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Cardinal OConnor Jєωιѕн?
« on: October 10, 2014, 09:46:49 PM »
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    Stumbled upon it and thought it may prove interesting reading. Links to a blog with archival photos.

    Cardinal O'Connor Jєωιѕн?

    Cardinal O'Connor Jєωιѕн?

    Recently the sister of Cardinal O'Connor discovered that their mother Dorothy was Jєωιѕн. Dorothy who was born as Deborah Gumple or D'vora Gumpel was the daughter of an Orthodox Jєωιѕн Rabbi and Shokhet (Kosher butcher). She left her family and became a Catholic in 1908 when she was 19 and she married the Catholic Thomas O'Connor in 1909. She never spoke of her Jєωιѕн background to her children, they had assumed she had been of Lutheran heritage. The New York times has a great article about it here. The Jєωιѕн Week also gives an account.

    Eduard Gumpel the grandfather of Rabbi Gustav Gumpel

    The Cardinal's grandfather Rabbi Gustav Gumpel (b.1840 or 42) is a descendant of Rabbi Ephraim Gumpel of Hamburg (son of Rabbi David ben Nathan Granhut of Frankfurt) of the early 18th century whose original surname was Granhut. Rabbi Gustav Gumpel is a descendant of Rabbi Ephraim Gumpel's son Nathan of Moravia. Gustav is usually used for the Hebrew name Gidon or Gideon. Rabbi Gustav Gumpel was named for his uncle Gustav Gumpel who was born in Berlin, Prussia in 1825. It seems that Rabbi Gustav's family came from a fairly assimilated prosperous Jєωιѕн branch of the Gumpel family but Rabbi Gustav's father broke with this background and married into the more devoutly orthodox (frum) branch of the family in Lubeck. They became great supporters of Rabbi Jacob Ettingler in advocating orthodox Judaism against Reform Judaism.

    Gustav Gumpel of Berlin (b.1825) uncle of Rabbi Gustav Gumpel

    Gustav of Berlin was the son of Eduard (Efraim) Gumpel who was born in Hildesheim in 1794 and died in Hamburg in 1839. Eduard was the son of Lazarus Gumpel (1770-1843) of Hildesheim.  Eduard also had a brother Jacob Gumpel (b.1791) who was a Rabbi in Lubeck. Lazarus was the son of Rabbi Efraim Gumpel whose father was Rabbi Lazar Gumpel was a son of Rabbi Nathan Gumpel of Moravia. Rabbi Nathan was the son of Rabbi Ephraim Gumpel (Granhut) and his wife Gitel Fulda a sister of Rabbi Isaac Fulda of Hamburg.

    Lazarus Gumpel (1770-1843) of Hamburg an ancestor of Cardinal O'Connor

    Many Irish O'Connor's were of Frankist Jєωιѕн ancestry (originally called Kinnor and Konarski) who came to Ireland after 1760 and settled in Cork. Cardinal O'Connor's father belonged to these Frankist O'Connors. His father was Thomas O'Connor a goldleafer who was born in Philadelphia in 1883.

    Thomas O'Connor's parents were John Francis O'Connor (b.1846) and Mary Marony (Maroney/ Maroni) of Cork Ireland. The father of Mary was Bart (Bartholomew) Marony (baptised 1834) of Tipperary son of Martin Maroney and Mary Hannon (Hannan/ Chanani/ Gracian) of Sephardi Jєωιѕн ancestry. His mother was Ellen Buckley whose surname was originally Buchel or Buchalski.

    The Maroni family were of Italian Jєωιѕн ancestry. John Francis O'Connor was the son of John O'Connor (of the Frankist family of O'Connors) and his wife Cathleen Herlihy (Herlitz) of Boherbue, Cork. This John was a grandson of David Kinnor (Konarski) who took the name David Connor in Ireland after 1760. This John was a brother of Bishop Michael O'Connor (b.1829) of  Ballarat in Victoria Australia.

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    Cardinal OConnor Jєωιѕн?
    « Reply #1 on: October 10, 2014, 10:59:34 PM »
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    Cardinal OConnor Jєωιѕн?
    « Reply #2 on: October 11, 2014, 08:11:16 AM »
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    Please recall that prefacing an immense pile of journalistic guesses, surmises, assumptions, and suppositions with AMDG does not somehow transform a laughable tissue of tendentiousness into granite-hard proof. And what is it supposed to be proof of, precisely? That Cardinal O'Connor was a true believer in the authority of the council and a stalwart member of Newchurch? This is the theological equivalent of announcing the discovery of the wheel.

    Back here in the real world, Cardinal O'Connor was the last prelate in the huge NY archdiocese who responded with sympathy toward Tradition and Traditionalists—I know of at least half a dozen priests who would be glad to confirm that—at a time when Pope Woytyla and his sidekick, then-Cardinal Joe Ratz, were temporizing, equivocating, prevaricating, and flat-out lying through their teeth to Archbishop Lefebvre about such trivial matters as the place of actual Catholicism within Newchurch and whether he would be allowed to consecrate a bishop and, if so, when.

    It is very much in the interest of the New York Times, as rock-ribbed Jєωιѕн a rag as ever existed, to suggest to the odd Christian who is still damn fool enough to read it that O'Connor's "authenticity" was not what it seemed. Why? Because (1) doing so can work to the advantage of the Laughing Cow, Cardinal Cheesehead Dolan, who at present is neck-and-neck with Humble Frank in the Apostasy Steeplechase; (2) it can be used to further confuse the muddle-headed many among the Novus Ordo-ites who have been indoctrinated to believe that anti-Semitism both exists and is a Really Big Problem; and (3) it can serve to further dishearten real Catholics, NO "Catholics," and the ever-decreasing numbers of Prots who believe in such things as God and natural law that the cardinal who swore he'd shut down the Saint Patrick's Day parade before any avowed fαɢɢօts were permitted to march in it wasn't the pillar of rectitude he at least occasionally seemed to be.

    I could go on, but why bother? The critical thing for you to take on board is that when it comes to the Times and the other organs of Establishment opinion, the old adage that the enemy of my enemy is my friend is a demonic lie.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 11, 2014, 09:06:44 AM »
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    Cardinal OConnor Jєωιѕн?
    « Reply #4 on: October 11, 2014, 01:34:11 PM »
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    Who cares.
    Who cares about his blood, yes, but if his thinking is Masonic, his thinking would also align with modern, тαℓмυdic Judaism.
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