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Offline SimonJude

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Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2025, 05:16:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on November 05, 2025, 04:57:52 PM
    Leave the deceased Bp. Williamson (and his GOOD NAME, which he has EVERY RIGHT TO) out of it.
    What did he say bad about +Williamson?
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    Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
    « Reply #16 on: November 05, 2025, 05:35:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 05, 2025, 04:53:58 PM
    3) Fr. Pfeiffer showing up at +Williamson's door and engaging in one of the most childish and embarrassing exchanges I have ever heard about from grown men, mostly because +Williamson wouldn't consecrate Fr. Pfeiffer
    There was nothing childish in Bishop Williamson's telling the unwelcome and mischievous caller to "get lost" and closing the door in his face. That was surely the only avenue open to him. The childishness that ensued had nothing to do with Bishop Williamson.

    The implication that Bishop Williamson should have consecrated Fr Pfeiffer is strange indeed, Ladislaus! While this sort of thing happened too often from the very inception of sedevacantism, it is not the way the Catholic Church operates. Subordinates (not to mention rebellious ones) do not go to their superiors and request (let alone demand) promotion!
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    Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
    « Reply #17 on: November 05, 2025, 05:39:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on November 05, 2025, 05:06:32 PM
    That's funny, because not a single person has reported anything to me in days. Usually I get moderator reports when there are actual, concrete issues on the forum (specific posts that need addressing).
    Maybe that just means that the people who are offended don't go whine to the moderator.   That being said, if  +Williamson is not to be discussed, then it would only be fair to say all deceased Bishops and Priests are not to be chastised on this forum.  God has decided on their fate and nothing we say changes any of that.

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    Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
    « Reply #18 on: November 05, 2025, 05:40:20 PM »
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    • Technical difficulties.
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    Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
    « Reply #19 on: November 05, 2025, 05:49:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on November 05, 2025, 05:35:04 PM

    The implication that Bishop Williamson should have consecrated Fr Pfeiffer is strange indeed, Ladislaus!
    I didn't read any such implication at all.

    We should learn to read what is written rather than reading between the lines (implications, extrapolations, assumptions).
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    Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
    « Reply #20 on: November 05, 2025, 05:58:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on November 05, 2025, 05:40:20 PM
    Technical difficulties.
    SO many technical difficulties with Cathinfo on my end, too!
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    Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
    « Reply #21 on: November 05, 2025, 06:01:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimonJude on November 05, 2025, 05:49:25 PM
    I didn't read any such implication at all.

    We should learn to read what is written rather than reading between the lines (implications, extrapolations, assumptions).
    You may be right, my apologies to Ladislaus if that is the case. My reading was coloured by recollections (possibly erroneous) that Ladislaus has opined as much previously. I hope he will confirm that I am mistaken.

    One should also interpret what is said in light of what is known from other sources to give it precision. However, I may have erred.
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    Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
    « Reply #22 on: November 05, 2025, 08:48:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on November 05, 2025, 05:40:20 PM

    Technical difficulties.
    Quote from: SimonJude on November 05, 2025, 05:58:13 PM

    SO many technical difficulties with Cathinfo on my end, too!
    Me too. It's just slow loading for me. I wonder if Matthew's internet provider is limiting bandwidth.


    Usually refreshing works. I tried resending this post via refresh 20 times before going back, and retyping and submitting it to make it work. I still may have needed to refresh it once for it to go through.
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    Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
    « Reply #23 on: November 05, 2025, 09:13:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: St Giles on November 05, 2025, 08:48:26 PM
    Me too. It's just slow loading for me. I wonder if Matthew's internet provider is limiting bandwidth.


    Usually refreshing works. I tried resending this post via refresh 20 times before going back, and retyping and submitting it to make it work. I still may have needed to refresh it once for it to go through.
    Similar on my end. Refresh, go back, try again, wait.  Very frustrating.
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    Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
    « Reply #24 on: November 05, 2025, 09:34:53 PM »
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    • To be honest, neither the Resistance nor the SSPX has produced much fruit.

    The Resistance after 13 years:
    - Main men Pfeiffer and Hewko off in the woods some place.
    - Other main man Fr. Chazal - how many vocations in his seminary?
    - How many priests has the Resistance produced after 13 years?

    The SSPX after 50+ years:
    - Got into bed on the quiet with GREC basically right after +Lefebvre died - ouch
    - Fellay/Vasal, etc., covering up and moving around pervy priests
    - Loses a huge percentage of priests they've ordained and don't conditionally ordain others
    - Huonder lol

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    Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
    « Reply #25 on: November 05, 2025, 10:44:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimonJude on November 05, 2025, 05:16:33 PM
    What did he say bad about +Williamson?
    I didn't delete it just so I could type it out here. I'm not stupid.
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    Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
    « Reply #26 on: November 06, 2025, 04:47:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on November 05, 2025, 09:34:53 PM
    To be honest, neither the Resistance nor the SSPX has produced much fruit.

    The Resistance after 13 years:
    - Main men Pfeiffer and Hewko off in the woods some place.
    - Other main man Fr. Chazal - how many vocations in his seminary?
    - How many priests has the Resistance produced after 13 years?

    The SSPX after 50+ years:
    - Got into bed on the quiet with GREC basically right after +Lefebvre died - ouch
    - Fellay/Vasal, etc., covering up and moving around pervy priests
    - Loses a huge percentage of priests they've ordained and don't conditionally ordain others
    - Huonder lol
    Not produced much fruit? Since the SSPX started from nothing and is now all over the world, and the Resistance which came from the SSPX and is still growing - that is fruit. Even many (most?) of the sede groups with valid priests and bishops came from the good Archbishop Lefebvre's SSPX. 

    Consider that there was a time in the beginning of this crisis that you could not find a priest, or a Mass and sacraments anywhere, because the very, very few that were around hid themselves - but that all changed with the birth of the SSPX. So please don't say they haven't produced much fruit. 

    Your post above demonstrates the devil will never stop using his "Divide and conquer" tactic, he works hardest on those trying, the others not so much.    
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    Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
    « Reply #27 on: November 06, 2025, 04:58:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on November 05, 2025, 09:34:53 PM
    To be honest, neither the Resistance nor the SSPX has produced much fruit.

    The Resistance after 13 years:
    - Main men Pfeiffer and Hewko off in the woods some place.
    - Other main man Fr. Chazal - how many vocations in his seminary?
    - How many priests has the Resistance produced after 13 years?

    The SSPX after 50+ years:
    - Got into bed on the quiet with GREC basically right after +Lefebvre died - ouch
    - Fellay/Vasal, etc., covering up and moving around pervy priests
    - Loses a huge percentage of priests they've ordained and don't conditionally ordain others
    - Huonder lol

    Great!


    Now compare that to THIS....



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    Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
    « Reply #28 on: November 06, 2025, 06:07:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on November 05, 2025, 09:34:53 PM
    To be honest, neither the Resistance nor the SSPX has produced much fruit.

    The Resistance after 13 years:
    - Main men Pfeiffer and Hewko off in the woods some place.
    - Other main man Fr. Chazal - how many vocations in his seminary?
    - How many priests has the Resistance produced after 13 years?

    The SSPX after 50+ years:
    - Got into bed on the quiet with GREC basically right after +Lefebvre died - ouch
    - Fellay/Vasal, etc., covering up and moving around pervy priests
    - Loses a huge percentage of priests they've ordained and don't conditionally ordain others
    - Huonder lol
    To be honest...

    I guess you didn't put much thought into that.

    It makes as much sense as saying the Catholic Church hasn't borne much fruit, looking at the thousands upon thousands of sects that have split off from Her, Her many unfaithful children like Martin Luther...

    Any Traditional Catholic who attacks Archbishop Lefebvre and his providential work that saved the Faith and Liturgy in the greatest crisis in Church history will have an account to render one day to the Just Judge.

    To be absolutely honest.
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    Re: Checking in on Sedevacantism
    « Reply #29 on: November 06, 2025, 08:12:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on November 05, 2025, 10:44:13 PM
    I didn't delete it just so I could type it out here. I'm not stupid.
    I didn't know you deleted anything.
    So now I understand my confusion.
    Thanks for the clarification.
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