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Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2021, 10:52:19 AM »
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  • Why don't I go to my local professional chef and recommend that he just serve people raw chicken breasts? 

    I'm not experienced in food-borne pathogens and diseases, but I read something on the internet that claims that salmonella is all in your mind, bruh, so...
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    « Reply #31 on: June 11, 2021, 10:53:24 AM »
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  • Yeah, and supposedly, the official DNA sequence for the virus ends with 33 A's in a row. Not joking.

    KIND OF makes me suspicious... if this is the supposed result of that "gene sequencing" of the "isolated virus".

    Well, if you would go to the StackExchange post in the screenshot, this was answered by a poster with numerous medical references.  This is referred to as a Poly(A) tail required by coronaviruses for replication.

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    For cσɾσnαvιɾυses in particular, we know that the poly(A) tail is required for replication, functioning in conjunction with the 3' untranslated region (UTR) as a cis-acting signal for negative strand synthesis and attachment to the ribosome during translation. Mutants lacking the poly(A) tail are severely compromised in replication. Jeannie Spagnolo and
    Brenda Hogue report:

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    The 3′ poly (A) tail plays an important, but as yet undefined role in cσɾσnαvιɾυs genome replication. To further examine the requirement for the cσɾσnαvιɾυs poly(A) tail, we created truncated poly(A) mutant defective interfering (DI) RNAs and observed the effects on replication. Bovine cσɾσnαvιɾυs (BCV) and mouse hepatitis cσɾσnαvιɾυs A59 (MHV-A59) DI RNAs with tails of 5 or 10 A residues were replicated, albeit at delayed kinetics as compared to DI RNAs with wild type tail lengths (>50 A residues). A BCV DI RNA lacking a poly(A) tail was unable to replicate; however, a MHV DI lacking a tail did replicate following multiple virus passages. Poly(A) tail extension/repair was concurrent with robust replication of the tail mutants. Binding of the host factor poly(A)- binding protein (PABP) appeared to correlate with the ability of DI RNAs to be replicated. Poly(A) tail mutants that were compromised for replication, or that were unable to replicate at all exhibited less in vitro PABP interaction. The data support the importance of the poly(A) tail in cσɾσnαvιɾυs replication and further delineate the minimal requirements for viral genome propagation.
    [color=var(--black-600)]Spagnolo J.F., Hogue B.G. (2001) Requirement of the Poly(A) Tail in cσɾσnαvιɾυs Genome Replication. In: Lavi E., Weiss S.R., Hingley S.T. (eds) The Nidoviruses. Advances in Experimental Medicine and Biology, vol 494. Springer, Boston, MA[/color]
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    Yu-Hui Peng et al. also report that the length of the poly(A) tail is regulated during infection:
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    Similar to eukaryotic mRNA, the positive-strand cσɾσnαvιɾυs genome of ~30 kilobases is 5’-capped and 3’-polyadenylated. It has been demonstrated that the length of the coronaviral poly(A) tail is not static but regulated during infection; however, little is known regarding the factors involved in coronaviral polyadenylation and its regulation. Here, we show that during infection, the level of cσɾσnαvιɾυs poly(A) tail lengthening depends on the initial length upon infection and that the minimum length to initiate lengthening may lie between 5 and 9 nucleotides. By mutagenesis analysis, it was found that (i) the hexamer AGUAAA and poly(A) tail are two important elements responsible for synthesis of the cσɾσnαvιɾυs poly(A) tail and may function in concert to accomplish polyadenylation and (ii) the function of the hexamer AGUAAA in coronaviral polyadenylation is position dependent. Based on these findings, we propose a process for how the coronaviral poly(A) tail is synthesized and undergoes variation. Our results provide the first genetic evidence to gain insight into coronaviral polyadenylation.
    [color=var(--black-600)]Peng Y-H, Lin C-H, Lin C-N, Lo C-Y, Tsai T-L, Wu H-Y (2016) Characterization of the Role of Hexamer AGUAAA and Poly(A) Tail in cσɾσnαvιɾυs Polyadenylation. PLoS ONE 11(10): e0165077[/color]
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    Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
    « Reply #32 on: June 11, 2021, 11:04:21 AM »
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  • I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic.  Possible?  Of course.  Proven?  No one has analyzed a jab and found nanobots in it, so no.  At this point, it's all speculation.
    I was making a joke.
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    Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
    « Reply #33 on: June 11, 2021, 01:08:51 PM »
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  • It exists and is part of a two-stage bio weapon.

    In the mRNA animal studies years ago, the animals died when they were later exposed to the actual virus.

    That is the plan here.  When there’s another wave of the virus in the Fall, the vaxxed will start to drop and they’ll blame it on a more dєαdlу “variant” which they’ll claim arose due to all the vax refugees.  That’ll lead to another lσcкdσωn and support for mandatory vaccination.  This isn’t just going to go away quietly.

    Despite the links from a few hack doctors, I have not seen a single credible microbiologist claim that the virus doesn’t exist, and the most credible anti-vax microbiologists I’ve seen speaking out against the vax all believe that the virus exists.

    Unfortunately, some of the wilder cօռspιʀαcʏ theories, including much of what Miser has been regularly pushing here, only serve to discredit the anti-vax movement.
    Thank you.  This makes rational sense and would explain the reason many governments who are full square behind a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr and the great reset are pushing SO hard to get everyone they can vaccinated.  Because they don't want a very large sample group of unvaccinated people who will get through new variants without much of a health issue.
    If the unvaccinated are dying at 0.05% and the vaccinated at dying at 5% that will be too hard to hide, unless the number of unvaccinated is very small.

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    Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
    « Reply #34 on: June 11, 2021, 01:11:56 PM »
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  • I was making a joke.

    That's what I figured, so I kindof addressed the point of such a joke.


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    « Reply #35 on: June 11, 2021, 01:28:08 PM »
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  •  
    You posted it on February 24, 2021 about the snow in Texas.

    Matthew posted it on January 31st 2014 about Atlanta Georgia

    https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/fake-georgia-snow/msg358226/#msg358226

    Smart people observe their surroundings, the nature of materials and they understand basic high school science like capillary action due to surface tension, sublimation.  Smart people look for a simple explanation first and only when all of those have been excluded do they consider more outlandish explanations.

    Have you ever seen a snow cone have syrup added to it and how the coloured liquid spreads all over the snow cone because they syrup which as high surface tension is pulled by capillary action through the ice/snow crystals?  Ever observed a sugar cube drawing up coffee or tea?  Ever seen a sponge draw up water or cloth do the same thing, (a wick on an oil lamp for example).

    When smart people ask questions they ask, "hey, why does water not drip off snowballs when they are heated with a lighter?"  They don't jump to the conclusion that the government probably has a secret technology to blanket 10,000 square miles with fake snow because snow should drip water and not turn black "in their experience".

    Dumb people make a YouTube video about it because they are too stupid to eliminate the simple explanations.  It is really easy.  Go to your freezer (or the supermarket freeze) and make a small snowball from the ice crystals and see if it does the same thing as the snow outside your door in Texas and Atlanta.  If it does then the snow on the ground is normal.  Unless you think the government put fake snow in your freezer too.

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    Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
    « Reply #36 on: June 11, 2021, 03:50:11 PM »
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  • You posted it on February 24, 2021 about the snow in Texas.

    Matthew posted it on January 31st 2014 about Atlanta Georgia

    https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/fake-georgia-snow/msg358226/#msg358226

    Smart people observe their surroundings, the nature of materials and they understand basic high school science like capillary action due to surface tension, sublimation.  Smart people look for a simple explanation first and only when all of those have been excluded do they consider more outlandish explanations.

    Have you ever seen a snow cone have syrup added to it and how the coloured liquid spreads all over the snow cone because they syrup which as high surface tension is pulled by capillary action through the ice/snow crystals?  Ever observed a sugar cube drawing up coffee or tea?  Ever seen a sponge draw up water or cloth do the same thing, (a wick on an oil lamp for example).

    When smart people ask questions they ask, "hey, why does water not drip off snowballs when they are heated with a lighter?"  They don't jump to the conclusion that the government probably has a secret technology to blanket 10,000 square miles with fake snow because snow should drip water and not turn black "in their experience".

    Dumb people make a YouTube video about it because they are too stupid to eliminate the simple explanations.  It is really easy.  Go to your freezer (or the supermarket freeze) and make a small snowball from the ice crystals and see if it does the same thing as the snow outside your door in Texas and Atlanta.  If it does then the snow on the ground is normal.  Unless you think the government put fake snow in your freezer too.
    LOL.
    Sometimes smart people ask other smart people who are science minded if this is fake news.
    Never be afraid to ask questions.
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    Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
    « Reply #37 on: June 11, 2021, 04:08:56 PM »
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  • It exists and is part of a two-stage bio weapon.

    In the mRNA animal studies years ago, the animals died when they were later exposed to the actual virus.

    That is the plan here.  When there’s another wave of the virus in the Fall, the vaxxed will start to drop and they’ll blame it on a more dєαdlу “variant” which they’ll claim arose due to all the vax refugees.  That’ll lead to another lσcкdσωn and support for mandatory vaccination.  This isn’t just going to go away quietly.

    Despite the links from a few hack doctors, I have not seen a single credible microbiologist claim that the virus doesn’t exist, and the most credible anti-vax microbiologists I’ve seen speaking out against the vax all believe that the virus exists.

    Unfortunately, some of the wilder cօռspιʀαcʏ theories, including much of what Miser has been regularly pushing here, only serve to discredit the anti-vax movement.
    Not all anti-vax scientists agree.  I think it's good to look at ALL the evidence, not just what supports my own bias.

    But of course the ones that don't agree with my personal opinion are "hacks".  LOL

    The ones that agree with my opinion are "credible".   ;)
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    Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
    « Reply #38 on: June 11, 2021, 04:21:17 PM »
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  • It exists and is part of a two-stage bio weapon.
     Can you prove that?
    You tell others not to post as if they are experts...
    If you watch the Emperor's New Virus video I posted above you will see the interview with the Perth Group scientist who explains that they are not saying that HIV doesn't exist.  They are saying that it has never been PROVEN to exist.
    They go into a very good explanation as to why Koch's postulates are necessary for proving it's existence and how the world renown virologists are fabricating their story.
    The same rules apply to the rona.
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    Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
    « Reply #39 on: June 11, 2021, 04:36:00 PM »
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  • Watch this video with Reiner Fullmich.
    He is no looney-tune lightweight.
    He is the lawyer that successfully sued Volkswagen and Deutsche Bank. He has been investigating the no-virus premise for over a year an has videotaped interviews with over 100 doctors and science experts. I don't think a person like this would ruin his career and reputation over something that was just a disinfo rumor.


    https://rumble.com/vgdl3f-dr-reiner-fuellmich-international-lawyer-has-all-the-evidence-that-pandemic.html

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    « Reply #40 on: June 11, 2021, 04:58:12 PM »
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  • Not necessarily.  More than that it's COLD A or COLD B.  If they engineered this spike protein, there's no reason they couldn't have slapped it on a cσɾσnαvιɾυs.  They've been tinkering with those for years, PRECISELY with the intent of modifying the spike proteins of animal cσɾσnαvιɾυses.
    Of course they can use a harmless corona virus and attach a spike protein as a rider or marker virus. True
    The spike protein alone CAUSES the CÖVÌD19 illness even without a virus attached . Ergo; the corona-19 virus is not causing the illness. The virus is a nothing burger and may not exist.There are hundreds of benign corona viruses existing in your body by the hundreds-this is also true.
    That means the PCR has NO RELATIONSHIP to an illness causing virus or in the diagnosis of any illness- its all bullshit.
    Nobody has said that there isn't an illness- just that the association between a virus and an illness has never been established, and any  test or ναccιnє resulting from an assumption that there is a virus is false or speculative at best.


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    Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
    « Reply #41 on: June 11, 2021, 05:07:11 PM »
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  • Watch this video with Reiner Fullmich.
    He is no looney-tune lightweight.
    He is the lawyer that successfully sued Volkswagen and Deutsche Bank. He has been investigating the no-virus premise for over a year an has videotaped interviews with over 100 doctors and science experts. I don't think a person like this would ruin his career and reputation over something that was just a disinfo rumor.


    https://rumble.com/vgdl3f-dr-reiner-fuellmich-international-lawyer-has-all-the-evidence-that-pandemic.html

    OK, AT NO POINT in this interview (nearly 23 minutes, which I watched speeded up) does he say that there's no virus.  His only mention of the virus is "this has never been about the virus."  He claims that the adverse reactions to the vaccine were not "part of the plan" but happened because they rushed these out ahead of their schedule (that this was originally planned for 2050).  He denounced the PCR tests, the vaccines (not vaccines but genetic experiments), the invented notion that there's asymptomatic transmission, that says that this is an attempt to gain control before people find out that they've been robbed of their pension funds.

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    Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
    « Reply #42 on: June 11, 2021, 05:14:16 PM »
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  • Of course they can use a harmless corona virus and attach a spike protein as a rider or marker virus. True
    The spike protein alone CAUSES the CÖVÌD19 illness even without a virus attached . Ergo; the corona-19 virus is not causing the illness. The virus is a nothing burger and may not exist.There are hundreds of benign corona viruses existing in your body by the hundreds-this is also true.
    That means the PCR has NO RELATIONSHIP to an illness causing virus or in the diagnosis of any illness- its all bullshit.
    Nobody has said that there isn't an illness- just that the association between a virus and an illness has never been established, and any  test or ναccιnє resulting from an assumption that there is a virus is false or speculative at best.

    I've never said that the virus is causing any illness.  I was the first to post here the Salk study that says the spike protein is causing all the damage.  That doesn't mean there's no virus.  Lots of independent teams of scientists in different countries have sequenced this thing almost identically (minus the variants).  I agree that no one has proven that the virus itself causes any damage; it was the opposite.  My issue is with the unsubstantiated allegation that there is no virus.

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    Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
    « Reply #43 on: June 11, 2021, 05:18:30 PM »
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  • They go into a very good explanation as to why Koch's postulates are necessary for proving it's existence and how the world renown virologists are fabricating their story.
    The same rules apply to the rona.

    Most microbiologists disagree.  Koch's original postulates, based on my reading, have been amended (Koch himself amended one of them after he found counter-examples) with wide agreement from most modern microbiologists.

    How do you know this is a "very good explanation"?  That's the problem here.  It could be completely wrong, and we don't have the knowledge and expertise in virology to see the faults in the reasoning.

    So far I have not seen one actual reputable microbiologist assert that there is no virus.  All I've seen is a couple of vocal anti-vax microbiologists dismissing the notion that there's no virus and that it hasn't been isolated.  And when an actively anti-vax microbiologist says that kindof thing, I find it credible ... both because of their credentials and because they don't appear to be biased nor have they succuмbed to the pressure to approve of the "vaccine."

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    Re: CÖVÌD Virus doesn't exist - Change my mind
    « Reply #44 on: June 11, 2021, 05:26:07 PM »
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  • from a microbiologist professor:

    https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/11/16/kochs-postulates-covid-and-misinformation-rabbit-holes.html

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    I’ve had quite a few messages from people who believe they have evidence that Covid-19, or more specifically the virus responsible, SARS-CoV-2, doesn’t exist. They even believe they have the paperwork to prove it. And that paperwork is convincing if you don’t know otherwise. It comes in the form of Official Information Act requests to governments, universities, and scientific and academic institutions all around the world. But this is no global coverup. Instead it’s a case of the internet finding the work of a German microbiologist who died over a hundred years ago combined with people sticking rigidly to a specific definition of the word isolation.

    Let’s start with that German microbiologist. Robert Koch was born in 1843 and by all accounts was a very clever chap. He trained as a doctor before becoming one of the founders of microbiology as a field of experimental science. Before his death in 1910 he made lots of important contributions. In the 1870s he discovered that anthrax was caused by the bacterium Bacillus anthracis, the first time a specific microbe was linked to a specific disease. He followed that up in 1882 with his discovery that the slow-growing bacterium Mycobacterium tuberculosis was the cause of tuberculosis (TB). Better known back then as consumption, TB had long been thought to be a hereditary disease.


    Koch’s postulates, aka how to tell whether a microbe causes disease

    Robert Koch is also famous for his “postulates”, the four conditions he and his mentor Jakob Henle postulated had to be met for a microbe to be considered the cause of a disease. It is these postulates that have now been discovered by the internet and (badly) applied to Covid-19. This is how Koch’s postulates were first laid out more than 130 years ago:

    • The organism must always be present, in every case of the disease.
    • The organism must be isolated from a host containing the disease and grown in pure culture.
    • Samples of the organism taken from pure culture must cause the same disease when inoculated into a healthy, susceptible animal in the laboratory.
    • The organism must be isolated from the inoculated animal and must be identified as the same original organism first isolated from the originally diseased host.
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    So, in the light of the 21st century how do the postulates hold up? Well, the first one was soon abandoned by Koch himself with the discovery that people could be asymptomatic carriers of the microbes responsible for cholera and typhoid fever. In the years since, we’ve come to understand that many microbes can live in and on people and only cause disease under certain circuмstances. We’ve also come to understand that some microbes can set off a chain reaction that leads to disease long after the organism in question has been cleared by the immune system.
    The second postulate should really read something like: it would be nice if the organism could be isolated and grown in pure culture. That’s because we don’t even know the conditions under which many microbes grow outside of their host. Take Mycobacterium leprae which causes leprosy. As far as we know, that can only grow in humans, nine-banded armadillos, and a mouse’s footpad. Just because we can’t grow it in pure culture doesn’t mean it isn’t responsible for leprosy. Indeed, using genomic sequencing, we know there are way more microbes than we’ve ever been able to grow in pure culture.
    Obviously postulates three and four suffer from the same issue if the microbe can’t be grown in culture. Postulate three would also be better phrased as should cause the same disease when inoculated into a susceptible animal in the laboratory. I say should and specify susceptible because we also now know that some microbes can’t cause disease in a healthy host but can if the host is immune-compromised.  [/font][/size]

    But wait! What about viruses?
    The worst thing about Koch’s postulates is that they were formulated before viruses were known to exist. Viruses aren’t like the bacteria that Koch was busy discovering. Viruses need to take over a host cell to replicate. In other words, they turn cells into virus-producing factories. And depending on what proteins a virus has on its surface, it may only be able to infect very specific cells from certain host species, or a wide range of cells from lots of different species.
    That’s why when virologists want to isolate a virus from a sample they’ll take the sample or some part of it and add it to some cells – usually ones that are relatively easy to grow in the lab – and then look to see if the cells die and/or if there are any virus particles released into the liquid nutrient bath the cells are growing in.

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    In other words, viruses can’t be grown in pure culture as described by Koch’s postulates because they need a cell to grow in. Does that mean viruses don’t cause disease? No.

    Bringing Koch’s Postulates into the 20th century
    Over 30 years ago, one of the modern-day leaders of microbiology Professor Stanley Falkow reworded Koch’s Postulates to bring them more up to date. Falkow, who died in 2018, was at the forefront of research into how specific genes possessed by particular microbes contribute to their ability to cause disease. In a nutshell his “Molecular Postulates” state that:

    • The trait under investigation should be associated with pathogenic members of a genus or pathogenic strains of a species. Pathogenic means having the ability to cause disease.
    • Specific inactivation of the gene(s) associated with the suspected trait should lead to a measurable loss in pathogenicity or virulence in a suitable animal host. In other words, inactivating the gene or genes should mean there is less disease.
    • Reactivating the gene or genes should restore the ability of the microbe to cause disease in a suitable animal host.
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    Even with these updated postulates, it’s still not currently possible to satisfy them for many microbes that cause human disease as they rely on the ability to be able to grow and genetically manipulate the microbe in question and have a suitable animal model. That doesn’t mean the postulates aren’t useful, just that microbiologists might not completely rule out an organism or gene being involved in causing disease even if the postulates can’t be fulfilled.[/font][/size]

    When so-called evidence isn’t worth the paper it’s written on
    Back to the evidence being used to prove the virus responsible for Covid-19 doesn’t exist. This is what is being asked of governments, universities, and scientific and academic institutions around the world:
    “All records in the possession, custody or control of [name] describing the isolation of a SARS-COV-2 virus, directly from a sample taken from a diseased patient, where the patient sample was not first combined with any other source of genetic material (i.e. monkey kidney cells aka vero cells; lung cells from a cancer patient).”
    The copies of the requests I’ve been sent also go on to state:
    “Please note that I am using “isolation” in the every-day sense of the word: the act of separating a thing(s) from everything else. I am not requesting records were “isolation of SARS-COV-2” refers instead to: the culturing of something, or the performance of an amplification test (ie a PCR test), or the sequencing of something.”
    In other words, the people asking for evidence of the existence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus responsible for Covid-19 are specifically wording their request to rule out obtaining any evidence that the virus exists. As I’ve pointed out, viruses need a host cell to replicate in which is why samples are combined with another “source of genetic material”. This is just biology.
    And as for using isolation in the every-day sense of the word, rather than the definition that is relevant to the question being asked? Well, that’s just bloody ridiculous and a clear sign these requests for evidence are not being made in good faith.
    And before they pivot to yelling about human exosomes, these aren’t the smoking gun either. Yes, exosomes (more commonly referred to as vesicles) are small particles that can be separated from samples by centrifugation. The important distinction here is that they are bits of our cells that bud off and generally require huge volumes of material to isolate them from. The same processes just can’t be applied to a small sample of cells from someone’s nasal swab.
    So regardless of what people believe about “virus theory” or what they think their seemingly vexatious requests for evidence show, Covid-19 continues to cause devastation around the world. The sad thing is, bad faith arguments like these are undermining attempts to bring the pandemic under control. And the consequences of that are deadly.