Author Topic: CMRI is constructing a church in the Philippines (Read 6981 times)

obediens · « **Reply #15 on:** May 15, 2014, 11:47:31 AM »

When Schuckardt was still there, CMRI was 3 or 4 times its current size.

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From what I was told recently, CMRI has been getting constant calls from all over, and are trying their best to help as many as possible.

They need more priests.

I am surprised that the CMRI isn't bigger. They have been around for even longer than the SSPX, yet their organization hasn't grown much at all when compared to the SSPX. I wonder why that is. :kick-can:

They got a slow start, due to the problems with Francis Schuckardt. When Schuckardt was expelled and CMRI reformed, it's growth has been exponential.

But, let's face it, the SSPX was formed by Archbishop Lefebvre, a member of the hierarchy, and drew in many diocesan and religious priests trained and ordained by the Church in the 1970's. The CMRI did not have this benefit.

The CMRI and SSPX remain the only two groups with a true canonical standing from the Church. They both received approval from lawful diocesan bishops.

Emerentiana · « **Reply #16 on:** May 15, 2014, 01:18:19 PM »

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Wow. Four whole posts and no one has jumped on this thread to badmouth the CMRI. Is that legal?

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Emerentiana · « **Reply #17 on:** May 15, 2014, 01:21:03 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: Ambrose

From what I was told recently, CMRI has been getting constant calls from all over, and are trying their best to help as many as possible.

They need more priests.

I am surprised that the CMRI isn't bigger. They have been around for even longer than the SSPX, yet their organization hasn't grown much at all when compared to the SSPX. I wonder why that is. :kick-can:

Well, Matto,
I can tell you one reason: THEY ARE SEDEVACANTISTS! The sedes don't have big money behind them like the SSPX does

Emerentiana · « **Reply #18 on:** May 15, 2014, 01:25:14 PM »

Quote from: obediens

When Schuckardt was still there, CMRI was 3 or 4 times its current size.

Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: Matto
Quote from: Ambrose

From what I was told recently, CMRI has been getting constant calls from all over, and are trying their best to help as many as possible.

They need more priests.

I am surprised that the CMRI isn't bigger. They have been around for even longer than the SSPX, yet their organization hasn't grown much at all when compared to the SSPX. I wonder why that is. :kick-can:

They got a slow start, due to the problems with Francis Schuckardt. When Schuckardt was expelled and CMRI reformed, it's growth has been exponential.

But, let's face it, the SSPX was formed by Archbishop Lefebvre, a member of the hierarchy, and drew in many diocesan and religious priests trained and ordained by the Church in the 1970's. The CMRI did not have this benefit.

The CMRI and SSPX remain the only two groups with a true canonical standing from the Church. They both received approval from lawful diocesan bishops.

That's really not true Obediens. I've been with them since they formed. The only part that was bigger was the Brothers. Most of them left after Schukardt left. The sisters had losses, but I believe they are bigger now then at that time. We had a few priests them, but have about 25 now (not sure)
The church structure was non existent, except for maybe St Michaels. We have many churches and mass centers all over the world now. We didn't then

Matto · « **Reply #19 on:** May 15, 2014, 01:25:40 PM »

Well both groups started within a few years of each other and one grew to be over ten times as large as the other (by number of priests). Do you think all of that difference is because the CMRI is sedevacantist and the SSPX is not? Maybe the SSPX had more big money backers, but even that doesn't explain it to my satisfaction.

Emerentiana · « **Reply #20 on:** May 15, 2014, 01:32:35 PM »

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Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: Matto
Quote from: Ambrose

From what I was told recently, CMRI has been getting constant calls from all over, and are trying their best to help as many as possible.

They need more priests.

I am surprised that the CMRI isn't bigger. They have been around for even longer than the SSPX, yet their organization hasn't grown much at all when compared to the SSPX. I wonder why that is. :kick-can:

They got a slow start, due to the problems with Francis Schuckardt. When Schuckardt was expelled and CMRI reformed, it's growth has been exponential.

But, let's face it, the SSPX was formed by Archbishop Lefebvre, a member of the hierarchy, and drew in many diocesan and religious priests trained and ordained by the Church in the 1970's. The CMRI did not have this benefit.

The CMRI and SSPX remain the only two groups with a true canonical standing from the Church. They both received approval from lawful diocesan bishops.

I'm only looking at this from my regional perspective, without looking up the statistics ... and for the record I am a registered parishioner in the Diocese of Spokane, WA (Sacred Heart parish in Pullman) and attend Mass weekly according to the 1969 missal (when infrequent travel allows I attend Mass at a FSSP parish or a Ruthenian Divine Liturgy).

Still, with that background I'm very impressed with the CMRI. They have a thriving parish (I suppose chapel is the correct word) and school at Mount St. Michael's in Spokane (there are some forum members who attend there), as well as a parish in northern Idaho (Rathdrum ~ Coeur d’Alene area) and they have established TWO missions in eastern WA (Kennewick and Clarkston). They also have a parish and school in western Washington (Tacoma) with a mission in Sequim (I'm thinking there was another mission also, it must not have been able to continue).

By contrast the SSPX has no presence in eastern WA. They do have a chapel in Post Falls, ID, a mission in St. Maries, ID and a chapel in Edmonds (suburb of Seattle) in western WA, but with no evident "missionary activity" away from those areas that I've been aware of. The SSPV has NO activity west of Montana.

The FSSP has parishes in Coeur d'Alene, ID and Seattle, WA with some missionary outreach beyond those areas. The Ruthenians have parishes in Spokane, Seattle, and Lacey (Olympia area) and likewise have a missionary outreach to Eastern Rite Catholics outside of those areas. I also observe that the Orthodox seem to be very "missionary minded" in eastern WA and northern ID, not being content to just serve an "established base".

A hallmark of the Church "back in the day" as it were was always to take the Gospel and the Sacrements wherever the faithful were, no matter how remote or few in number. Among the traditionalist Catholic groups I've been most impressed with the efforts of the CMRI in this regard

Good analysis Moniel!

I'm surprised that you don't attend St Michael's in Spokane. Its the most awesome place in the traditional world of churches, although I have never been to St Mary's in Kansas. Both churches were Jesuit seminaries that closed. CMRI purchased St Michael's and the SSPX purchased St Mary's
The CMRI purchased St Michael's in 1975. I do not know when the SSPX purchased St Mary's

obediens · « **Reply #21 on:** May 15, 2014, 01:39:37 PM »

Emerentiana, there were dozens and dozens of more Sisters as well, I know because I've seen the old photos and have a few copies of invitations to the Vows at the City of Mary. Both the clerics and sisters were many, many more.

Quote from: Emerentiana

Quote from: obediens
When Schuckardt was still there, CMRI was 3 or 4 times its current size.

Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: Matto
Quote from: Ambrose

From what I was told recently, CMRI has been getting constant calls from all over, and are trying their best to help as many as possible.

They need more priests.

I am surprised that the CMRI isn't bigger. They have been around for even longer than the SSPX, yet their organization hasn't grown much at all when compared to the SSPX. I wonder why that is. :kick-can:

They got a slow start, due to the problems with Francis Schuckardt. When Schuckardt was expelled and CMRI reformed, it's growth has been exponential.

But, let's face it, the SSPX was formed by Archbishop Lefebvre, a member of the hierarchy, and drew in many diocesan and religious priests trained and ordained by the Church in the 1970's. The CMRI did not have this benefit.

The CMRI and SSPX remain the only two groups with a true canonical standing from the Church. They both received approval from lawful diocesan bishops.

That's really not true Obediens. I've been with them since they formed. The only part that was bigger was the Brothers. Most of them left after Schukardt left. The sisters had losses, but I believe they are bigger now then at that time. We had a few priests them, but have about 25 now (not sure)
The church structure was non existent, except for maybe St Michaels. We have many churches and mass centers all over the world now. We didn't then

Nadir · « **Reply #22 on:** May 15, 2014, 05:01:14 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

From what I was told recently, CMRI has been getting constant calls from all over, and are trying their best to help as many as possible.

They need more priests. If you know any man who is exploring a vocation, tell him to consider CMRI, they will have plenty of work as a priest for him, as they are all over the U.S. and growing all across the world.

I was told not too long ago, that CMRI may also be opening a seminary in Australia to train priests for Australia/Asia/Pacific Islands.

Ambrose, I wish the last sentence was correct. However, I cannot see it just yet. After all, we do not even have a single priest for the whole of Australia (a rather large area to cover). We do have one (1) very solid and holy priest who goes between Australia and NZ.

SenzaDubbio · « **Reply #23 on:** May 15, 2014, 07:16:13 PM »

Quote from: Emerentiana

Quote from: Matto
Quote from: Ambrose

From what I was told recently, CMRI has been getting constant calls from all over, and are trying their best to help as many as possible.

They need more priests.

I am surprised that the CMRI isn't bigger. They have been around for even longer than the SSPX, yet their organization hasn't grown much at all when compared to the SSPX. I wonder why that is. :kick-can:

Well, Matto,
I can tell you one reason: THEY ARE SEDEVACANTISTS! The sedes don't have big money behind them like the SSPX does

Divine Providence

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #24 on:** May 20, 2014, 02:48:19 AM »

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The CMRI has a new priest from the Philippines who is very promising. I forgot his name, but I think he was just ordained or else he's going to be ordained very soon. He has been studying under Bishop Pivarunas. So by this testimony, the Bishop is doing a very good job training priests.

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