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Offline hollingsworth

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Charlie Hebdo- false flag?
« on: January 19, 2015, 01:49:22 PM »
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  • Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is a genuine truthseeker, IMO.  His article reprinted below points up all the features of this event which would indicate that the Charlie Hebdo killings was a carefully orchestrated event, having all the markings of a Mossad or CIA hit.  Roberts does not mention either of these intelligence agencies.  But I think we know who he's talking about.  Remember, President Hollande had spoken just days earlier about recognizing a Palestinian state.  He had also advocated ending EU sanctions against Russia.  Those are two no-nos.  France had to be punished. After the massacre, the French public, it seems, fell right back into line, condemning jihadist terror.  Sometimes I think the French are almost as stupid as the Americans.


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    Charlie Hebdo
    Paul Craig Roberts
    The Charlie Hebdo affair has many of the characteristics of a false flag operation. The attack on the cartoonists’ office was a disciplined professional attack of the kind associated with highly trained special forces; yet the suspects who were later corralled and killed seemed bumbling and unprofessional. It is like two different sets of people.
    Usually Muslim terrorists are prepared to die in the attack; yet the two professionals who hit Charlie Hebdo were determined to escape and succeeded, an amazing feat. Their identity was allegedly established by the claim that they conveniently left for the authorities their ID in the getaway car. Such a mistake is inconsistent with the professionalism of the attack and reminds me of the undamaged passport found miraculously among the ruins of the two WTC towers that served to establish the identity of the alleged 9/11 hijackers.
    It is a plausible inference that the ID left behind in the getaway car was the ID of the two Kouachi brothers, convenient patsies, later killed by police, and from whom we will never hear anything, and not the ID of the professionals who attacked Charlie Hebdo. An important fact that supports this inference is the report that the third suspect in the attack, Hamyd Mourad, the alleged driver of the getaway car, when seeing his name circulating on social media as a suspect realized the danger he was in and quickly turned himself into the police for protection against being murdered by security forces as a terrorist.
    Hamyd Mourad says he has an iron-clad alibi. If so, this makes him the despoiler of a false flag attack. Authorities will have to say that despite being wrong about Mourad, they were right about the Kouachi brothers. Alternatively, Mourad could be coerced or tortured into some sort of confession that supports the official story. https://www.intellihub.com/18-year-old-charlie-hebdo-suspect-surrenders-police-claims-alibi/
    The American and European media have ignored the fact that Mourad turned himself in for protection from being killed as a terrorist as he has an alibi. I googled Hamid Mourad and all I found (January 12) was the main US and European media reporting that the third suspect had turned himself in. The reason for his surrender was left out of the reports. The news was reported in a way that gave credence to the accusation that the suspect who turned himself in was part of the attack on Charlie Hebdo. Not a single US mainstream media source reported that the alleged suspect turned himself in because he has an ironclad alibi.
    Some media merely reported Mourad’s surrender in a headline with no coverage in the report. The list that I googled includes the Washington Post (January 7 by Griff Witte and Anthony Faiola); Die Welt (Germany) “One suspect has turned himself in to police in connection with Wednesday’s massacre at the offices of Parisian satirical magazine, Charlie Hebdo;” ABC News (January 7) “Youngest suspect in Charlie Hebdo Attack turns himself in;” CNN (January 8) “Citing sources, the Agence France Presse news agency reported that an 18-year-old suspect in the attack had surrendered to police.”
    Another puzzle in the official story that remains unreported by the presstitute media is the alleged suicide of a high ranking member of the French Judicial Police who had an important role in the Charlie Hebdo investigation. For unknown reasons, Helric Fredou, a police official involved in the most important investigation of a lifetime, decided to kill himself in his police office on January 7 or January 8 (both dates are reported in the foreign media) in the middle of the night while writing his report on his investigation. A google search as of 6pm EST January 13 turns up no mainstream US media report of this event. The alternative media reports it, as do some UK newspapers, but without suspicion or mention whether his report has disappeared. The official story is that Fredou was suffering from “depression” and “burnout,” but no evidence is provided. Depression and burnout are the standard explanations of mysterious deaths that have unsettling implications.
    Once again we see the US print and TV media serving as a ministry of propaganda for Washington. In place of investigation, the media repeats the government’s implausible story.
    It behoves us all to think. Why would Muslims be more outraged by cartoons in a Paris magazine than by hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed by Washington and its French and NATO vassals in seven countries during the past 14 years?
    If Muslims wanted to make a point of the cartoons, why not bring a hate crime charge or lawsuit? Imagine what would happen to a European magazine that dared to satirize Jews in the way Charlie Hebdo satirized Muslims. Indeed, in Europe people are imprisoned for investigating the holocaust without entirely confirming every aspect of it.
    If a Muslim lawsuit was deep-sixed by French authorities, the Muslims would have made their point. Killing people merely contributes to the demonization of Muslims, a result that only serves Washington’s wars against Muslim countries.
    If Muslims are responsible for the attack on Charlie Hebdo, what Muslim goal did they achieve? None whatsoever. Indeed, the attack attributed to Muslims has ended French and European sympathy and support for Palestine and European opposition to more US wars against Muslims. Just recently France had voted in the UN with Palestine against the US-Israeli position. This assertion of an independent French foreign policy was reinforced by the recent statement by the President of France that the economic sanctions against Russia should be terminated.
    Clearly, France was showing too much foreign policy independence. The attack on Charlie Hebdo serves to cow France and place France back under Washington’s thumb.
    Some will contend that Muslims are sufficiently stupid to shoot themselves in the head in this way. But how do we reconcile such alleged stupidity with the alleged Muslim 9/11 and Charlie Hebdo professional attacks?
    If we believe the official story, the 9/11 attack on the US shows that 19 Muslims, largely Saudis, without any government or intelligence service support, outwitted not only all 16 US intelligence agencies, the National Security Council, Dick Cheney and all the neoconservatives in high positions throughout the US government, and airport security, but also the intelligence services of NATO and Israel’s Mossad. How can such intelligent and capable people, who delivered the most humiliating blow in world history to an alleged Superpower with no difficulty whatsoever despite giving every indication of their intentions, possibly be so stupid as to shoot themselves in the head when they could have thrown France into turmoil with a mere lawsuit?
    The Charlie Hebdo story simply doesn’t wash. If you believe it, you are no match for a Muslim.
    Some who think that they are experts will say that a false flag attack in France would be impossible without the cooperation of French intelligence. To this I say that it is practically a certainty that the CIA has more control over French intelligence than does the President of France. Operation Gladio proves this. The largest part of the government of Italy was ignorant of the bombings conducted by the CIA and Italian Intelligence against European women and children and blamed on communists in order to diminish the communist vote in elections.
    Americans are a pitifully misinformed people. All of history is a history of false flag operations. Yet Americans dismiss such proven operations as “conspiracy theories,” which merely proves that government has successfully brainwashed insouciant Americans and deprived them of the ability to recognize the truth.
    Americans are the foremost among the captive nations.
    Who will liberate them?
     Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following

    Offline TheKnightVigilant

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    Charlie Hebdo- false flag?
    « Reply #1 on: January 19, 2015, 01:57:39 PM »
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  • Yeah, no Muslim would ever take the Quran's repeated calls to massacre the infidels wherever you find them seriously.


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    Charlie Hebdo- false flag?
    « Reply #2 on: January 19, 2015, 02:30:33 PM »
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  • TKV:  
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    Yeah, no Muslim would ever take the Quran's repeated calls to massacre the infidels wherever you find them seriously.


    Did I say that?  Did I suggest or imply that, TKV?   I simply think, for the reasons stated above, that France had to be humbled at brought back into line with EU and anti-Russian long range objectives.  Hollande slipped momentarily.  But he got a good slap upside the head.  He came to his senses very suddenly.  Could I be wrong?  Of course!  But there are a number of details about this massacre which do not compute.  Ron Paul and Paul Craig Roberts are nobody's fools.

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    Charlie Hebdo- false flag?
    « Reply #3 on: January 19, 2015, 02:46:51 PM »
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    TKV:  
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    Yeah, no Muslim would ever take the Quran's repeated calls to massacre the infidels wherever you find them seriously.


    Did I say that?  Did I suggest or imply that, TKV?   I simply think, for the reasons stated above, that France had to be humbled at brought back into line with EU and anti-Russian long range objectives.  Hollande slipped momentarily.  But he got a good slap upside the head.  He came to his senses very suddenly.  Could I be wrong?  Of course!  But there are a number of details about this massacre which do not compute.  Ron Paul and Paul Craig Roberts are nobody's fools.


    Good points (bolded)

    Paul Craig Roberts posits logical details that need to be seriously weighed.

    However, it is very difficult for those with a neocon mentality to be objective. Their paradigm that cannot be moved.  

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    Charlie Hebdo- false flag?
    « Reply #4 on: January 19, 2015, 04:30:22 PM »
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  • PerEvangelica:  
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    However, it is very difficult for those with a neocon mentality to be objective.


    I couldn't find this topic.  Matthew moved it here.  "Resistance Movement" may be confused with "SSPX Resistance."  Matthew might want to reconsider renaming it, but no matter.
    Many Catholics, along with the rest of the population, are readily persuaded to be against the Muslims.  That's understandable.  I don't want to be around most of the them either, especially in my own community, especially the extra-chromosome militant Muslims.  They need to be watched and controlled by Western Govts.  No argument there.  But what I can not understand for the life of me is how so many Catholics seem to get sucked into the  neocon propaganda.  The neocons work assiduously at turning us all against the Muslims.  Why?   Because it then helps Israel and the you-know-whos to cover up their own crimes.  It's a win win for them.  Lay the blame for all the death, destruction and chaos in the world at the feet of the Muslims, and the real behind the scenes perpetrators are ignored.  That's why I posted this particular topic.  There's much more to this issue than meets the eye.


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    Charlie Hebdo- false flag?
    « Reply #5 on: January 19, 2015, 06:57:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    ...  the Charlie Hebdo killings was a carefully orchestrated event, having all the markings of a Mossad or CIA hit.  Roberts does not mention either of these intelligence agencies.  But I think we know who he's talking about.


     :laugh1:

    The argument does indeed hinge on how professional the attack was compared to how it ended.  Guess he does leave the part out when they started out at the wrong address with their guns and masks on and asking "Is this Charlie Hebdo?"  Yeah, sure seem like an elite forced in a carefully orchestrated event.

     :laugh1:

    Yes, they learned how to handle a gun, the rest was very bad preperation and execution... on par with their botched getaway.


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    « Reply #6 on: January 19, 2015, 07:16:54 PM »
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  • Actually, they shouted "Where's Charlie Hebdo" which is even worse!!!.  Had no one known, maybe this carefully crafted operation, with all the caracteristics of a Mossad or CIA operation would have failed.

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    Charlie Hebdo- false flag?
    « Reply #7 on: January 19, 2015, 07:44:58 PM »
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  • In some of the photos I have seen, I could swear the building was marked with the world Charlie Hebdo. Was this an old picture prior to the molotov cocktail incident or right after it?

    For the record, I did a long post in another thread being convinced it was a false flag. But, now I'm not so sure. I don't think it really matters if it was or not. Let me try to explain.

    I think what we often interpret as false flags, is the result of how events like these are interpreted through the false lens of those who are currently in control. Since these events always seem to get reported by the current regime to their benefit, we seem to automatically assume that they actually did it. It could have been done by Muslims very easily. And then we have to examine how they were provoked.

    Instead of sitting at our keyboards yelling false flag every time something happens, perhaps we should be taking action to explain why society needs to be re-engineered and work towards those changes.

    The terrorists yell "Allah Akbar", we type "false flag", and those in control and in real power continue their consolidation of the same. This insures that it keeps happening and at greater frequency. The song remains the same.  


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    « Reply #8 on: January 20, 2015, 12:03:03 AM »
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  • Le Pen sure sounds convinced it was a foreign intelligence operation

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    « Reply #9 on: January 20, 2015, 01:39:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: Iuvenalis
    Le Pen sure sounds convinced it was a foreign intelligence operation


    How so? I just looked up an article about her and it sounds like she still wants to throw all the Muslims out. What did she say that sounds like she thinks it was a foreign intel operation?

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    « Reply #10 on: January 20, 2015, 05:00:54 AM »
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    Le Pen sure sounds convinced it was a foreign intelligence operation


    It's precisely the opposite.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 20, 2015, 04:10:07 PM »
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  • Vandaler:
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    It's precisely the opposite.


    So?  Go on!  Explain why you think that it is exactly the opposite of a foreign intelligence operation.  We're all ears.  BTW, Vandaler, you don't post very often, do you?  Yours is not a user name which I recognize,(or maybe I just forgot it)

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    « Reply #12 on: January 20, 2015, 05:48:52 PM »
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    Vandaler:
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    It's precisely the opposite.


    So?  Go on!  Explain why you think that it is exactly the opposite of a foreign intelligence operation.  We're all ears.  BTW, Vandaler, you don't post very often, do you?  Yours is not a user name which I recognize,(or maybe I just forgot it)


    Precisely the opposite refers to Marie Le Pen's position on the matter.

    I already stated why it's not a foreign operation by rebutting the argument in the text in the opening post.  It's was not professional, evidence by how they bursted in the wrong address before finally getting it right.  

    The entire argument hinge on the professionalism of the operation.  

    I have 1600 posts and you a 1000 but yeah, I don't post anymore.

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    « Reply #13 on: January 29, 2015, 02:39:05 PM »
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  • hmm,

    I'm all ears also Hollingsworth.  

    Please do explain why you think it's Mossad or CIA... they are the only "expert" enough to storm in at the wrong adress and ask "Where is Charlie Hebdo" ?


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    « Reply #14 on: January 31, 2015, 03:45:16 PM »
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  • Vandaler, were these shooters so stupid as to leave an ID of one of them on the front seat of the escape vehicle? Was the apparently downed cop in the street outside building dispatched with an AK47 round to the head as apparently shown in the video?  Who informed the shooters that the Hebdo staff was meeting, so that they could be there just in time to deal with them collectively?  How come other workers in the office were not shot and killed?  How could the alleged shooters have been discovered so quickly after the event?  Were they stupid?  To have masterminded such a plot, carried it out, made their escape, and then be killed themselves so soon afterwards.   It doesn't add up to me.  One thing seems to be pretty clear now.  The Hebdo massacre seems to have fallen out of the news cycle.  Is that because the corporate media knows that there are too many unanswered questions, and that they'd better drop the matter now before folks start taking a really close look at it and the truth comes out?

     

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