Author Topic: Catholicism and Antisemitism (Read 8767 times)

Jaynek · « **Reply #15 on:** June 27, 2011, 11:07:41 AM »

If you see Jews as a group that must be opposed that means you are an αnтι-ѕємιтє. When I say that I am anti-abortion it means that I am against abortion. When I say I am anti-pornography, it means I am against pornography. To be an αnтι-ѕємιтє means to be against Jews. If you see Jews as an evil to be opposed (as I see abortion and pornography) then you are an αnтι-ѕємιтє.

I am not talking about recognizing that Judaism is a false religion. Judaism rejects Christ and is a false religion. It is therefore evil as all false religions are. But believing that Jews as a race are an enemy to be opposed is anti-semitism. Even if what you believe about Jєωιѕн power were true, seeing Jews as an enemy to be resisted means you are anti-semitic.

LordPhan · « **Reply #16 on:** June 27, 2011, 11:22:49 AM »

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If you see Jews as a group that must be opposed that means you are an αnтι-ѕємιтє. When I say that I am anti-abortion it means that I am against abortion. When I say I am anti-pornography, it means I am against pornography. To be an αnтι-ѕємιтє means to be against Jews. If you see Jews as an evil to be opposed (as I see abortion and pornography) then you are an αnтι-ѕємιтє.

I am not talking about recognizing that Judaism is a false religion. Judaism rejects Christ and is a false religion. It is therefore evil as all false religions are. But believing that Jews as a race are an enemy to be opposed is anti-semitism. Even if what you believe about Jєωιѕн power were true, seeing Jews as an enemy to be resisted means you are anti-semitic.

Firstly Semite dosn't mean Jew. Semite means any race originating from the semitic river. It also refers to those who speak semitic dialects. Ancient Hebrews did not speak a semitic dialect, Philistines did. Arabs are the largest semitic race.

Most modern Jews are decended from Kazar converts and they are of turkic origin.

Modern 'Hebrew' has more in common with Pheonician then ancient Hebrew, Philistines were Pheonicians, so were Carthaginians if you know history.

The term αnтι-ѕємιтє was created by the Jews in the late 19th century.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #17 on:** June 27, 2011, 11:23:59 AM »

Jews are not the only semites and most modern Judaics are not, in fact, semitic.

To be an αnтι-ѕємιтє means to be against semites, or words do not mean anything.

I have studied this issue rather thoroughly and had this discussion 100 times before. I know what I am talking about.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #18 on:** June 27, 2011, 11:25:08 AM »

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If you see Jews as a group that must be opposed that means you are an αnтι-ѕємιтє. When I say that I am anti-abortion it means that I am against abortion. When I say I am anti-pornography, it means I am against pornography. To be an αnтι-ѕємιтє means to be against Jews. If you see Jews as an evil to be opposed (as I see abortion and pornography) then you are an αnтι-ѕємιтє.

Opposition to their collective action. If someone pretends they do not act collectively, and that these collective actions are not often harmful and in fact directly opposed to Catholicism, then there is a problem facing reality. (from what I've seen)

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I am not talking about recognizing that Judaism is a false religion. Judaism rejects Christ and is a false religion. It is therefore evil as all false religions are. But believing that Jews as a race are an enemy to be opposed is anti-semitism.

Well, they do to a large extent constitute a "race" in the sense that they have a common origin and genetic similarities. But they are not opposed because they are a race. If they become true Christians then there isn't a problem.

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Even if what you believe about Jєωιѕн power were true, seeing Jews as an enemy to be resisted means you are anti-semitic.

It all depends on how antisemitism is defined.

If I were to think the Jews are a biological pest like the nαzιs, that's a great deal different than thinking they have a certain character, organization, ideological tendency as a people.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #19 on:** June 27, 2011, 11:25:23 AM »

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Even if what you believe about Jєωιѕн power were true, seeing Jews as an enemy to be resisted means you are anti-semitic.

Judiac concentration of power is indisputable, Jayne. The end of your comment does not actually follow, no matter how much you think it does.

Pyrrhos · « **Reply #20 on:** June 27, 2011, 11:35:43 AM »

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„Antisemitism ... if antisemitism is bad ... it is against truth. If something is true, it is not bad. I am not interested in the word antisemitism. The word is very dangerous.“

Bishop Williamson, 21.01.2009

Jaynek · « **Reply #21 on:** June 27, 2011, 11:41:50 AM »

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Jews are not the only semites and most modern Judaics are not, in fact, semitic.

To be an αnтι-ѕємιтє means to be against semites, or words do not mean anything.

I have studied this issue rather thoroughly and had this discussion 100 times before. I know what I am talking about.

The etymology of a word is not necessarily it's lexical meaning. I majored in linguistics as an undergrad. I know what I am talking about. Words mean what they are used to mean. This may or may not be related to what the word's component morphemes mean. A grapefruit is not a kind of a grape. A donut is not a kind of a nut. An αnтι-ѕємιтє is not a person opposed to semites.

The word αnтι-ѕємιтє was coined to refer to Jews, not semites. It is irrelevant if Jews actually are semites. What the word means is opposition to Jews and it applies to you.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #22 on:** June 27, 2011, 11:45:05 AM »

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The word αnтι-ѕємιтє was coined to refer to Jews, not semites. It is irrelevant if Jews actually are semites. What the word means is opposition to Jews and it applies to you.

As Catholics we're interested in the meaning that Pope Pius XI gives to it.

Since Catholic Tradition would be called "antisemitic" as it was in opposition to "the Jews" (as Christ deniers, and in other respects that come from that), it couldn't be the meaning he was intending.

St. Pius V expelled the Jews from the Papal states. Was that antisemitism?

Is war with Germany anti-Germanism?

Jaynek · « **Reply #23 on:** June 27, 2011, 11:45:28 AM »

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Well, they do to a large extent constitute a "race" in the sense that they have a common origin and genetic similarities. But they are not opposed because they are a race. If they become true Christians then there isn't a problem.

If I had all this power when I was a Jew, where did it go when I became a Catholic?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #24 on:** June 27, 2011, 11:49:17 AM »

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If I had all this power when I was a Jew, where did it go when I became a Catholic?

I have no idea what "power" you had as a Jew, but you were certainly a member of the group. Being no longer part of the group you cannot function as part of it. Like a soldier in an army, once he deserts, he no longer is part of the FORCE he once belonged to.

However, you have a characteristic Jєωιѕн love of discussion and debate, and you take it to cathinfo. Which is a fine thing.

. I'm sure you influence people on the sites you post on.

Jaynek · « **Reply #25 on:** June 27, 2011, 11:51:43 AM »

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As Catholics we're interested in the meaning that Pope Pius XI gives to it.

What meaning is that? Do you have a quote from him?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #26 on:** June 27, 2011, 11:54:04 AM »

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As Catholics we're interested in the meaning that Pope Pius XI gives to it.

What meaning is that? Do you have a quote from him?

What is he talking about in Mit Brennander Sorge?

It cannot be a condemnation of previous Christian attitudes towards Jews which are today called antisemitic.

Jaynek · « **Reply #27 on:** June 27, 2011, 11:59:26 AM »

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If I had all this power when I was a Jew, where did it go when I became a Catholic?

I have no idea what "power" you had as a Jew, but you were certainly a member of the group. Being no longer part of the group you cannot function as part of it. Like a soldier in an army, once he deserts, he no longer is part of the FORCE he once belonged to.

When I was Jєωιѕн and since then, I have never personally seen any evidence of an organized force of Jews. I never took orders from anyone and never saw any reason to think any of my relatives were part of a functioning group. I have only seen an ethnic identity.

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However, you have a characteristic Jєωιѕн love of discussion and debate, and you take it to cathinfo. Which is a fine thing. .

What is everybody else's excuse for being here?

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #28 on:** June 27, 2011, 01:20:09 PM »

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If I had all this power when I was a Jew, where did it go when I became a Catholic?

Jayne,

I have read enough of your posts here and elsewhere to know you are both intelligent and good-willed. However, on this issue there seems to be some sort of disconnect. No one is saying that the rank and file Judaics are powerful -- in fact, many are the most oppressed, brainwashed people on earth, as they are endlessly processed by rabbinical insanities. To be fair, some or all of us may be doing a poor job expressing ourselves, but it is also possible that you are misunderstanding what we are saying. I have confidence that all will be well, provided all proceed with good will. Godspeed, dear.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #29 on:** June 27, 2011, 01:24:30 PM »

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When I was Jєωιѕн and since then, I have never personally seen any evidence of an organized force of Jews. I never took orders from anyone...

No one is saying all Jews gets memos about these things. As for an organized force, your lack of awareness does not mean it does not exist.

Do you grasp that the Money Masters are working together to enslave us all via debt servitude? Do you understand that this is but a means to an end? Do you know or even suspect what the end is? This a very big kettle of very smelly fish. Perhaps we could try to take it bit by bit.