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Offline poche

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« on: October 26, 2013, 11:57:01 PM »
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  • Ever-increasing pressure on the U.S. budget has inspired some unconventional thinking on how to balance it, or at least make a dent.

    One idea gaining traction: Get stricter with tax-exempt groups.

    Newsweek, citing a study from the Secular Coalition of America, reports that if the IRS were to stringently enforce section 501(c)(3) by getting tougher on religious groups that promote political candidates or use funds for noncharitable purposes, it could lead to an additional $16.75 billion in revenue.

    Via Newsweek:

    "We're trying to use the current budget crisis as an example, as a way to show lawmakers what can be done," says Lauren Anderson Youngblood, Secular Coalition for America spokeswoman. "We're not doing this to hurt anyone. We're not doing this to attack churches or attack religion. We simply want things to be fair."

    All told, in 2012, there were 1,616,053 tax-exempt organizations in the U.S., according to Time magazine. That list includes educational institutions, sports leagues, and potentially polarizing groups like the Heritage Foundation and Planned Parenthood
    The National Football League, for example, enjoys tax-exempt status, albeit a different type — section 501(c)(6) — than religious organizations. Recently, that status has been called into question.
    Earlier this year, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) proposed an amendment to the Marketplace Fairness Act, which would end the NFL's tax-exempt status. The wildly popular NFL is a $9 to $10 billion-per-year organization, but does not pay federal taxes. A Change.org petition asking that Congress revoke the NFL's tax-exempt status has over 282,000 signatures.

    According to Coburn's report, if professional sports organizations — including the NFL, Professional Golfers Association (PGA), and National Hockey League (NHL) — weren't exempt from federal income taxes on earnings, the government would be able to generate an additional $91 million annually. Major League Baseball gave up its tax-exempt status in 2007.

    Of course, $91 million is a big number, but when it comes to the overall budget, it's a drop in the bucket. Another idea, more controversial, is to tax all churches. While many would no doubt find that distasteful (dare we say sacrilegious), the tax influx would have a significant effect on the budget, according to Ryan T. Cragun, a sociologist of religion cited by the Washington Post in August.

    Via the Washington Post:

    "Cragun et al estimate the total subsidy at $71 billion. That's almost certainly a lowball, as they didn't estimate the cost of a number of subsidies, like local income and property tax exemptions, the sales tax exemption, and — most importantly — the charitable deduction for religious giving. Their estimate that religious groups own $600 billion in property is also probably low, since it leaves out property besides actual churches, mosques, etc."

    Gaudy numbers, but ones that are more than likely to remain theoretical. Newsweek spoke with Chuck McLean, vice president of research at charity watchdog organization GuideStar, about the prospects of the IRS — which faced intense criticism over its scrutiny of tea-party-related charities — going after tax-exempt churches.

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    "If they flipped a coin and it came up heads, then they would go after tax exemption of churches. If it came up tails, they would poke themselves in the eye with a red hot needle," he says. "It's a no-win proposition for them to go after churches under the best circuмstances."

    http://news.yahoo.com/are-tax-exempt-groups-to-blame-for-budget-problems--154407106.html


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    « Reply #1 on: October 27, 2013, 12:44:36 AM »
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  • I am totally against churches being non profits because they must sign away their rights and responsibilities to be one.  Why should an organization NOT have a right to express their political views????  Better to pay the tax and be free to speak out than to sell out for a tax break.  Our churches have a responsibility to educate their members on the right way to think about politics and have been mute for far too long.

    Marsha



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    « Reply #2 on: October 27, 2013, 02:41:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar
    I am totally against churches being non profits because they must sign away their rights and responsibilities to be one.  Why should an organization NOT have a right to express their political views????  Better to pay the tax and be free to speak out than to sell out for a tax break.  Our churches have a responsibility to educate their members on the right way to think about politics and have been mute for far too long.

    Marsha


    Even if they paid taxes they people who are against them would find another way to go after them.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 27, 2013, 08:13:42 PM »
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  • Marielar:  I agree that a church should be able to speak their mind/soul, BUT why should they pay a tax to do so?!

    We have trouble with organizations who call themselves Pro-Life and they make themselves exempt from taxes and that makes them gagged from the political issues.  And some of these organizations claim to be catholic and ask, beg for monies in the catholic charities that have been proven to be for abortion and all the other immoralities that one can think of.  I refuse to give any $ to any New Order pro-life organization that speaks up for New Order Bishops and such when they all support those charities.

    So, in the dioceses papers across the US, and maybe around the world, they boast of the catholic charities 80th anniversary.

    The new Order serves not God, but the god of the agenda of the federal gov't and because they do, they must answer to them and therefore, they will be told to take on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests, which they do, and then to make those civil unions as the new order calls them, take place.  And New Order churches will close to destroyed because they are owned! by the gov't.

    Won't those new order people be surprised!  

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    « Reply #4 on: November 04, 2013, 03:22:06 AM »
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    I am totally against churches being non profits because they must sign away their rights and responsibilities to be one.  Why should an organization NOT have a right to express their political views????  Better to pay the tax and be free to speak out than to sell out for a tax break.  Our churches have a responsibility to educate their members on the right way to think about politics and have been mute for far too long.

    Marsha



    There are churches and ѕуηαgσgυєs which are non profit and not only don't pay taxes but receive grant money.   And they can preach and say whatever they want.   Some of these churches preach hate.  Like obama's pastor, rev wright.

    As always, it's Catholics who are discriminated against.   The United States has long history of anti Catholicism.  
    May God bless you and keep you


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    « Reply #5 on: November 04, 2013, 12:43:11 PM »
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    There are churches and ѕуηαgσgυєs which are non profit and not only don't pay taxes but receive grant money.   And they can preach and say whatever they want.


    Which ones are these? I have heard about "Rev" Wright but do not know if his "church" status has come under fire.  What other ones are there?

    I have a few protestant acquaintances who also complain about their congregations being "gagged" so I know it is not only the Catholics who cannot or do not speak out.

    Marsha

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    « Reply #6 on: November 04, 2013, 02:22:38 PM »
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  • A protestant colleague's pastor husband has been harassed and had his home and vehicles vandalised because of his stand against Sodom and Gomorrah laws.  So, no, it's not just Catholics.  If you stand for Truth according to Natural Law, you may expect persecution in some form.  
    Our Lord says we should rejoice to be held guilty of keeping the Faith.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #7 on: November 05, 2013, 11:50:26 PM »
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    I think everyone should be taxed for everything they do.  



    Wake up in the morning, get a tax.  Brush your teeth, tax.

    Cook breakfast, tax.  Watch the news or listen to the radio, tax.

    Take a shower, get dressed, get taxed.  Get in your car, get a tax.

    Drive down the street, pay a tax (or a 'toll' - same thing).  

    Stop at a red light, get a tax.  Don't stop at a red light, get a ticket.
    (When you pay a ticket you pay a tax for that too.)

    Buy some gas and a burrito, pay a tax.

    Park your car, pay a tax. (Parking lots charge tax in their fee.)

    Walk down the street, pay a tax.  Read the signs, pay a tax.

    Breathe air, pay tax for it.  Get a drink of water, pay a tax.

    Use an elevator, pay a tax.  Use your cell phone, pay a tax (already).

    Turn on the air conditioner, pay a tax (electrical utility tax).

    Turn on your computer, use the Internet, pay a tax.

    Work all day, pay tax for it.  Don't work, go to jail for it.
    (When you pay a court fine you pay a tax for that too.)

    Go to lunch, pay a tax.  Bring your own lunch, pay your own tax.

    Go to Mass, pay a tax.  Receive Communion, pay a tax.  

    Hear a sermon, pay the sermon tax.

    Any sacrament: tax it!  Baptism, Confirmation, Penance:  TAX it!

    Buy a house, property tax.  Buy insurance, add more for the taxes.

    Buy a car, pay sales tax.  Pay a utility bill, pay a tax.

    Go shopping and buy some groceries, pay the tax.

    See a movie, pay a tax.  Have surgery, pay a tax.  

    Vote?  Not if you don't pay the 'voting tax' first!

    Sail a boat or fly an airplane, pay a tax.

    Land your plane on a runway, dock your boat at the pier, pay a tax.

    Go to a museum or the zoo, or use a park to take a break, TAX!

    Take a train ride, be taken for a ride:  pay the train tax!

    Buy some new tires or a battery for your car, pay EXCISE tax.

    Have your shoes repaired or your watch battery replaced, pay tax.

    Cross the street, pay a tax.  Walk your dog, pay a tax.  

    Don't pick up your dog's do-do, city fine = $200,,,,,,, plus tax.
    (Don't pay the fine, go to jail until you pay the last farthing,
    as well as the tax on the farthing!)

    Go have dinner with your family or alone, get taxed.

    Go to the hospital because you're sick, get taxed.  

    Don't have health insurance?  Okay, we have a tax for that too.

    Try to not pay your tax, get fined or sent to tax prison.

    When you DIE then pay your DEATH tax.  No?  Okay, prison for you!



    Make a post like this on the Internet, you're a TERRORIST.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 06, 2013, 12:12:33 AM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar
    Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    There are churches and ѕуηαgσgυєs which are non profit and not only don't pay taxes but receive grant money.   And they can preach and say whatever they want.


    Which ones are these? I have heard about "Rev" Wright but do not know if his "church" status has come under fire.  What other ones are there?

    I have a few protestant acquaintances who also complain about their congregations being "gagged" so I know it is not only the Catholics who cannot or do not speak out.

    Marsha



    You're correct, it's not just Catholics, but to Catholics like us it
    seems we are singled out -- a biased opinion, perhaps.

    Why would it be any different for civilians than it is in the military?



    In the US military for some years, it has been a punishable
    offense for chaplains to talk to the soldiers about Jesus.  And
    now, as of a few weeks ago, I think, it is no longer allowed for
    priests to say Mass for the armed forces.. They can talk to them
    like psychologists on a material, natural level, but they are
    forbidden from speaking to soldiers about spiritual matters.

    And the same applies to protestant ministers.  No talk about
    Jesus or reading from the Bible.  

    I have not heard a single word about Mohammedans being
    forbidden from talking about the Koran or Mohammed and
    stuff relating to Mohammedanism.  Nor has there been a
    word about Hindus or pagans or satanists being restricted.  

    It seems now it is much easier for a soldier in action to get
    help from a satanist minister or a pagan chaplain than it is
    for him to get help from a Catholic priest or even from a
    protestant minister.



    The Boston Red Sox just won the World series.  

    The last time that happened was in 1918, and when it did,

    they had Catholic MASS in the middle of FENWAY PARK.


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