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« on: October 05, 2009, 10:24:51 AM »
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    « Reply #1 on: October 05, 2009, 10:34:57 AM »
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  • wow, well that settles it then, that "proves" a lot.....

    again, why is it there is no sede-only forum???????

    why do sedes feel the need to go somewhere where they view everyone else as a "modernist, heretic"??????? Does not scripture talk about separating ones self?????????

    Begs the question also, who is Steven Speray? and why do we really care? what authority has he?

    Assisi is a sin on JP2, which Ratzinger condemned fro what I hear.....

    BTW-is it not funny that Liberius was never condemned nor felt to be a vacant seat? I mean, the guy signed and made some unorthodox moves/statements, but oddly, Athanasius never said "clearly, we have a vacant seat..Liberius is not a Pope, obviously"?

    in fact, Sedeism is only a cult from mid-late 1960's.....hmm.. :reporter:
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    « Reply #2 on: October 05, 2009, 10:42:54 AM »
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    « Reply #3 on: October 05, 2009, 10:43:37 AM »
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  • "WHY WOULD ANYONE WASTE THEIR TIME READING THIS?"

    True, why.....
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    « Reply #4 on: October 05, 2009, 10:51:00 AM »
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  • You start with Fr. hαɾɾιson, addressing him as "father, then once he attacks the Dimonds,we decend into personal attacks on him and calling him evil......it is liek bait and switch tactic of Prots, Calvinists are good at this......draw you in w/falttery and nice words, then BAM-OH

    of note, not a fan much these days of Ferrera, but really..proving Sedeism? He just stated V2 is what it was-meant to be pastoral and not binding at all on Catholic, other than dogmas already defined......it is not binding, hence it is not a reason to make a Sede-break with church........issues of Modernism long standing, jsut brought out and legitimized at V2........I just ignore V2........
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    « Reply #5 on: October 05, 2009, 03:23:10 PM »
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    « Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 07:14:33 AM »
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  • paint a picture indeed.....sad, sad times....
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    « Reply #7 on: October 06, 2009, 07:55:27 AM »
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    « Reply #8 on: October 06, 2009, 08:42:08 AM »
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  • will give a listen, thanks for link...at least he has guts to confront the elephant in the Catholic room, Judaism/Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ......
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    « Reply #9 on: October 06, 2009, 08:49:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: Classiccom
     Here is a pretty good radio interview of Traditional Catholic dogma from Steve Speray. He is still pro Fatima and pro 1870 infallible, but we were warned only a few would find the narrow path.


    sorry, work is blocking the link..they do that and very selectively.....
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    « Reply #10 on: October 06, 2009, 10:37:58 AM »
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  •   This Shannon is saying what I've been thinking for years.

    Catholics
    Resisting
    Spiritual
    Tyranny

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    A Reader Asks: Why Do So Many Traditional Catholics Try to Work within the System that Is Bent on Destroying the Faith?
    From: Shannon

    Dear Fathers:

    We traditional Catholics in the 21st century have a lot to be thankful for. We have so many different ways to help us get firmly grounded in the traditional Faith and to aid millions of lost souls in doing likewise: books, internet, DVDs, CDs, periodicals, newspapers, etc. [For further information, click on FAQ05: What Traditional Catholic Resources Do You Recommend? in the TRADITIO Network's Library of Files (FAQs and Traditional Apologetics).]

    Yet we crib and carp: "Why don't the pope and bishops return to Tradition? Why has God allowed this to happen? Is there no end to this apostasy in sight?" Sure, the papacy and the diocesan hierarchies bear a large share of the blame, but that this no excuse for us traditional Catholics to sit tightlipped, waiting for miracles to happen. God has supplied us with the miracle of all the available tools that we need for the Traditional Catholic Movement. Now we had better get to work, remembering the maxim: "Help yourself, and Heaven will help you."

    It is understandable why traditional Catholics get angry, despair, and rant and rave, but why can't we go one step further and channel these negative emotions into positive action? What is preventing us from seeing that the New Order in Newvatican and its leaders are anything but Catholic and that we must break off all ties with them? Why do so many of us try to work within the system that is bent on destroying the Faith? Why do too many of us settle for the hoax of a "Motu" Mess, designed by the same Vatican II and Hannibal Bugnini that just seven years later brought us the full blown, invalid Novus Ordo Protestant-Masonic-Pagan service?

    Why can't we work outside the New Order and rebuild the Church instead of settling for a few crumbs? The New Order has stolen our Catholic institutions -- schools, colleges, universities, publishing houses, ecclesiastical supply houses -- and turned them to serve the New Order. Yet, Newchurch has an Achilles' heel. It depends on financial resources to survive, primarily the Sunday collections from laypeople. The embezzlement of parishioners' funds to finance the luxurious lifestyles of the corrupt bishops and presbyters and to pay off the victims of their sex crimes are a lesson for us to learn from.

    Those traditional Catholics who participate in Newchurch parishes (as at the "Motu" Mess) and put their money into the collection plate to support the Novus Ordo and its clergy's sex crimes form the bread and butter of Newchurch. By ceasing contributions to Newchurch, they would accelerate the destruction of the New Order that they claim to hate. If they continue to fund the New Order, they are just so many hypocrites.

    The Fathers Reply.

    Well said. The feastday of St. Francis of Assisi occurred just a few days ago. In St. Francis' time the Church was plagued with vice and corruption among the clergy, just as it is in our own day. From the crucifix in the little Church of San Damiano in Assisi, St. Francis seemed to hear the image of the Crucified Savior say to him: "Francis, repair my falling house." St. Francis took these words literally, thinking that the Lord wished him to repair San Damiano. Little did he realize then that Our Lord's call not to rebuild the little church, but the falling Roman Catholic Church itself, to rid it of its corruption, and to return it to its traditional Catholic values. The Franciscan revolution certainly did that, together with the revolution of St. Dominic, which returned traditional Catholic values to the religious orders.

    The Catholic maxim is: Ecclesia semper reformanda. But that does not mean that the reformation is to "update" the Sacred Liturgy or to turn the Catholic and Apostolic Church into some New Order. No, it means that the souls of Catholics, and particularly the clergy, are to be returned to the traditional Catholic values from which they periodically fall.

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    « Reply #11 on: October 06, 2009, 10:46:15 AM »
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  • Some good points...a lot to do within the Household before attacking too much outside the House (some make a lot of $$ attacking Prots,etc, but never,ever wanting to help clean the inside of the House)
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    « Reply #12 on: October 07, 2009, 08:23:05 PM »
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    « Reply #13 on: October 08, 2009, 10:37:30 AM »
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    « Reply #14 on: October 08, 2009, 12:05:45 PM »
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