https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/down-2023-09-18

I commented:

There is not a single affair in the history of the Catholic Church so perverted as the Galileo case.
Believing that 'science' proved St Robert Bellarmine, Pope Paul V and Pope Urban VII were wrong, since 1820, Catholicism went into an apologetic mode. For 200 years Catholic apologists and minimisers have used every excuse they can make up to try to make the papal decrees against heliocentrism look like they were right at the time but wrong in our time. Unfortunately, our friends in the Vortex follow the same apologetic route rather than ask themselves, how can two popes define and declare a reading of Scripture to be held by the flock and get it wrong? Doesn't their Church teach when a pope officially defines and declares a matter of faith and morals, it has the protection of the Holy Ghost?
To avoid this dogma being proven false by the Galileo case, it is demoted to a matter of astronomy. But the Galileo case was not about astronomy it was about the truth of the Bible and the unanimous teaching of the Fathers.

To understand the Galileo case properly as a Catholic one has to go Back to the Council of Trent. it said: "that no one who distorts the Sacred Scripture according to his own opinions, shall dare to interpret the said Sacred Scripture contrary to that sense which is held by holy Mother Church, whose duty it is to judge regarding the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers , even though interpretations of this kind were never intended to be brought to light."

In its catechism, it said: "He so ordered the celestial bodies in a certain and uniform course that nothing varies more than their continual revolution, while nothing is more fixed than their variety…. "

Now why did Pope Paul V and Pope Urban VIII define heliocentrism formal heresy?
Here is why: "(1) “That the sun is in the centre of the world and altogether immovable by local movement,” was unanimously declared to be “foolish, philosophically absurd, and formally heretical [denial of a revelation by God] inasmuch as it expressly contradicts the declarations of Holy Scripture in many passages, according to the proper meaning of the language used, and the sense in which they have been expounded and understood by the Fathers and theologians.” 1616 decree of pope Paul V.

Now here is the test of your Catholicism. Were all the popes, theologians and Councils of your Church wrong in holding to ALL the Fathers reading of the Scriptures as meaning a moving sun and stars? Your faith depends on the answer to this. From 1820, when Pope Pius VII was conned into believing heliocentrism of modern astronomers was correct and he allowed heliocentric books to be taken off the Index, the consensus was that yes, they were all wrong.

Let us now tell the truth, based on your faith now, not on your pride in your science. If you have faith, the Church was never proven wrong. If your pride in science is more important to you, then your Catholicism is not divinely protected so is no different to other religions. For 33 years I studied the subject while writing my 'Earthmovers.' I found all those proofs for heliocentrism and against geocentrism were false 'proofs,' that a geocentric universe would produce the same effects. Finally two tests in 1880 and 1887 failed to find an orbiting Earth. The evidence now pointed to a geocentric universe. it took Albert Einstein with his STR to keep their heliocentrism a possibility while admitting geocentrism was never proven wrong and thus never proving the Fathers, popes, theologians, and Bellarmine wrong when he told Galileo in 1616 his heliocentrism was heresy so to abandon it. Galileo never did and was found guilty of suspected heresy in 1633. I also found that no pope in history ever attempted to deny the 1616 decree, and the Holy Office in 1820 said it was papal and irreformable.

Oh, I also see Pope Leo XIII's 1893 Providentissimus deus is again used above to allow a heliocentric of Scripture based on the word 'sunrise.' Well this encyclical also confirmed that when all the Fathers agree on a meaning of Scripture that cannot be changed. So this letter on Scripture cannot be said to promote a heliocentric reading. as so many have used it to promote the heresy.

Which leads us to human pride. Many authors who tried to give a false account of the Galileo case 'to save the Church' wrote that only an IGNORANT person would adhere to the ruling of the Church in 1616. and 1633. So to abide by your faith and protect Pope Paul V's definition, you will be an ignorant person in our time. If however, people got their facts right, it could overturn 400 years of ridicule of the Catholic Church.


The following day the talk disappeared. I wonder why?

https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/down-2023-09-18

I commented:

There is not a single affair in the history of the Catholic Church so perverted as the Galileo case.
Believing that 'science' proved St Robert Bellarmine, Pope Paul V and Pope Urban VII were wrong, since 1820, Catholicism went into an apologetic mode. For 200 years Catholic apologists and minimisers have used every excuse they can make up to try to make the papal decrees against heliocentrism look like they were right at the time but wrong in our time. Unfortunately, our friends in the Vortex follow the same apologetic route rather than ask themselves, how can two popes define and declare a reading of Scripture to be held by the flock and get it wrong? Doesn't their Church teach when a pope officially defines and declares a matter of faith and morals, it has the protection of the Holy Ghost?
To avoid this dogma being proven false by the Galileo case, it is demoted to a matter of astronomy. But the Galileo case was not about astronomy it was about the truth of the Bible and the unanimous teaching of the Fathers.

To understand the Galileo case properly as a Catholic one has to go Back to the Council of Trent. it said: "that no one who distorts the Sacred Scripture according to his own opinions, shall dare to interpret the said Sacred Scripture contrary to that sense which is held by holy Mother Church, whose duty it is to judge regarding the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers , even though interpretations of this kind were never intended to be brought to light."

In its catechism, it said: "He so ordered the celestial bodies in a certain and uniform course that nothing varies more than their continual revolution, while nothing is more fixed than their variety…. "

Now why did Pope Paul V and Pope Urban VIII define heliocentrism formal heresy?
Here is why: "(1) “That the sun is in the centre of the world and altogether immovable by local movement,” was unanimously declared to be “foolish, philosophically absurd, and formally heretical [denial of a revelation by God] inasmuch as it expressly contradicts the declarations of Holy Scripture in many passages, according to the proper meaning of the language used, and the sense in which they have been expounded and understood by the Fathers and theologians.” 1616 decree of pope Paul V.

Now here is the test of your Catholicism. Were all the popes, theologians and Councils of your Church wrong in holding to ALL the Fathers reading of the Scriptures as meaning a moving sun and stars? Your faith depends on the answer to this. From 1820, when Pope Pius VII was conned into believing heliocentrism of modern astronomers was correct and he allowed heliocentric books to be taken off the Index, the consensus was that yes, they were all wrong.

Let us now tell the truth, based on your faith now, not on your pride in your science. If you have faith, the Church was never proven wrong. If your pride in science is more important to you, then your Catholicism is not divinely protected so is no different to other religions. For 33 years I studied the subject while writing my 'Earthmovers.' I found all those proofs for heliocentrism and against geocentrism were false 'proofs,' that a geocentric universe would produce the same effects. Finally two tests in 1880 and 1887 failed to find an orbiting Earth. The evidence now pointed to a geocentric universe. it took Albert Einstein with his STR to keep their heliocentrism a possibility while admitting geocentrism was never proven wrong and thus never proving the Fathers, popes, theologians, and Bellarmine wrong when he told Galileo in 1616 his heliocentrism was heresy so to abandon it. Galileo never did and was found guilty of suspected heresy in 1633. I also found that no pope in history ever attempted to deny the 1616 decree, and the Holy Office in 1820 said it was papal and irreformable.

Oh, I also see Pope Leo XIII's 1893 Providentissimus deus is again used above to allow a heliocentric of Scripture based on the word 'sunrise.' Well this encyclical also confirmed that when all the Fathers agree on a meaning of Scripture that cannot be changed. So this letter on Scripture cannot be said to promote a heliocentric reading. as so many have used it to promote the heresy.

Which leads us to human pride. Many authors who tried to give a false account of the Galileo case 'to save the Church' wrote that only an IGNORANT person would adhere to the ruling of the Church in 1616. and 1633. So to abide by your faith and protect Pope Paul V's definition, you will be an ignorant person in our time. If however, people got their facts right, it could overturn 400 years of ridicule of the Catholic Church.


The following day the talk disappeared. I wonder why?