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Offline Jitpring

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« on: April 14, 2011, 06:21:08 PM »
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  • Given the continuing auto-destruction of the institutional Church, how do you manage to avoid constant anger and bitterness? Or are you failing to avoid them?

    I often find myself consumed with rage as the waves of scandal never relent. I think I'm going to have to tune out completely and attend entirely to my own salvation with fear and trembling.
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    Offline Soldat fem de Dieu

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    « Reply #1 on: April 14, 2011, 06:54:14 PM »
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  • If I may ask, is there something specific, which might of happened recently, that triggered your discussion thread?

    To answer your question, I avoid constant anger and bitterness by praying the rosary and offering up the suffering and pain to Our Lady.  Through her, I gain the strength to continue my day and not allow the actions of others, consume me.

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    I just prayed to Our Lady for you, that you may not lead yourself in fear and trembling, that you may fast from anger and bitterness and feast on patience and forgiveness.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 14, 2011, 06:57:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: Soldat fem de Dieu
    If I may ask, is there something specific, which might of happened recently, that triggered your discussion thread?

    To answer your question, I avoid constant anger and bitterness by praying the rosary and offering up the suffering and pain to Our Lady.  Through her, I gain the strength to continue my day and not allow the actions of others, consume me.

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    I just prayed to Our Lady for you, that you may not lead yourself in fear and trembling, that you may fast from anger and bitterness and feast on patience and forgiveness.
    :applause:

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    « Reply #3 on: April 14, 2011, 07:05:02 PM »
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  • Jitpring said:
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    Given the continuing auto-destruction of the institutional Church, how do you manage to avoid constant anger and bitterness? Or are you failing to avoid them?


    You get used to it and then you become hard and cold, like a soldier with the thousand-yard stare.  I'm joking -- I think.

    My anger, when I was more angry, was directed at Jєωs, mainly.  

    Two other sources of anger were / are America and the SSPX.
    Strangely, I have never become really angry at the Vatican II church.  It's almost like they are too far gone.  To be angry with someone, you have to have the goal of correcting them, of changing their minds, but those in Vatican II are like aliens to me, lots of them.  

    Anger was a self-righteous attempt to show love, in my case.  I pretended I wanted to change people for the better, what I really wanted was to feed on my vainglory and rage and stand out.  

    So having experienced these severe anger problems in my life, in an almost Anti-Christ-like way where I would basically scream at people like a complete maniac, I think I have some insight into how to overcome anger.  And the way to do it is to love God.  The servant is not better than the Master.  If Christ Himself never went into wild rages, we shouldn't either.  If He was smacked and forgave the man smacking Him, we should too.  

    Oh, and don't just forgive the man smacking YOU, by the way, but forgive the man smacking the Church!  Don't say "I'm not defending myself, I'm defending the Church," as an excuse to feed on anger, as I did for a while.  Anger is addictive, it feels good, it makes you feel powerful.

    It is one thing to know this intellectually, that we must suffer and carry the Cross and not expect fair treatment for ourselves or even for the truth itself in our lifetimes, perhaps, that our reward is in the next life.  But it is another to actually internalize these things, to know them with the heart.  

    For that, you just have to pray for it, and then you will get it.  If you think you have an anger problem, don't come on here and complain about it, that is just wallowing and pride, like saying "Look at how honest I am about my sins and failings!"  Pray to have it removed and it will be.
     
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 14, 2011, 07:06:01 PM »
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  • Jitpring,
    When I get angry I try to do what Soldat recommends above, and also, if my anger is because of what someone else has done or said, I pray for that person.  Your anger seems to be directed at the many people who got us into this mess, right?  It's pretty hard to forgive them when they (the modernists, the FreeMasons, the list is long, need I go on?) created the mess on purpose, but even so, try praying for them.  It helps me to avoid anger.  I hope it helps you.  


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    « Reply #5 on: April 14, 2011, 07:12:38 PM »
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  • Soldat said:
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    I just prayed to Our Lady for you, that you may not lead yourself in fear and trembling,


    Actually, soldat, fear and trembling is a good thing in this case... You know this passage of Philippians?

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    "Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation."
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 14, 2011, 07:29:55 PM »
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    Two other sources of anger were / are America and the SSPX.
     




    Lol, "were / are" , I know which one it is.

    Anyways though, I agree with the thing about anger that soldat and Raoul have said. Love God and then you will destroy that anger from the inside out, almost like how Neo jumped into Agent Smith and blew him up from the inside... sorry for mentioning that paganistic movie reference, but it was the visual I just had come to my mind..

    So, rosary a day will keep the anger bugs away. Fin.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 14, 2011, 07:41:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76

    Actually, soldat, fear and trembling is a good thing in this case... You know this passage of Philippians?

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    "Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation."


    Thank you Raoul.  I am aware of the passage, but in this case, given the fact that Jitpring's primary question and concern was, " how do you manage to avoid constant anger and bitterness?", it would be best to address that issue rather than having to "tune out completely  and attend entirely to his own salvation with fear and trembling".  That would not be addressing the original issue.

    He said he would lead with fear and trembling as it was his only option, but I was helping him understand that there are other ways to overcome the rage.

    ora pro me, I agree, I left that out, I also send my heart to those who want to hurt me.  It is very powerful to pray for those who cause unnecessary pain...


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    « Reply #8 on: April 14, 2011, 08:16:15 PM »
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  • Yes, it's nothing specific, just the accuмulation of scandal upon scandal.

    Many thanks for the prayer!

    And not coincidentally, it seems, this just arrived in the mail:

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    « Reply #9 on: April 15, 2011, 12:03:54 AM »
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  • The acerbity and fury of which you speak I have known too well, and I have noticed how these sometimes degenerate into a sort of evil sorrow that stifles and renders one vulnerable to the attacks of the devil, the flesh and the world.

    Soldat fem de Dieu has mentioned the most important answer to your question.

    Of course, together with prayer, the acquisition and cultivation of the moral virtues (especially that of temperance, patience, etc.) should never be neglected, as these are necessary in order to attain to an interior life that will enable the soul to shift focus from self to God alone, through Mary Most Holy. If you persevere in the practice of interior and exterior mortification [not spectacular things, but small things like not eating toffee on some occasions, or declining to visit a coffee shoppe when really desired, or not giving in to curiosity regarding unnecessary, though harmless, things, &c.), you will find yourself more enabled to cooperate with grace and thus resist and control movements of passion, such as anger.

    At the practical level, I suggest you take up a good and useful hobby, like gardening, or painting, or photography, or calligraphy, or bookbinding, or marksmanship, or algebra, or learning another language [Latin!] &c. Things like this would provide a healthy distraction from ecclesiastical crises, and insure a good mental hygiene that will make you strong even before the most appalling of scandals.
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 15, 2011, 09:34:33 AM »
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  • I stopped getting roused by the NO a LONG time ago. There is no point in getting angry over every NO abuse or sacrilege since they are countless and much too frequent. I simply recommend the situation to God in my prayers.

    Public acts of blasphemy I think is another matter.
    "Louvada Siesa O' Sanctisimo Sacramento!"~warcry of the Amakusa/Shimabara rebels

    "We must risk something for God!"~Hernan Cortes


    TEJANO AND PROUD!


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    « Reply #11 on: April 15, 2011, 10:20:07 AM »
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  • Every time the blatantly heretical teachings came forth from the Conciliar church, every time we learned of a new cover up by Conciliar clergy, every time I experienced a new fad from the local priest (e.g., a puppet show at the altar or the priest wearing a Halloween mask throughout the service--yes, even during the consecration), I would become angry; sometimes to the point of shaking.

    The day I finally realized that the Conciliar church is not the Catholic Church and that it is just one more Protestant denomination (albeit with many Catholic faithful trying to understand the crisis and continuing to try to live out their faith within their structures), the anger disappeared.  The anger was replaced, to be sure, with pity and sorrow, but I've not felt the anger since.  I can still be surprised and shocked at times, such as when Benedict used condom use by a male prostitute as a sign of moving towards God, but no longer the kind of anger you mention.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 15, 2011, 10:24:27 PM »
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  • Go to the Latin Mass, say trad prayers, read only good Catholic literature, dont watch tv, dont buy into the media outlets and trust in Our Lord and Lady.  I promise you'll lessen your nights of tossing and turning.  Withdrawl from the world, in the sense of ignoring wordlings and their contraptions, and you will be find.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 17, 2011, 10:30:31 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    My anger, when I was more angry, was directed at Jєωs, mainly.  

    Two other sources of anger were / are America and the SSPX.
    Strangely, I have never become really angry at the Vatican II church.


    This explains a lot about Raoul!

    It is typical sede-ism in that it seldom concerns itself with the crisis in the church and effecting a restoration preferring instead to turn its wrath towards convincing idiot SSPX'ers of the "truth" that there is no pope.


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    It's almost like they are too far gone.  To be angry with someone, you have to have the goal of correcting them, of changing their minds, but those in Vatican II are like aliens to me, lots of them.
     

    You should actually understand them quite well as you share their erroneous understanding in infalliblity.

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    Anger was a self-righteous attempt to show love, in my case.  I pretended I wanted to change people for the better, what I really wanted was to feed on my vainglory and rage and stand out.  


    This explains your "ignore" button meltdown based on a libelous pretext. It all makes sense now.

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    So having experienced these severe anger problems in my life, in an almost Anti-Christ-like way where I would basically scream at people like a complete maniac, I think I have some insight into how to overcome anger.  And the way to do it is to love God.  The servant is not better than the Master.  If Christ Himself never went into wild rages, we shouldn't either.  If He was smacked and forgave the man smacking Him, we should too.  


    Or if this fails, just place fingers in ears, ignore opposing arguments I can't refute and personally excommunicate the messenger.  :laugh1:

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    Oh, and don't just forgive the man smacking YOU, by the way, but forgive the man smacking the Church!  Don't say "I'm not defending myself, I'm defending the Church," as an excuse to feed on anger, as I did for a while.  Anger is addictive, it feels good, it makes you feel powerful.


    What Church? You don't even believe the true Church exists. (smatterings of sedes does not equal the Church).

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    « Reply #14 on: April 17, 2011, 10:35:03 AM »
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  • Anger is a feeling, an emotion. It is not an action and is therefore not properly the subject of a moral judgment.

    Anger is a natural God-given emotional response to an injustice.

    The current state of God's Church and the fact that NO prelates and the Pope himself do NOTHING to rectify it is a legitimate and valid source of anger. If you are NOT angry about this and you are fine with people dressing immodestly to Mass, receiving in the hand, playing guitars and drums, women lectors, shaking hands, lay EM's, mistranslated words, and sacrilege then YOU are the one who is sinning and/or complely deluded.