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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: +Sanborn on FE, Helocentrism, and Trump
« Reply #45 on: December 14, 2025, 09:16:31 PM »
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  • If you know of any clergy, who are trained in a renowned seminary that was never infested with Modernism nor gave into the Vatican II revolution - please speak up and I will happily reconsider.

    Bishop Guerard des Lauriers is the only one I know of.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    « Reply #46 on: December 14, 2025, 09:27:23 PM »
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  • Even if SVs and R&R disagree on WHO among the trad clergy is VALID, by the force of the logic that you so highly value...

    you MUST admit that NONE of the groups have clergy trained in ANY institutes that could confer the degrees, which would make them to be considered experts in any field of Catholic learning.

    When I was at SSPX seminary, we had an elderly priest visit who complaint about the same thing, that these modern Traditional clergy fancy themselves theologians, but the amount of training they received was before Vatican II considered just sufficient to be appointed an assistant pastor somewhere, and then after some years of experience and showing your worth, you might be appointed pastor.  He said that in order to be taken serious as an expert in anything, whether theology or philosophy or Canon Law, you had to go to Rome and receive advanced degrees.  It regularly happened at SSPX that a newly-ordained priest was immediately assigned to be a seminary professor, even in dogmatic theology ... no advanced degree, and not even typically having to work your way up by, say, teaching philosophy first.

    Now, to some extent that's understandable, since there aren't exactly reliable advanced institutions like that around anymore.  Even if they hadn't been infested with Modernism, they're also just garbage by now, not worth the paper they're written on.  But then they have to just admit that and not overstate their case, like referring to certain Trad priests as "theologian" or "Canon lawyer".


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    Re: +Sanborn on FE, Helocentrism, and Trump
    « Reply #47 on: December 14, 2025, 09:45:06 PM »
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  • Bishop Guerard des Lauriers is the only one I know of.
    I meant "living".

    But, yes he was a seemingly brilliant and holy man.

    Though I do NOT hold the Cassiciacuм Thesis.

    Offline Giovanni Berto

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    Re: +Sanborn on FE, Helocentrism, and Trump
    « Reply #48 on: December 14, 2025, 09:53:50 PM »
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  • I meant "living".

    But, yes he was a seemingly brilliant and holy man.

    Though I do NOT hold the Cassiciacuм Thesis.

    Whathever seminary the attended, it has been infested with Modernist after Vatican II, even if it was orthodox when he studied there.

    And yes, he was the most qualified Traditionalist clergy ever, and no one will ever surpass him, since the official institutions are now worthless. 

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    Re: +Sanborn on FE, Helocentrism, and Trump
    « Reply #49 on: Yesterday at 02:22:41 AM »
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  • In case some of you forgot or never learned in the first place, Bishop Sanborn is not the pope speaking from the Chair of Peter. In most of the questions, he gives his best opinions. You are entitled to your best judgment when it comes to the questions, you are free to believe otherwise.  


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    Re: +Sanborn on FE, Helocentrism, and Trump
    « Reply #50 on: Yesterday at 05:43:24 AM »
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  • When I was at SSPX seminary, we had an elderly priest visit who complaint about the same thing, that these modern Traditional clergy fancy themselves theologians, but the amount of training they received was before Vatican II considered just sufficient to be appointed an assistant pastor somewhere, and then after some years of experience and showing your worth, you might be appointed pastor.  He said that in order to be taken serious as an expert in anything, whether theology or philosophy or Canon Law, you had to go to Rome and receive advanced degrees.  It regularly happened at SSPX that a newly-ordained priest was immediately assigned to be a seminary professor, even in dogmatic theology ... no advanced degree, and not even typically having to work your way up by, say, teaching philosophy first.

    Now, to some extent that's understandable, since there aren't exactly reliable advanced institutions like that around anymore.  Even if they hadn't been infested with Modernism, they're also just garbage by now, not worth the paper they're written on.  But then they have to just admit that and not overstate their case, like referring to certain Trad priests as "theologian" or "Canon lawyer".

    I recall reading St. Robert Bellarmine taught, and admitted he was just pages ahead of his students.

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    Re: +Sanborn on FE, Helocentrism, and Trump
    « Reply #51 on: Yesterday at 06:52:12 AM »
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  • Every answer, every solution to any problem has already been solved.   Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior became man and redeemed us.  The day to day operations of man continue.  The pain of death continues.  The pain of laziness in temporal and spiritual work continues.  Be gracious to your neighbor as God is gracious to you.  There problem solved.