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Offline flatearthtrads

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Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
« on: July 25, 2017, 12:01:29 PM »
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  • Just to announce that we have just published an introductory video to the flat earth.

    Flat Earth Trads are a group of resistance flat earthers.

    We hope you enjoy this video and that it answers your questions.

    Please forward to anyone interested and make comments.




    Here is the video:



    Offline kiwiboy

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #1 on: July 26, 2017, 05:27:57 AM »
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  • good all round introduction.

    Does that user Neil Obstat work for NASA?
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017


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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #2 on: July 26, 2017, 09:38:50 AM »
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  • Matthew, 
    Please put this topic in a sub-forum.  You are associating Traditional Catholicism with this non-sense by allowing these people to continually post this material.
    Omnes pro Christo

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #3 on: July 26, 2017, 11:21:27 AM »
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  • I understand that the information in the video is not going to be everyone's cup of tea, and that some will disagree with its assertions. However, perhaps those who disagree can say why they disagree. The video is trying to show why a flat earth is a logical viewpoint, and from not only a scientific basis, but a traditional Catholic basis as well. 

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #4 on: July 26, 2017, 07:04:50 PM »
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  • Omnes pro Christo


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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #5 on: July 26, 2017, 11:49:37 PM »
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  • JohnAnthonyMarie is getting worried.
    What are you afraid of? Facing the truth?

    as for the images below, we don't deny that items merge with the horizon, but that is all it is. This still doesn't explain why we see objects we shouldn't see.


    The globe trolls are out in full...

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #6 on: July 27, 2017, 01:30:41 AM »
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  • .
    I saw this on the ad banner, above. so I did it.


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    Simple:  x is 49.
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    This is much too difficult for flat-earthers.
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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #7 on: July 27, 2017, 01:42:48 AM »
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  •  :jester:     :cheers:
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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #8 on: July 27, 2017, 05:28:04 AM »
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  • Tell me Neil (JohnAnthonyMarie),
    Do you use that forumla much at NASA?

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #9 on: July 27, 2017, 12:43:37 PM »
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  • How dare you flaty-earthers depict your obsession of a flat Earth as a Catholic doctrine, depicting the death of Jesus on the Cross as if it had anything to do with a flat-earth.

    With regard to your video, well who are you trying to kid, to be Catholic you must be a flat-earther. By all means believe in what you like, but do not use the Church to support your beliefs..

    You begin your proofs with the assumption that the global earth is a perfect ball shaped globe (2m.30-50s). You then give us a six-mile 'experiment, scientific proof, across water that shows no curvature. This of course is the science of goedesy, a science rejected in previous posts on flast-earthism yet here they are using goedesy to claim no curvature.. in fact this science, to determine the shape of the earth has been going on for 300years.

    In 1672 King Louis XIV of France approved Domenico Cassini’s last great expedition. With the aid of his son Jacques Cassini and others, he measured the arc of meridian from Paris north to Dunkirk and south to the boundary of Spain, and, in addition, he conducted various associated geodesic and astronomical operations that were reported to the Academy. The Cassinis knew that it would be virtually impossible to measure every kilometre of meridian from Pole to Pole at the time. At best, a partial measurement would confirm a probable shape of the earth. Consequently they decided to measure where it was most convenient, restricting their efforts to Europe in the northern hemisphere.

    The results showed the length of a meridian degree north of Paris was 111,017 meters or 265 metres shorter than one south of Paris (111,282 meters). This suggested that if this trend occurred in the southern hemisphere, the earth has to be a prolate spheroid, not flattened at the poles as Newton proposed, but the opposite, slightly pointed, with the equatorial axis shorter than the polar axis, that is, kind of egg-shaped. In 1720, the Cassinis published their findings.

    In 1909 the geophysicist Hayford is said to have presented the world with ‘the most accurate’ measurements, since adopted internationally for use in all data concerning the form of the earth.’ He gave an oblateness of 1/297 based on figures of an equatorial radius of 6,378,388 metres (3,963 miles) and a polar radius of 6,356,912 metres (3,950 miles), giving an oblateness of 21,474 metres (13.42 miles).

    You see then that the curve can only be determined over long distances, not six miles as your video says.

    Next you try to tell us that the image of the earth held in the hands of the Infant of prague and the earth depicted under Our Lady's medal is a flat earth image. Who the hell are you trying to kid? It is a globe, not a circle, representing what the whole world understood as the earth at the time and since. A globe consists of many circles from poles to equator. A globe then is as much a circule as a flat earth, so stop using 'circle' as meaning only a flat-earth. 

    Next it goes on to show how the sun can give day and night and seasons over a flat earth (8m 17s). The distance of the sun as determined by astronomers has to be ignored and a new unverifiable low hanging sun inserted that doesn't shine over the whole flat-earth, but only enough to have a flat-earth day and night. It also has the sun moving FASTER and SLOWER. Cassini has measured the size and speed of the sun throughout the year and it does not go fast and slow as the flat earth theory seems to need..

    Immediately (8.25) the video admits there 'are other interpretations of this.' Yeh, there are. 

    Next comes the BIG LIE, that all space photos are fixed to show a global earth. The greatest lie in history. Again, their flat-earth depends on the LIE being TRUE. It then uses the reputation of Freemasonry, which we know brought about the heliocentric lie, and used their reputation to support the flat earth. All speculation, no evidence as there is regarding the heliocentric fraud. Not once in all Freemasonic literature have I found MENTION of a flat-earth, an oblate spheroid yes to accommodate Newton's evolution and recession theories, but never flat earth.

    (12.50) it begins to use the helio-fraud to confirm a global-earth fraud. It uses the condemnation of Galileo's helio heresy by adding on a global earth heresy. Will you stop this nonsense, global earth was fully accepted by the Church and had nothing to do with the Galilean heresy.

    (14.29) talks about 'science' showing a flat earth. You mean the science of denying geodesy, denying the calculation of distances of the sun, moon and planets from earth, denying the thousands of photos of a curved earth etc. The science of denial rather which is no science at all.

    St Augustine is then elivated as a flat earther. What any individual Father has to say is not Church teaching. Only if ALL say the same thing is it Catholic and true. So stop using this ploy as necessary Catholic teaching.

    'Sacred Scripture makes references to the circle of the earth.' But this circle is always flat and never global. That is their DOGMA and they want to make it Catholic dogma. This is not Catholic but Protestant.


    (15;130 GRAVITY. A theory she says, but what she probably means that the CAUSE of gravity is a mystery.

    'What causes objects to fall is simple density,' the video tells us, contradicting her rejection of Newtonian cause for gravity, i.e., density. Newton's theory says it is density that determines the pull between celestial bodies, the same density now used in the video (16m.11s)to explain how things probably fall down. Elsewhere gravity has been rejected by Flat-earthers as the reason why for man on earth the sky is always above and the earth underneath no matter where on our global earth we are. Gravity could be a pushing effect. By 1781, the physicist George Louis Le Sage (1724-1803) had completed an alternative thesis to the very same advanced level as Newton’s - a pushing force theory for moving celestial bodies. Then there was René Descartes’s ‘vortex theory.’ The supposed formulator of analytic geometry explained that planetary motion is the result of vortices or whirlpools sweeping the planets around the sun, not unlike Einstein’s curled space whirlpool theory to come. 

    One problem never accounted for is that if I drop a steel ball and a rubber ball, the 'densities' of which are different, then how come in the 'density' theory used in this video and by Newton, the steel ball and the rubber ball will fall at the same rate?

    For great is the power of God alone, and he is honoured by the humble. Seek not the things that are too high for thee, and search not into things above thy ability: but the things that God hath commanded thee, think on them always, and in many of his works be not curious. For it is not necessary for thee to see with thy eyes those things that are hid. In unnecessary matters be not over curious, and in many of his works thou shalt not be inquisitive. For many things are shewn to thee above the understanding of men. And the suspicion of them hath deceived man, and hath detained their minds in vanity.” (Ecclus 3:21-26).

    The video ends with the suggestion that there are Catholics trying to prevent their dogmatic flat earth being accepted as Catholic teaching, supported by Scripture and the Fathers. For me a Catholic, it is an insult to ask Catholics to believe something based on a contradiction of true science (geodesy and astronomy), a contradiction of common sense (that the sun is just up there a bit), and that all space flight is a never ending con, including the rockets we witness flying off into the sky, and finally denying satellites that we can actually see crossing the sky.

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #10 on: July 27, 2017, 01:03:12 PM »
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  • Matthew,
    Please put this topic in a sub-forum.  You are associating Traditional Catholicism with this non-sense by allowing these people to continually post this material.
    I am tempted to agree.  I mentioned the thread(s) in conversation and the other party told me that if the forum I belonged to allows this to continue, then it (CI) has lost credibility as far as they are concerned. Just sayin...


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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #11 on: July 27, 2017, 01:18:43 PM »
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  • St Augustine is then elivated as a flat earther. What any individual Father has to say is not Church teaching. Only if ALL say the same thing is it Catholic and true. So stop using this ploy as necessary Catholic teaching.



    Is the work of Domenico Cassini Church teaching? You seem to imply that it is. 

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #12 on: July 27, 2017, 01:20:48 PM »
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  • I am tempted to agree.  I mentioned the thread(s) in conversation and the other party told me that if the forum I belonged to allows this to continue, then it (CI) has lost credibility as far as they are concerned. Just sayin...

    I'm sorry that you are offended by the subject. Did you view the video?

    If Matthew wants to move this to a subforum, that's fine with me, but I then I didn't start the thread. 

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #13 on: July 27, 2017, 02:02:32 PM »
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  • I'd have to take the subject more seriously to be actually offended. Traditonal Catholics, and especially the resistance have enough bad press without being pegged as flat-Earthers  too. What's next?  Arguing for the  evangelization of Bigfoot or the revival of trepanning?

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #14 on: July 27, 2017, 04:48:32 PM »
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  • I can also add that the opinion of JohnAnthonyMarie is not worth much considering how abusive he is to the female users of the forum.
    WHAT?
    You are way out of line with this outrageous lie! 
    This type of behavior can't possible be allowed.
    Omnes pro Christo

     

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