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Offline s2srea

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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2011, 07:40:22 AM »
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  • Quote from: Man of the West

    In a manner of speaking, yes. I studied engineering physics and "Earth Systems Sciences" (which is basically geology with an interdisciplinary outreach toward meteorology, biology, and chemistry) at the Colorado School of Mines. I've also studied philosophy up to the graduate level at CU. Not that I place much emphasis on this, but perhaps it is helpful, from time to time, to mention that I am not entirely without authority in such matters.

    And you're welcome.  :cool:


    Very nice! Well its good that you share this with us. For myself, this particular subject isn't that interesting. You seem good-willed and like a good Catholic. Its good that you share your knowledge with us, even if we disagree most of the time. I hope that doesn't stop you from posting here, though I could imagine it would be discouraging. Even though I disagree with some of your positions, specifically on the conspiracy related subjects, I like reading the counter-points as well. Its good not to just read one 'side' constantly.


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    « Reply #16 on: October 26, 2011, 12:39:23 PM »
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  • Flub :)
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    « Reply #17 on: October 26, 2011, 12:44:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Man of the West
    Do you mean to suggest that commercial airlines -- who can scarcely make a profit to begin with, who are already taking every measure to cut weight and fuel consumption -- are not only loading up their planes with hundreds of additional pounds of chemtrail dust, but deliberately flying out of their way with their increased burden to make "patterns" in the sky, and that the longsuffering passangers with their GPS-equipped smartphones never notice the detour? And for what end, to make clouds? Now that is ridiculous.


    Where did I mention that this is being done by commercial airliners?  What is ridiculous is your boxing with a shadow of your making.  Boy, you CREAMED that shadow, Boss...way to go!

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    But even supposing, per impossibile, that the airlines were up there wasting time making clouds, absolutely nothing bad has resulted from any of this.


    Again...boxing with shadows.
     
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    Epic fail, Eamon. Utterly pathetic.


    Not really, as I already knew you use the sorry excuse that follows, you arrogant sack.

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    The vast majority of the planes that you'll see flying over metropolitan areas will (obviously) be those flying into or out of the airport(s); hence flying at low altitudes, were contrails do not naturally form anyway.


    This is plain to all.

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    Once an airliner reaches its cruising altitude there is no particular reason for it to fly over a city


    Who said anything about flying right over a city?  No one.  MoW, your reading comprehension is in need of some serious improvement.  An airplane at 35K ft, say, would not even need to fly directly over a city in order to be visible to the inhabitants of that city and for miles in all directions.  Surely you grasp this.

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    since it will take the most economical flightpath toward its destination, and since most of the country is uninhabited


    That may be true for large chunks of the western US, but it sure as hell is NOT true east of the Mississippi.  Get a new argument.

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    high altitude jets are not seen with any exaggerated frequency over urban areas, and there would be no reason to expect an especially large number of contrails to appear there.


    Again, I said "an area", not specifying urban or rural.

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    But if your theory were correct, then you might see an escalating number of chemtrails at low altitudes, since flying low over an urban corridor would be the optimum way to disperse whatever nefarious agent you allege they're afflicting upon us, hitting the densest population centers at the least cost.


    LOL!  I never said the goal was to directly affect densely populated areas, did I?  BTW, if they did what you suggest, even the most calcified boneheads would suspect something ;)

    MoW, push your disinfo/pseudo-science somewhere else.  You argue with points that were NEVER MADE -- and then you want arrogantly present yourself as scientifically literate!  This forum is not for kewl-aiders nor shadow-boxing douche bags.
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    « Reply #18 on: October 26, 2011, 01:04:51 PM »
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  • GV,
    Ending a comment to someone with "you arrogant sack" and other names does not help your side of the arguement.  

    Do you call people names in face-to-face conversations or do you only resort to name-calling on the internet?  

    Since I know that you have experience teaching young students I am going to keep hoping for better manners from you.  

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    « Reply #19 on: October 26, 2011, 01:05:52 PM »
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  • I suppose this professional meteorologist is just scientifically illiterate...



    Seriously, one has to be a willfully-blind kewl-aid guzzler or just plain stupid to buy the absurd explanation that chemtrails are really just contrails.
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    « Reply #20 on: October 26, 2011, 01:06:29 PM »
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  • It does little for your case to respond to his attempt to explain the phenomena by attacking him Eamon. If you're going to prove people wrong, or prove your case as right, why don't you share some of the knowledge you have? You have time enough it seems by the amount of time you took to respond to his post.

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    « Reply #21 on: October 26, 2011, 01:07:34 PM »
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  • Nice. We posted @ 11:04, :05, and :06. I'll watch the video . Thanks Eamon.

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    « Reply #22 on: October 26, 2011, 01:14:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: ora pro me
    GV,
    Ending a comment to someone with "you arrogant sack" and other names does not help your side of the argument.


    MoW thinks that he is the only scientifically literate person here and is talking down to those whose position is far more rational than the disinfo he presented.  His post contained several snide remarks, especially when he was 'destroying' arguments that no one even made, so I called a spade a spade.  If that bothers you, so be it.

    s2s,

    He attacked me, I responded.  Reread his post..."epic fail...utterly pathetic...etc", basically saying that those who disagree with him are scientifically illiterate.
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    « Reply #23 on: October 26, 2011, 01:14:58 PM »
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  • Some men just won't believe that the government is anything but benign. Even the most damning evidence (e.g., the events of 9/11) won't budge them -- they'll believe any irrational explanation, to convince themselves their world hasn't been shattered.

    I'd rather face reality, personally, as would Eamon -- but unfortunately not everyone has the guts for that.

    I got my "call a spade a spade" from my dad -- he's the reason my last name ends with "Mc". What do you know, Eamon is ethnically Irish as well!

    The Irish have plenty of faults, but one of their common virtues is being BS-proof. God bless 'em!

    The evidence for malicious spraying of chemicals and elements into the atmosphere is overwhelming.

    I suppose MoTW doesn't believe in HAARP either -- and believes the official story of 9/11?

    If either one of those are true, I will dismiss anything he says.
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    « Reply #24 on: October 26, 2011, 02:08:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: ManOfTheWest
    Chemtrails do not exist. They are another fruitless conspiracy theory which absorbs attention that would be better spent elsewhere.


     :facepalm:

    Come on, I've even heard a Novus Ordo priest talk about how chemtrails exist.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #25 on: October 26, 2011, 02:38:46 PM »
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  • Weatherman admits Military Dumping Chemtrails

    My conscience compels me to make this disclaimer lest God judges me partly culpable for the errors and heresy promoted on this forum... For the record I support neither Sedevacantism or the SSPX.  I do not define myself as either a traditionalist or Novus


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    « Reply #26 on: October 26, 2011, 02:42:15 PM »
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  • Here are some news items about "them" -- i.e, the Criminal Syndicate that is raping all of us right now, and has been raping the formerly-Christian West for centuries.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2011/10/25/wartime-contracting-commission-classifies-findings-for-next-20-years/

    Uh, why classify the files from a project whose SOLE purpose is to discover, expose, and correct government waste?  Ya think they might have come across massive FRAUD?  What good will it do to read such docs 20 years from now?  How stupid do they think we are?  Whatever happened to that investigation into the Pentagon's "missing" $2.3T, which Rumsfeld mentioned on...9/10/01?

    Here... http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27307 ... you can learn how we are now in Uganda, too!  Soon, it will be Syria, then Iran.

    Here... https://rt.com/news/google-report-police-brutality-767/ ... you can read about increasing police brutality, or you could look into the Pigs' response to peaceful protestors in Oakland.  Ironically, we are (we pretend) going into various countries because they are cracking down too hard on people...what a sick joke!

    Here... http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1285/006/Banks_Have_Put_Americans_On_The_Hook_For_Trillions:_Restore_Glass-Steagall.html ... you can learn about BoA, with the complicity of the Fed, putting $75T worth of fraudulent derivatives on the back of the people.  You could also look up how BO just shafted us all AGAIN... http://dailybail.com/home/new-obama-foreclosure-plan-shifts-fraud-liability-from-wall.html ...or you can read about the $16T Bernanke created (on the sly) from 2008 to 2010... http://www.unelected.org/audit-of-the-federal-reserve-reveals-16-trillion-in-secret-bailouts

    Wake up, MoW.  THEY are the sociopaths in almost all positions of power and the biggies are the banksters who seek to remain off radar (Rothschild et alii).  They could give two squirts of rat piss for you or me.  Do you think all the genetically modified food is some kind of benefit, or perhaps it is all just an accident?  Forgetting chemtrails for a moment...If you think there is no "they" or that they would not commit mass murder, etc., you are completely blind and utterly ignorant of reality -- and CI is the wrong place to waste your time trying to convince the awake to go back to sleep.  FWIW, I am only being hard on you because you are, in fact, intelligent and seem to be a decent guy...but the time you have left to get your head out of your ass is shorter than you think.  Wake up, my friend...THEY are busily destroying all that any "Man of the West" should stand for...and they will run over you and yours as they go about their business.

    [FWIW, I could link hundreds of similar stories dealing with a dozen or more areas of life -- water, food, banking, cнιℓd тrαffιcking, the military-industrial complex, 9/11, 7/7/05, Israel, the origins of AIDS and the corrupt nature of the pharmacological industry, vaccines, etc., etc., etc.]
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    « Reply #27 on: October 26, 2011, 03:02:59 PM »
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  • Caminus specifically asked for some RELIABLE information in the original post. I will leave it to the forum to judge who has made a good-faith effort to be helpful and informative, and who has not. Now if it please the readers, I shall deal with some of the objections raised to my account, such as they are.

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    Where did I mention that this is being done by commercial airliners?  What is ridiculous is your boxing with a shadow of your making.  Boy, you CREAMED that shadow, Boss...way to go!


    I’m not boxing with shadows. There has been some conversational implicature throughout this thread to the effect that we were speaking about commercial air traffic, and that is the assumption I made. If the jets to which Caminus referred in the original post had been military, or otherwise suspicious, I’m sure he would have identified them as such, as it is a salient fact which would have qualified his question and lent it an increased urgency. That he did not do so leads me to believe (as I’m sure it would lead most people to believe) that he was speaking about ordinary, commercial jets. In any case, none of this effects the core of my argument, which was rooted in physics (which knows no distinction between commercial and military).

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    Who said anything about flying right over a city?  No one.  MoW, your reading comprehension is in need of some serious improvement.


    Actually, you said it. Is this not your typing?

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    FWIW, if the chemtrail debunkers' explanations were legitimate/reasonable, you'd actually see MANY MORE "long-lasting contrails" above major metropolitan areas than you do on those days when the conditions are as their theory suggests.


    It seems that my reading comprehension is just fine, while you are unable to even remember what you wrote (or unwilling to acknowledge it). Cast aspersions if you must, but the facts are here for everybody to see.

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    since it will take the most economical flightpath toward its destination, and since most of the country is uninhabited


    That may be true for large chunks of the western US, but it sure as hell is NOT true east of the Mississippi.  Get a new argument.


    The argument was that high-altitude jets, which are the only ones that usually form contrails, would not be flying over cities with any more frequency than they would be flying over any random point on the earth’s surface. This would be true no matter how densely the cities were packed; i.e., it would be true east or west of the Mississippi. It is the low-altitude jets flying into and out of airports, which do not form contrails, which are seen with increased frequency over cities, and not seen in uninhabited areas. This was written in order to refute your statement that, if I were right, one should expect to see many more contrails over urban areas than one actually does. I have shown that this expectation is false.

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    MoW, push your disinfo/pseudo-science somewhere else.  You argue with points that were NEVER MADE -- and then you want arrogantly present yourself as scientifically literate!  This forum is not for kewl-aiders nor shadow-boxing douche bags.


    I’m not going to dignify that.

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    I suppose this professional meteorologist is just scientifically illiterate...



    One wonders how you come off criticizing other people’s reading comprehension when you can’t even absorb the contents of a thirty-seven second video. The meteorologist in that clip specifically identified those radar reflections as chaff. CHAFF!

    Chaff is neither new nor controversial. It has no long-term deleterious effects on the weather or on human health.  And since the military has to use it in combat, one would expect them to train with it once in a while, over friendly skies, where the results of the exercise could be studied. There is not one mention of chemtrails here.

    Please everybody, watch Gladius’ vaunted video and see for yourself if he knows what he’s talking about.

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    Some men just won't believe that the government is anything but benign. Even the most damning evidence (e.g., the events of 9/11) won't budge them -- they'll believe any irrational explanation, to convince themselves their world hasn't been shattered.


    I have called the United Government a “criminal organization that deserved deposition many times over” right here, in the pages of your own forum. If you’re going to make an ad hominem attack, you should at least make sure that it sticks. (It’s a non sequitur too, by the way. And also a false dichotomy. But I have to hand it to you, packing so many logical fallacies into two sentences. That isn’t easy to do.)

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    I got my "call a spade a spade" from my dad -- he's the reason my last name ends with "Mc". What do you know, Eamon is ethnically Irish as well!

    The Irish have plenty of faults, but one of their common virtues is being BS-proof. God bless 'em!


    It must have skipped a generation with you two. Sorry, that was a little fresh; but seriously, you guys seem to have fallen for every urban legend drifting around out there.

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    I suppose MoTW doesn't believe in HAARP either -- and believes the official story of 9/11?

    If either one of those are true, I will dismiss anything he says.


    I’ve already said repeatedly that I do NOT believe the United States government had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks besides being negligent. As to HAARP, of course I “believe” in it. It’s a research facility in Alaska; it exists. And it does the kind of research that I happen to be interested in. Did you ever stop to think about  how cool plasma physics is, or do you just want see cօռspιʀαcιҽs everywhere? Do you realize how many applications this research has? You are only depriving yourself of a chance to be more excited and engaged by the wonders of nature when you focus exclusively on these dour cօռspιʀαcιҽs.  Go ahead and dismiss me, but I think you’re refusing the better part.

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    Come on, I've even heard a Novus Ordo priest talk about how chemtrails exist.


    Well, hang it all, that should settle it.  :laugh1:
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    « Reply #28 on: October 26, 2011, 03:07:02 PM »
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    I suppose this professional meteorologist is just scientifically illiterate...



    Seriously, one has to be a willfully-blind kewl-aid guzzler or just plain stupid to buy the absurd explanation that chemtrails are really just contrails.


    That's interesting, it confirms what a friend of my said regarding chemtrails, that it has to do with military radar/satellite interception/disruption.

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    « Reply #29 on: October 26, 2011, 03:15:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: gladius veritatis
    Wake up, MoW.  THEY are the sociopaths in almost all positions of power and the biggies are the banksters who seek to remain off radar (Rothschild et alii).  They could give two squirts of rat piss for you or me.  Do you think all the genetically modified food is some kind of benefit, or perhaps it is all just an accident?  Forgetting chemtrails for a moment...If you think there is no "they" or that they would not commit mass murder, etc., you are completely blind and utterly ignorant of reality -- and CI is the wrong place to waste your time trying to convince the awake to go back to sleep.  FWIW, I am only being hard on you because you are, in fact, intelligent and seem to be a decent guy...but the time you have left to get your head out of your ass is shorter than you think.  Wake up, my friend...THEY are busily destroying all that any "Man of the West" should stand for...and they will run over you and yours as they go about their business.


    Thanks for your concern and your attempt at kindness. I think.

    Look, for what it's worth, I do believe I understand where you're coming from, and you're right to insist upon the existence of some very real, very evil dangers lurking in the world. I would like to explore that common ground further, in the future.
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