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Offline LaramieHirsch

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CMTV vs Remnant and CFN
« on: February 12, 2015, 12:53:36 AM »
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  • So, tonight Voris' show, Mic'd Up featured Catholic Media.  The third segment pretty much addressed the sources that we read, such as The Remnant and Catholic Family News.  




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    « Reply #1 on: February 12, 2015, 06:51:49 AM »
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  • What's this man going to do when (not if) Bergoglio formally declares an unequivocal heresy?  (I don't mean to imply that he hasn't done so already, he has, but...for the sake of argument...)

    Of course, he will parse the wording and declare that he didn't really speak "from the chair" since he's already untruthfully (whether knowingly or unwittingly, I don't know) that the Vatican Council very narrowly defined papal infallibility so absolutely tightly than the pope can do and say anything and everyone can say he's not really speaking infallibly.

    If he didn't agree with the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin, he would take issue with, what he would say, the "silly" notion that Pope Pius XII really spoke infallibly from the Chair of Peter in his declaration!


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    « Reply #2 on: February 12, 2015, 07:11:41 AM »
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  • Voris is an obvious shill plant, probably handpicked from their stable of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs. Not unlike Jeff Gannon/JD Guckert or Alex Jones.
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 12, 2015, 07:56:46 AM »
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  • What a stupid, bold-facedly dishonest, calumnious smear piece. I used to think Voris was just a misguided idot. Now I'm reasonably certain he's a bought and paid for mouthpiece-in-a-hairpiece for the controlled opposition. He's Fox News to EWTN's CNN, designed to pacify the neocaths and keep them safely stupid and ignorant to Catholic Tradition.

    He's even got some loudmouthed shoulder-padded woman blathering on on camera (instead of shutting up and deferring to her husband) so the Fox News simulacrum is all but complete at this point. Actually scratch the "all but." After that astonishingly moronic "evil of the nαzιs" Zionist agitprop piece he did, the simulacrum is really 100% complete.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 12, 2015, 10:02:14 AM »
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  • He's not a plant, he's just an ultramontanist.  


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    « Reply #5 on: February 12, 2015, 10:06:45 AM »
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  • The timing of Voris' smearjob makes me wonder how much of the impetus for it was simply petty, effeminate vindictiveness over being called out by The Remnant just a few days earlier (go to 19:20):

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/WQ0beXrM044[/youtube]

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    « Reply #6 on: February 12, 2015, 10:32:24 AM »
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  • "Fine package there"

    Voris, even your pink tie is trying to tell you to "tone it down!"
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    « Reply #7 on: February 12, 2015, 12:50:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: BTNYC
    The timing of Voris' smearjob makes me wonder how much of the impetus for it was simply petty, effeminate vindictiveness over being called out by The Remnant just a few days earlier (go to 19:20):


    Outstanding video. I don' know how I missed this one. I really like how Matt and Ferrara actually have little jokes and inject a level of humor in their talks. This alone signals to me that there is truth in what they say. But that is just a general feeling I get, I see no error whatsoever in what they say and I do think I am able to grasp the material sufficiently.  

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    He's even got some loudmouthed shoulder-padded woman blathering on on camera (instead of shutting up and deferring to her husband) so the Fox News simulacrum is all but complete at this point.


    LOL. Who is this broad? I think she had some kind of radio blog show that I happened to listen to a couple of years back and only managed to make it through one of her shows. My memory is that it was pretty cringeworthy. Is that the extent of her street cred? But how about his other "producers"? As he adds new ones and incorporates them into this show, they appear to be taking on a level of self righteous smugness.

    Who appointed them to be the guardians of the Deposit of the Faith? Well, no one, but what we have to recognize here is that what is going on is really nothing more than Voris and Company trying to stake out a position in which they are in the "reasonable" middle. In other words, they are presenting themselves as the only people who have actually understood the problem and while they haven't actually offered one, give the impression they too have the remedy.

    The funny thing here is that in his protestations against criticism of the pope, he has tacitly done it himself. Even his new "shoulder-padded" girl does it for him, again tacitly, in last night's episode.

    And your reference to a Fox News set is apt as well. When Mic'D Up first started, he took calls. Now he doesn't. It is closed in on itself with no feedback mechanisms for public view. Now that is not necessarily a bad thing and one could site good reasons for keeping a topic on course. But notice he doesn't allow comments on youtube either. That alone is frustrating.

    Having said all of that, I would like to say that he is a force for good. What is frustrating to me is that he does not recognize the efforts of others along the road on whose shoulders he stands. Look, there is an old proverb that I think comes from the Orient. The nail that stands up gets hammered down. That is certainly true of Archbishop Lefebvre, among many others.

    My suspicion in the rift between CMTV, The Remnant, and CFN is deeper than the angst over criticizing the pope. I think the wildcard here is Father Gruner and his Fatima Apostolate. I believe that Fatima happened, but I am convinced that the message has been corrupted by some from the beginning. Whether it was done on purpose or not doesn't really matter. But it seems to get more confusing by the day. I do criticize Ferrara, Matt, and Venari for their close alliance to Father Gruner.

    Believing that a "5 minute prayer", their words, is going to usher in a "period of peace" is a very feminine idea. I am yet to even understand what they visualize as period of peace would even look like. Sungenis made a complete fool of himself in a string of letters to Culture Wars recently. His view is that by quantifying every war that took place during JPII's pontificate, from the significant to the smallest of tribal conflicts, was proof that the Consecration had not been done. Looking at it as if it is Dogma, which they do IMHO, is ridiculous.

    I don't think Matt does himself any favors by associating with Father Gruner. He could certainly do so in a private way, but the biggest rub here is that he does not objectively cover the Fatima Apostolate as a journalist. This is a problem and someone should tell him about it already. Chris Ferrara writes books on the subject, that's OK. But what makes this video so fine is that they don't find the need to go there and yet they make the points cogently.  


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    « Reply #8 on: February 12, 2015, 01:57:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
    He's not a plant, he's just an ultramontanist.  


    That's been my thought for awhile, but I don't watch it much, so I didn't realize he's stopped calls and feedback/comments. That's indicative of a major shift, and the video is a smearpiece, as BTNYC noted.

    The Fox News analogy is superb, but perhaps done so for flash and to drive traffic?  Who are his main audience?  Wouldn't they be more neo-con ish, and drawn to that style?  I don't know, just theorizing.  

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    « Reply #9 on: February 12, 2015, 02:30:26 PM »
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  • Voris gets some things right, but very little. The broken clock being right once a day, so to speak. He's still a typical ultramontanist that will defend Bergoglio for whatever he does no matter what, but chastise the episcopacy.

    In these times, where we might be living with a worse pope than Paul VI, it's a wretched thing to do.
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    « Reply #10 on: February 12, 2015, 02:32:09 PM »
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  • This video from Voris was utterly absurd.

    Voris at one point starts by pontificating that one can "never depart from Peter" because official teaching is protected by the Holy Spirit.  But then the other two uneducated dorks on the panel immediately chime in about how incredibly "narrow" is the scope of infallibility.  And Voris keeps muttering "right" and nodding his head.  They make a mockery of themselves.  Is Voris really that stupid?


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    « Reply #11 on: February 12, 2015, 03:36:55 PM »
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  • Oh, he's a plant alright. A big, leafy, pink perviflora.









    Pink has to be this guy's favorite color... but back to the plant part: Why would this conservative youtuber extraordinaire be given access to a Q&A session during the synod? No, he won't criticize the Pope, but he did attend a certain Catholic Identity Conference the year before with some of the world's most visible critics of Vatican II.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/PajgVWtgx1M[/youtube]

    Oh yeah:

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/K-zXF62Ac9o[/youtube]

    Unintended impressions must be purged! Confession time!

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/4m2O0DVex84[/youtube]

    I would think for most trads, the intended bait wasn't strong enough to hook. The guy has virtually no backstory or family photos or connections to speak of.

    This has been your Catholic Conspiracy Corner update.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 12, 2015, 04:31:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    So, tonight Voris' show, Mic'd Up featured Catholic Media.  The third segment pretty much addressed the sources that we read, such as The Remnant and Catholic Family News.  




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    Too much stupid

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    « Reply #13 on: February 12, 2015, 06:45:10 PM »
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  • It's a pretty lamentable state of affairs when any 53 year old man - let alone an ostensibly "conservative" Catholic public figure - uses this as the template for his appearance:








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    « Reply #14 on: February 15, 2015, 05:49:05 PM »
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  • Quote from: patrik
    Have more I could say about him but I do not want to speak in rumors. Until I get facts or can confirm stories I will instead bite my tongue.


    Except for your eye-witness account of noting the absence of Voris at the diocesan indult, you should have bit your tongue already.