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Offline poche

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« on: January 10, 2014, 03:59:17 AM »
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  • Malaysian police have recommended that the editor of the nation’s Catholic newspaper be charged with ѕєdιтισn, according to a Malaysian Insider report.

    Selangor, one of the nation’s 13 states, is governed by a sultan who has decreed that non-Muslims may not use the term “Allah” to address God. Christians in Malaysia have been using the term since the seventeenth century, and Father Lawrence Andrew, the editor, said that Catholic parishes in Selangor would continue to use the term.

    The police investigation of Father Andrew follows the Selangor government’s seizure of over 300 Bibles in which “Allah” is used as a translation for God.

    Father Augustine Julian, a former secretary of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of Malaysia, told the Fides news agency that “the situation is quite serious. There is great concern in the Catholic Church, because the story has taken a turn for the worse.”

    “The investigation of the judiciary in course is a subtle form of pressure towards all Christians,” he added. “There is strong concern in the community and tension with radical Islamic groups.”

    The Southeast Asian nation of 29.6 million is 60% Muslim, 19% Buddhist, 6% Hindu, 6% Protestant, and 3% Catholic. Islam is Malaysia’s official religion.


    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20156


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    « Reply #1 on: January 10, 2014, 06:27:51 AM »
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  • Frankly, given what the word, "Allah", connotes, I can not understand why any Christian would want to use the word to refer to the True God.

    I understand that "Allah" essentially means God in Arabic (at least that is what I am told), but it is not the word that Christians should use.  I note that Arabic is not the language of Malaysia so it seems that the wish to use "Allah" to refer to the True God is probably an ecuмenical gesture--one that the Muslims simply will not tolerate.  

    And I, as a Catholic, would not tolerate it either.  


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    « Reply #2 on: January 10, 2014, 07:37:59 AM »
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  • Until there are no nations with Islam as their national religion, there will not be religious tolerance.
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    « Reply #3 on: January 13, 2014, 12:06:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Frankly, given what the word, "Allah", connotes, I can not understand why any Christian would want to use the word to refer to the True God.

    I understand that "Allah" essentially means God in Arabic (at least that is what I am told), but it is not the word that Christians should use.  I note that Arabic is not the language of Malaysia so it seems that the wish to use "Allah" to refer to the True God is probably an ecuмenical gesture--one that the Muslims simply will not tolerate.  

    And I, as a Catholic, would not tolerate it either.  

    In Arabic when the Arabic Christians pray to God, they use the word "Allah" where the word "God" would be used.  

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    « Reply #4 on: January 21, 2014, 04:35:03 AM »
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  • The apostolic administrator of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia’s capital, has urged the nation’s Catholics to be courageous in the face of increasing opposition.

    Malaysian police have recommended that the editor of the nation’s Catholic newspaper be charged with ѕєdιтισn. Selangor, one of the nation’s 13 states, is governed by a sultan who has decreed that non-Muslims may not use the term “Allah” to address God. Christians in Malaysia have been using the term since the seventeenth century, and Father Lawrence Andrew, the editor, said that Catholic parishes in Selangor would continue to use the term.

    “I am deeply saddened and aggrieved by recent events involving the use of offensive words and the burning of an effigy of Father Lawrence Andrew, which is tantamount to an attack against the Christian community,” said Archbishop Murphy Pakiam in a January 18 pastoral letter.

    “It is deplorable that certain groups also wish to organize mega demonstrations and road shows,” he continued. “These insensible actions by groups of persons have caused a great deal of unease, anxiety and even anger among Malaysian citizens. Furthermore, the endorsement of such actions by certain political leaders and the unexplained silence of others only add fuel to a fire that seems to be spreading uncontrollably.”

    “I call upon the Catholic faithful to be strong through these adversities and continue to profess our faith with courage and determination,” he added.

    The Southeast Asian nation of 29.6 million is 60% Muslim, 19% Buddhist, 6% Hindu, 6% Protestant, and 3% Catholic. Islam is Malaysia’s official religion.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20250


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    « Reply #5 on: January 21, 2014, 07:50:55 AM »
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  • This guy is a Protestant, so take what he says with a pinch of salt.

    Don't Jehovah's Witnesses change all mentions of God the Father in the Scriptures to "Jehovah"? Jehovah comes from the tetragrammaton "YHWH" (which gives us "Yahweh") or "JHVH" (which gives us "Jehovah"). I'm vary wary about the term Yahweh. I'm not at all sure where it comes from and apparently certain occultists (esp. Kabbalah) use "YHWH" as a sacred name. I know that the famous entertainer "Jay Z" likes to call himself "Hove" (referring to Jehovah); he thinks of himself as a god, and a lot of people believe that he's involved with satanism / secret society stuff. That's scant knowledge, I know, it's just that, from what I can gather, none of the Fathers of the Church used the term "Yahweh" or "YHWH", and it seems that from whatever sources they got the Septuagint from, they did not come across the "YHWH". If anybody has better knowledge of this subject I'd be very pleased to hear / read about it.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 21, 2014, 07:56:31 AM »
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  • The truly sad and tragic component of all this suffering of Christians in Muslim countries is that, aside from the violent and deadly persecution from the Muslims, they only have the novus ordo mass and novus ordo presides.  

    Think of the emotional anguish when, after hearing of another dozen or so Christians being beheaded, the Catholics in these areas have to then tolerate a homily in which the presider talks about how all religions "point" to Heaven and then he probably mumbles something about taking up a second collection to help fund the construction of a new mosque.


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    « Reply #7 on: March 05, 2014, 03:07:43 AM »
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  • Malaysia’s supreme court will hear arguments this week in a challenge brought by Catholic Church leaders against a ban on the use of the word “Allah” in the country’s Catholic newspaper.

    Last October an appeals court rejected a plea by the Catholic newspaper, the Malaysia Herald, to allow continued use of the word “Allah,” which has been used for generations by Malay-speakers to refer to the Christian God. The ban stems from legislation that prohibits the use of “Allah” by non-Muslims.

    A decision in the case is expected within a matter of days after the March 5 hearing.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20677