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« on: July 04, 2012, 06:32:07 PM »
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  • "Hitler himself, and the nαzι doctrine he created, were unequivocally Opposed to any Individual right to Abortion." (Ms. Magazine, Oct. 1980)

    Steinem notes: "Under Hitler, choosing abortion became sabotage; a crime punishable by hard labor for the woman and a possible death penalty for the abortionist."


    "In the Germanic nations there has never been anything else than equality of rights for women. Both sexes have their rights, their tasks, and these tasks were in the case of each equal in dignity and value, and therefore man and woman were on an equality."  
    -Hitler in 1935
     




    One of the earliest laws passed by Hitler once he came to power in 1933, was the Law for the Encouragement of Marriage.
    This law stated that all newly married couples would get a government loan of 1000 marks which was about 9 months average income. 800,000 newly weds took up this offer.
    This loan was not to be simply paid back. The birth of one child meant that 25% of the loan did not have to be paid back. Two children meant that 50% of the loan need not be paid back. Four children meant that the entire loan was cleared.

    The aim of the law was very simple - to encourage newly weds to have as many children as they could.



    Women were not expected to work in nαzι Germany .
    In Weimar Germany there had been 100,000 female teachers, 3000 female doctors and 13,000 female musicians. Within months of Hitler coming to power, many female doctors and civil servants were sacked. This was followed by female teachers and lawyers. By the start of the Second World War, very few German women were in fulltime work.


    August 12th had been the birthday of Hitler’s mother. On this day each year, the Motherhood Cross was awarded to women who had given birth to the largest number of children. The gold cross went to women who had produced 8 children; silver was for 6 children and bronze was for 4 children





    German physicians had to take the Hippocratic Oath, which swore they would "do no harm" and not "give a pessary to a woman to cause abortion all in the name of helping downed German fighter pilots who were saved from the cold sea".



    It is also a myth that nαzι Germany was in favour of abortion. In fact, it was virtually impossible to get an abortion (or birth-control help) in nαzι Germany. Instead, women were encouraged to have very large families.




    Isle McKee, a member of the German Girls' League, recalled in her experiences in her autobiography.

    We were told from a very early age to prepare for motherhood, as the mother in the eyes of our beloved leader and the National Socialist Government was the most important person in the nation. We were Germany's hope in the future, and it was our duty to breed and rear the new generation of sons and daughter. These lessons soon bore fruit in the shape of quite a few illegitimate small sons and daughters for the Reich, brought forth by teenage members of the League of German Maidens. The girls felt they had done their duty and seemed remarkably unconcerned about the scandal.






    Martha Dodd, My Years in Germany (1939) wrote:

    Young girls from the age of ten onward were taken into organizations where they were taught only two things: to take care of their bodies so they could bear as many children as the state needed and to be loyal to National Socialism. Though the nαzιs have been forced to recognize, through the lack of men, that not all women can get married. Huge marriage loans are floated every year whereby the contracting parties can borrow substantial sums from the government to be repaid slowly or to be cancelled entirely upon the birth of enough children. Birth control information is frowned on and practically forbidden.

    Despite the fact that Hitler and the other nαzιs are always ranting about "Volk ohne Raum" (a people without space) they command their men and women to have more children.
    Women have been deprived for all rights except that of childbirth and hard labour. They are not permitted to participate in political life - in fact Hitler's plans eventually include the deprivation of the vote; they are refused opportunities of education and self-expression; careers and professions are closed to them.




    A common rhyme for German women then was:
    "Take hold of kettle, broom and pan,
    Then you’ll surely get a man!
    Shop and office leave alone, Your true life work lies at home."
     



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    « Reply #1 on: July 07, 2012, 12:41:41 AM »
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  • Hitler was a forerunner of Antichrist.  Like with Antichrist, some of the things he did may be more-or-less true.  But one heresy puts you outside the Church -- euthanasia would be just one of many heresies supported by Hitler.  

    Like Antichrist, he appeared at a time when many were poor, threw out manna to the masses, and then came up with his own religion and played God, a religion which is a true bewildering hodgepodge.  

    I would urge anyone who encounters these Hitler apologists to oppose them to the hilt, this is an epidemic and is CLEARLY the seed of the future Antichrist mentality.  When will people learn to listen to what St. Augustine said so long ago?  "Unless a man keeps this faith whole and entire, he shall indubitably be lost." You don't get to heaven being against abortion; and believing in Hitler's ideas would certainly take you to hell.

    Antichrist may tell much truth about many things, but what he will know how to do is slip in that one heresy that will eliminate you from the Book of Life; besides taking away the Mass, and removing the source of grace that would help people see through him. But even for that he will have reasons that are convincing to the blind, he will surely pose as a Grand Inquisitor liquidating a corrupt and weak clergy.

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    "“Only in the Roman Empire and in Spain under Arab domination has culture been a potent factor. Under the Arab, the standard attained was wholly admirable; to [Islamic] Spain flocked the greatest scientists, thinkers, astronomers, and mathematicians of the world, and side by side there flourished a spirit of sweet human tolerance and a sense of purest chivalry. Then with the advent of Christianity, came the barbarians. Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers—already you see the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jєωs, so gutless a thing Christianity!”—


    The schizoid fluctuations between saying semi-Christian things and then anti-Christian things is total Anti-Christ.  People think that Anti-Christ is going to come out there and say "Hail Satan!" it doesn't work like that.  As I try to remind people, it only takes one heresy to get your soul. The devil is not going to be obvious when he can spiritually destroy you subtly.  This way that Hitler acted, going from one baffling delusion to the next, embodying infinite contradictions, mark my words, is the spirit of Antichrist himself, though Antichrist will be a world dictator, not just of Germany, and his lies will be far more seductive, probably making a certain amount of sense to all but those in  a state of grace.

    I should point out that the quote above is not far at all from the ravings of a certain member of this forum.  I mean, it is startlingly close to these ravings.  Trads are gutless feminists, Muslims have all these admirable qualities...  Except that Hitler is speaking of their intellectual achievements, while this member is more impressed by their attitude to women.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 07, 2012, 12:45:37 AM »
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  • Raoul if anyone was closer to the Anti-Christ it was Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 07, 2012, 12:50:43 AM »
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  • Stalin and Lenin are certainly forerunners, so was Napoleon, even Alexander the Great in the sense that he dominated the entire world... And Nero, of course.  But Hitler is the most complete forerunner so far, and I believe the most complete there ever will be, because he was able to truly seduce people, not just terrify them through force.    
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 07, 2012, 12:54:56 AM »
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  • Yeah...Raoul if you really believe Hitler...whose victims as of 1939 was but a fraction of even General Pinochet was the most complete forerunner you need to go get your head examinded. That is the thought of a liberal. The fact remains that out of Fidel Castro, General Pinochet, Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, Ho, Pol Pot, etc. Hitler had the least amount of victims.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 07, 2012, 01:00:41 AM »
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  • Oh and by the way Hitler was also not out to "conquer the world" either.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 07, 2012, 01:02:19 AM »
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  • Raoul is right, all the tyants you name all used fear and brutality.  Hitler was able to (if I may borrow Raoul's expression) hyp mo tiz the masses.

    My conscience compels me to make this disclaimer lest God judges me partly culpable for the errors and heresy promoted on this forum... For the record I support neither Sedevacantism or the SSPX.  I do not define myself as either a traditionalist or Novus

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    « Reply #7 on: July 07, 2012, 01:05:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: rowsofvoices9
    Raoul is right, all the tyants you name all used fear and brutality.  Hitler was able to (if I may borrow Raoul's expression) hyp mo tiz the masses.



    I have to ask you...did you come over from the ADL...really?

    Forget the religious stuff and let's look at things logically here with reason. Hitler did not believe in exporting National Socialism. Hitler believed in getting back the lands of the old German Empire along with a Drang Noch Osten, a traditional German policy that had been around before Bismarck. It was Churchill's British Empire who had real domination of the world, along with the American Empire FDR would create during the war.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 07, 2012, 01:14:21 AM »
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  • Hitler was a puppet of the Jєωs.  Anyone who works against the Church does what the Jєωs want.  So you can use your smear tactics about my being liberal elsewhere.  Do you think I am that weak-minded that you are going to frighten me with that?  My credentials speaking about the Jєωs are well-established. I know that game all too well, my friend.  People try to associate Catholics with Hitler, and then call you a liberal when you see through them, and people go along with it because they want to look tough.  
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 07, 2012, 01:15:31 AM »
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  • Hitler also did not want war either. Hitler was planning to negotiate with Poland but Poland refused believing in the British and French war guarentee. Hitler had written off Alsace since that meant war with Great Britain, whose empire he admired and who he always sought as an ally. Why did Hitler beg Mussolini not to attack Greece? In 1939 Hitler did not even have a border with Russia so how could he invade Russia? How then could he get to Russia? Why did after France fell did Hitler not demand the French fleet as the Allies demanded and got the Kaisar's fleet? Why did he let the British go at Dunkirk? Why did he not demand bases in French-controlled Syria to attack Suez? Why did he try to negotiate with the British not once but twice?

    Because Hitler wanted the war to end in 1940.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 07, 2012, 01:16:55 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    Hitler was a puppet of the Jєωs.  Anyone who works against the Church does what the Jєωs want.  So you can use your smear tactics about my being liberal elsewhere.  Do you think I am that weak-minded that you are going to frighten me with that?  My credentials speaking about the Jєωs are well-established. I know that game all too well, my friend.  People try to associate Catholics with Hitler, and then call you a liberal when you see through them, and people go along with it because they want to look tough.  


    No you're a liberal for other reasons, and Hitler was hardly a puppet of the Jєωs. Just look at the anti-Semitism in Mein Kampf along with Jєωs in Hollywood and the press pressing for war on Hitler's Germany in 1940.


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    « Reply #11 on: July 07, 2012, 01:28:43 AM »
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  • What makes it all the more dangerous, is that we are in a situation that, worldwide, resembles that of Weimar Germany.  We are in the perfect situation for Antichrist to come and "save" us; and those who are talking up Hitler show that they haven't learned a thing from history.

    Some have convinced themselves that Antichrist is going to be like JPII and kowtowing to the Jєωs.  I try to present a scenario that I think is more likely; he will come to power while speaking against Jєωs, but then many will convert to him, accepting him as their Messiah.  

    So it's not that he will say they are the chosen ones.  They will say HE is the chosen one, he will "shame" them into accepting him as God, and their conversion will appear to be a conversion to Christianity, of a sort... Except that he is not Jesus but an impostor.  That is just one scenario; and I'm pretty sure it will happen that way, because it is far more tricky.

    Another parallel of Hitler and Antichrist, is that Hitler was an artist, and Antichrist will surely be an artist; this is what I believe is meant by "magician," he will use art, propaganda, pomp, just like Hitler.  But in addition I'm sure he will be in cahoots with people who can use HAARP-style technology to make it look as if he controls the weather and so on.

    Yet another parallel is his rise out of nowhere, which is so blatantly a moronic fairy-tale engineered by Jєωs and other occult secret societies that I can't believe anyone believes it just happened naturally.  If the Jєωs controlled all the banks in Germany, as I'm sure they did, if they had such influence over society there, how did Hitler ever get anywhere preaching against them?  Could it be because he was part of their long-range plan and they were backing him all along?  Hm...  Considering that without Hitler, they would never be occupy Israel now, and that he served as the perfect boogeyman for them, the answer is pretty clear.  How does this nobody end up in command of a huge army, that just appears out of nowhere, the nation rising out of the ashes in a radically short space of time?  It is so much like Antichrist!  

    I am sure it will be the same with Antichrist, he will appear to be "infiltrating" society and his rise will appear to be spontaneous, but it will be entirely in accord with the wishes of the power-mongers, who will groom him and work with him.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #12 on: July 07, 2012, 01:31:30 AM »
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  • Raoul is mumbling and ranting again I see with a supposed "scenario" not at all looking at historical facts. I do agree about one thing though: we are indeed like Weimar Germany with filth and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

    Have you forgotten Roaul that Hitler did not succeed because the Allies pretty much decimated his regime.

    World War II is why the West is in decline right now. It was the mortal blow for European peoples.

    And you're liberal because you don't believe that race is important.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 07, 2012, 01:38:07 AM »
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  • Traditional Guy 20 says:
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    No you're a liberal for other reasons, and Hitler was hardly a puppet of the Jєωs. Just look at the anti-Semitism in Mein Kampf along with Jєωs in Hollywood and the press pressing for war on Hitler's Germany in 1940.


    You appear to be unschooled in the ways of Machiavellian manipulation.  There are some Jєωs who I'm sure complain about Sarkozy in France, because he kicked gypsies out of the country; does that mean I should follow Sarkozy, who is a Jєω?  They play all sides, they create total confusion.  The way to see through it is not follow people who simply claim to be against Jєωs; but to follow people who are saints, or at least think with the Church.

    The Jєωs will accept or even engineer hatred against themselves, will take a hit and allow themselves to be persecuted, as long as it advances the long-range plans of their master, Satan, and that is exactly what Hitler did.  

    What is Satan's plan?  Destroy the Church.  Whoever is against the Church, is against God, Jєωs as well as nαzιs, they may seem to be opponents but they are ultimately on the same side as the henchmen of Satan.  I call it "Godzilla vs. Mothra," both sides are bad.  The devil uses this false conflict to ensnare people and make them choose a side, when both are evil.  He wants us to continually swing from one extreme to the other, always missing the point.  That is why you have to think with the Church, not with your emotions.  Being against Jєωs, in itself, is not the faith; knowing Jєωs are working for the destruction of the Church, however, is something to be aware of.

    But you seem to be too blinded by the subject of Jєωs to understand the much bigger picture, which is unfortunately very common.  I have been there myself.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #14 on: July 07, 2012, 01:39:28 AM »
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  • The Church has already been decimated by Vatican II. In fact the clergy is near extinction.