall a PBS film, which blamed the infections on a pile of Alabama pig feces near an Army base. :laugh1:
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Yeti on June 14, 2021, 08:07:52 AM
One of the other nurses doesn't get the flu shot came up with the Rona 3x.
.
Interesting. I thought a person became immune once they got it?
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 14, 2021, 08:34:20 AM
.
Interesting. I thought a person became immune once they got it?

Hard to say what this means.  Those PCR tests create lots of false positives.  They're also spinning a narrative right now that the jab is only 33% effective against the so-called "Delta variant" ... to set the stage for why the vaxxed will be dropping dead later as this variant allegedly spreads.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: josefamenendez on June 14, 2021, 08:42:28 AM
Josephamenendez
Your observations are interesting, here in the local places there didn't seem to be co relation to flu shot to which caught it. Also I saw more clots in persons who got the shot and had CÖVÌD before injection usually 3-4 wks after. Now one of the PAs I know was seeing the clots in the non vaxxed. I mean in general the patients had flu like symptoms with the weird side effects and I could usually tell which were going to die when they got the strange eye thing.
I guess what I am wondering is how does this thing get transmitted? One of the other nurses doesn't get the flu shot came up with the Rona 3x. Myself almost fell over on the floor twice but never tested positive with bi weekly testing.
As to dying I can imagine that having multiple PEEP patients making it impossible to properly moniter them would lead to multiple deaths by itself. Especially since they hired a bunch of no experience nurses to be there in the first place
I'm thinking that "community CÖVÌD" was flu A or B  and not the clot forming death disease I witnessed in the nursing homes.As often is the case these flu's were very serious and on an average cause 40,000 to 100,000 deaths in the USA per year. I do not have any info that these "viruses" (A and B) were engineered at all. It was never looked into.
What I can surmise based on my "theory" is that early on, before the vaxxes appeared in the fall of 2020 there really wasn't a major clot forming symptom that was a part of the general CÖVÌD (flu-like)disease unless there was a flu ( or maybe another type of ναccιnє- pneumococcus?)ναccιnє as a precursor to the syndrome.The only clotting issues that I ever observed early last year was entirely in the nursing homes, and I can say with certainty that ALL of the patients there that were ill with CÖVÌD had the clotting issue as te main problem. After the ναccιnє arrived all bets are off. For some reason there may be transmissibility of the spike protein from vaxxed to non- vaxxed. I do not know or understand how this is occurring but it seems to be happening.  maybe it's transmitted through close personal contact and body fluids . It's certainly in the blood supply. Some people have suggested aerosol spraying of spike protein was done on certain locations but that seems like something unmanageable, even for the ones perpetrating it. I have no reason to believe that occurred but who knows?
It is interesting that your PA noticed that people who had the CÖVÌD disease first  and then were vaxxed had more significant clotting symptoms, like the community CÖVÌD was a catalyst for the ναccιnє clotting. I suspect the "eye" thing was microclotting to the vessels in the eye, but I'm guessing at that.
My underlying premise is that the infecting agent was never a virus, and that the PCR was just deflecting what was really happening and driving the numbers to enforce the global social change of masks lσcкdσωns and economic collapse. I wish I knew more, and certainly this is not a rule of any sort.
I would LOVE to see different lots of the flu and other ναccιnєs from the 2019/2020 season tested for spike proteins. I think there would be something there. I feel that the clotting COVID syndrome is transmitted through injection, not airborne or any other way.
Yes, PEEP ( Positive end expiratory pressure) is not something to fool with. I think many Type A and B flu "CÖVÌD" deaths were caused by bad ventilation management. I heard that many inexperienced residents and interns were allowed to write orders for ventilator settings because all liabilities had been removed due to the emergency/crisis. These kids were playing with those machines
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Angelus on June 14, 2021, 02:52:07 PM
I'm thinking that "community CÖVÌD" was flu A or B  and not the clot forming death disease I witnessed in the nursing homes.As often is the case these flu's were very serious and on an average cause 40,000 to 100,000 deaths in the USA per year. I do not have any info that these "viruses" (A and B) were engineered at all. It was never looked into.
What I can surmise based on my "theory" is that early on, before the vaxxes appeared in the fall of 2020 there really wasn't a major clot forming symptom that was a part of the general CÖVÌD (flu-like)disease unless there was a flu ( or maybe another type of ναccιnє- pneumococcus?)ναccιnє as a precursor to the syndrome.The only clotting issues that I ever observed early last year was entirely in the nursing homes, and I can say with certainty that ALL of the patients there that were ill with CÖVÌD had the clotting issue as te main problem. After the ναccιnє arrived all bets are off. For some reason there may be transmissibility of the spike protein from vaxxed to non- vaxxed. I do not know or understand how this is occurring but it seems to be happening.  maybe it's transmitted through close personal contact and body fluids . It's certainly in the blood supply. Some people have suggested aerosol spraying of spike protein was done on certain locations but that seems like something unmanageable, even for the ones perpetrating it. I have no reason to believe that occurred but who knows?
It is interesting that your PA noticed that people who had the CÖVÌD disease first  and then were vaxxed had more significant clotting symptoms, like the community CÖVÌD was a catalyst for the ναccιnє clotting. I suspect the "eye" thing was microclotting to the vessels in the eye, but I'm guessing at that.
My underlying premise is that the infecting agent was never a virus, and that the PCR was just deflecting what was really happening and driving the numbers to enforce the global social change of masks lσcкdσωns and economic collapse. I wish I knew more, and certainly this is not a rule of any sort.
I would LOVE to see different lots of the flu and other ναccιnєs from the 2019/2020 season tested for spike proteins. I think there would be something there. I feel that the clotting CÖVÌD syndrome is transmitted through injection, not airborne or any other way.
Yes, PEEP ( Positive end expiratory pressure) is not something to fool with. I think many Type A and B flu "CÖVÌD" deaths were caused by bad ventilation management. I heard that many inexperienced residents and interns were allowed to write orders for ventilator settings because all liabilities had been removed due to the emergency/crisis. These kids were playing with those machines
I don't claim to have a scientific proof that COVID is not spread by a respiratory virus, but I have suspected for almost a year that the vector is actually a parasite of some sort, not a virus. I say this for two reasons:
1. I believe that the Plandemic is a NWO pretext and whatever Gates/Fauci says is a diversionary tactic. If he says it is spread by a respiratory virus, and I believe he is a liar, then it must be spread by another vector.
2. The two known treatments for COVID are anti-parasitic drugs: HCQ and Ivermectin. 
Study the history of Malaria. For millennia it was believed to be spread by "bad air" (hence the latin mal-aria). Only around the turn of the twentieth century did scientists figure out that Malaria was actually a parasite spread by mosquitos. Now, don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that I think COVID is spread by mosquitos. But the example just shows that once a "mental paradigm" becomes established and entrenched, it is nearly impossible for people to conceive of alternative explanations.  
Here is an interesting medical journal article:
https://malariajournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12936-020-03541-w
Food for thought. What if the disease being spread by actually malaria, not COVID? Do you know which disease the Gates Foundation was most focused on for most of its history? You guessed it...Malaria.
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our-work/programs/global-health/malaria
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: alaric on June 14, 2021, 05:35:22 PM
Alaric.  If killing old people is the goal then they have failed.

It has only killed 4 million.  That is in one in 2000 people, assuming all deaths were CÖVÌD deaths.  About 100 million die per year of all other causes. Looked at against the overall death statistics across the past 10 years you would struggle to notice excess deaths at all.

The average age of death is slightly older than the average age of death from all other causes.

Unless the ναccιnє kills people then CÖVÌD-19 is a miserable failure as a population control tool.

That's NOW damn it. Just wait until a few years from now or this winter when the vaxxed are exposed to an actual wild virus.

All the animals tested in the  SARS COVID  1 Mrna "vaxx" died when exposed to a wild virus. 

Just think when the cytokine storms hit in the vaxxed when this all goes down.

And millions will eventually die from all kinds of "other causes" that they will bury in the MSM and Social Media.

They have censored or muzzled hundreds or thousands of doctors and scientists warning about this.

You seem to be an informed person on this issue, are you really ignorant of what's going on here?
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: josefamenendez on June 14, 2021, 06:04:07 PM
Even if its  4 million mostly elderly that were killed ( and I expect it will be way more than that) think of the Social Security benefits the gov't won't have to pay; the retirement benefits that Blackrock can play with at the Wall St casino and all of the Medicare benefits and bills they didn't have to pay out and the equivalent worldwide.  it must amount to a trillion. No more money for useless eaters.  They can't stop themselves. They aren't done with us yet. 
It's not good enough that they are filthy rich, we also have to be poor ( or dead) for them to be satisfied.  
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Tallinn Trad on June 14, 2021, 06:50:38 PM
If the average age of death from Covid is greater than the average age from all other causes then the social security savings are minor.  Because the people dying would be dead soon anyway.

It is 4 million dead globally not in the USA.

The FED are printing trillions of dollars.  Social security is chump change.  It is not a piggy bank where if the government save a half a billion they get to keep it.  The rich are not paying taxes anyway, so why do they care about what social securiry payments cost.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Tallinn Trad on June 14, 2021, 07:06:39 PM
That's NOW damn it. Just wait until a few years from now or this winter when the vaxxed are exposed to an actual wild virus.

All the animals tested in the  SARS CÖVÌD  1 Mrna "vaxx" died when exposed to a wild virus.

Just think when the cytokine storms hit in the vaxxed when this all goes down.

And millions will eventually die from all kinds of "other causes" that they will bury in the MSM and Social Media.

They have censored or muzzled hundreds or thousands of doctors and scientists warning about this.

You seem to be an informed person on this issue, are you really ignorant of what's going on here?

I am ignorant of what will happen in the future.  You appear to have a crystall ball.
You cannot bury statistically significant numbers of people dying, because we will all know several, otherwise healthy, vaxxed people who die if your guess about the future proves to be correct.  I know of just 1 person who died of or with CÖVÌD in the last 15 months, a woman aged 76 with comorbidities.
1 million dying of a ναccιnє when 2 billion have taken it, is about the same as the death rate from CÖVÌD, 1 in 2000 people. They could bury the news of 1 million deaths, if they are spread globally.  They cannot bury 100 million deaths, it is way too many.  We would each know several to a dozen people who died and they would all by ναccιnαted and dying of the same sort of thing.
Then you have the problem that there are different ναccιnєs.  Some will kill or maim more than others, assuming any kill, since they work differently.
This forum is full of past guesses about the future which never happened.  So I don't put any stock in those guesses.
I will wait to see what happens.  And decide based on facts, not idle speculation.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: confederate catholic on June 14, 2021, 10:08:46 PM
What makes sense to me is the push over the last 5 - 10 years to get everyone entering a maternity ward or hospital to get a Pertussis ναccιnє. Pertussis variants used more recently have caused the following in mice
Massive histamine reactions that resulted in the mice dying and shock, Agglutination. Now it would not be surprising if the common source was the whooping cough ναccιnє given over the last 5 - 10 years. Remember how everyone suddenly had cases of whooping cough all over?  Everyone get that tetanus shot only it ain't only tetanus its a histimine and clotting reaction
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Miser Peccator on June 14, 2021, 10:55:00 PM
What makes sense to me is the push over the last 5 - 10 years to get everyone entering a maternity ward or hospital to get a Pertussis ναccιnє. Pertussis variants used more recently have caused the following in mice
Massive histamine reactions that resulted in the mice dying and shock, Agglutination. Now it would not be surprising if the common source was the whooping cough ναccιnє given over the last 5 - 10 years. Remember how everyone suddenly had cases of whooping cough all over?  Everyone get that tetanus shot only it ain't only tetanus its a histimine and clotting reaction
I had a miscarriage shortly after they gave me a tetanus shot which "all pregnant women should have".  
This was years ago, before I had the internet and could research such things.
Dr Carrie Madej has researched the abortive effects of the tetanus shot on pregnant women.  
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: josefamenendez on June 15, 2021, 07:50:14 AM
 In the 90's certain lots of Tetanus vaccine for a "study" by the WHO were intentionally contaminated with beta HCG , Human Chorionic Gonadotropin , a pregnancy hormone that would cause miscarriage and stillborn due to a rejection of the non-compatible hormone by the receiving woman. It was given as a trial (without  knowledge of the contents)in 3 countries, Brazil, the Philippines and East Timor. (Just for the record, these are countries that have high concentrations of Catholics) Large amounts of menstrual irregularities and miscarriages  ensued.
In the study, only women ages 9 to 49 were allowed to take the series of 3 tetanus shot(s) and in East Timor, the shots were mandated and distributed by the military. 
The government of the Philippines finally evaluated the vaccines and found that 30-50% of the vaccines had been tainted with the beta HCG  which could not have been a manufacturing contaminant but an intentional additive. The WHO somehow skirted this crime and nothing was done to them- in fact they pulled the same stunt with Tetanus vaccines within the past 10 years- I'm not sure what countries they were targeting.
HLI ( Human Life International) used to keep a lot of this docuмentation on-file. Not sure if it's there anymore
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 15, 2021, 07:52:44 AM
In the 90's certain lots of Tetanus ναccιnє for a "study" by the WHO were intentionally contaminated with beta HCG , Human Chorionic Gonadotropin , a pregnancy hormone that would cause miscarriage and stillborn due to a rejection of the non-compatible hormone by the receiving woman. It was given as a trial (without  knowledge of the contents)in 3 countries, Brazil, the Philippines and East Timor. (Just for the record, these are countries that have high concentrations of Catholics) Large amounts of menstrual irregularities and miscarriages  ensued.
In the study, only women ages 9 to 49 were allowed to take the series of 3 tetanus shot(s) and in East Timor, the shots were mandated and distributed by the military.
The government of the Philippines finally evaluated the ναccιnєs and found that 30-50% of the ναccιnєs had been tainted with the beta HCG  which could not have been a manufacturing contaminant but an intentional additive. The WHO somehow skirted this crime and nothing was done to them- in fact they pulled the same stunt with Tetanus ναccιnєs within the past 10 years- I'm not sure what countries they were targeting.
HLI ( Human Life International) used to keep a lot of this docuмentation on-file. Not sure if it's there anymore

Gates did the same thing in India and in Africa (I forget which country).  Women seem to be the target, and that Dr. Malone (inventor of mRNA vax tech) said that the data is showing that the female ovaries are being hit the hardest by the spike protein.  So even if the prediction of mass death doesn't come about, they've probably just sterilized half the country.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Incredulous on June 15, 2021, 11:36:42 AM
I don't claim to have a scientific proof that CÖVÌD is not spread by a respiratory virus, but I have suspected for almost a year that the vector is actually a parasite of some sort, not a virus. I say this for two reasons:
1. I believe that the Plandemic is a NWO pretext and whatever Gates/Fauci says is a diversionary tactic. If he says it is spread by a respiratory virus, and I believe he is a liar, then it must be spread by another vector.
2. The two known treatments for CÖVÌD are anti-parasitic drugs: HCQ and Ivermectin.
Study the history of Malaria. For millennia it was believed to be spread by "bad air" (hence the latin mal-aria). Only around the turn of the twentieth century did scientists figure out that Malaria was actually a parasite spread by mosquitos. Now, don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that I think CÖVÌD is spread by mosquitos. But the example just shows that once a "mental paradigm" becomes established and entrenched, it is nearly impossible for people to conceive of alternative explanations.  
Here is an interesting medical journal article:
https://malariajournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12936-020-03541-w
Food for thought. What if the disease being spread by actually malaria, not CÖVÌD? Do you know which disease the Gates Foundation was most focused on for most of its history? You guessed it...Malaria.
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our-work/programs/global-health/malaria

Excellent points!

And Ivermectin works by:
“...creating an excessive release of neurotransmitters in the peripheral nervous system of the PARASITE.”
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Ladislaus on June 15, 2021, 12:09:04 PM
Excellent points!

And Ivermectin works by:
“...creating an excessive release of neurotransmitters in the peripheral nervous system of the PARASITE.”

Problem is that Ivermectin does lots of stuff, including binding to ACE receptors, and it was recently shown to kill cancer cells.  I'm sure there's overlap between parasites, viruses, and cancer cells that allows Ivermectin to work against all of them.  I know of one oncologist who claims that cancer is a fungus.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Marion on July 20, 2021, 09:33:01 PM
The so-called "CÖVÌD virus" a.k.a. SARS-Cov2, has never been isolated and doesn't exist.

Yes, there is no proof at all for any of their virus-fables. This can't be repeated often enough. Most of modern medicine, and most of modern science is simply superstition. Don't trust physicians and other health-care staff fed by health systems and big pharma.
Title: Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
Post by: Minnesota on July 21, 2021, 02:20:46 AM
Yes, there is no proof at all for any of their virus-fables. This can't be repeated often enough. Most of modern medicine, and most of modern science is simply superstition. Don't trust physicians and other health-care staff fed by health systems and big pharma.
Primarily this current "Delta variant" we've been told by the MSM to fear.