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Re: Cardinal Newman was not a Modernist
« Reply #65 on: May 12, 2023, 12:39:09 PM »
Who cares if modernists or anti-modernists like or dislike Newman. Jєωs are comfortable with him.

So was Pope St. Pius X.

Was he a judaizer too?

Re: Cardinal Newman was not a Modernist
« Reply #66 on: May 12, 2023, 12:56:03 PM »
For any more serious researchers who prefer not to take the guided tour by one side or the other, here’s Ch. 5 of Newman’s Essay on Doctrinal Development (distinguishing them from doctrinal corruptions):

https://www.newmanreader.org/works/development/chapter5.html

See what you think.

The opening paragraph sets the tone and shows his purpose:

{169} I HAVE been engaged in drawing out the positive and direct argument in proof of the intimate connexion, or rather oneness, with primitive Apostolic teaching, of the body of doctrine known at this day by the name of Catholic, and professed substantially both by Eastern and Western Christendom. That faith is undeniably the historical continuation of the religious system, which bore the name of Catholic in the eighteenth century, in the seventeenth, in the sixteenth, and so back in every preceding century, till we arrive at the first;—undeniably the successor, the representative, the heir of the religion of Cyprian, Basil, Ambrose and Augustine. The only question that can be raised is whether the said Catholic faith, as now held, is logically, as well as historically, the representative of the ancient faith. This then is the subject, to which I have as yet addressed myself, and I have maintained that modern Catholicism is nothing else but simply the legitimate growth and complement, that is, the natural and necessary development, of the doctrine of the early church, and that its divine authority is included in the divinity of Christianity.“


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Re: Cardinal Newman was not a Modernist
« Reply #67 on: May 12, 2023, 01:01:57 PM »
So was Pope St. Pius X.

Was he a judaizer too?
Most everyone is judaized to some degree. I am. If I did a little digging it wouldn't surprise me if any Catholic in the past, including saints, allowed themselves to be somewhat sullied by associating with jews. I read somewhere, and I doubt my memory is failing me here, that St. Pius X had "Jєωιѕн friends." One of them paid for a trip as he lacked funds.

I've long though the Syllabus of Errors was a rear-guard action. I don't have anything critical to say about the docuмent (or St. Pius X) other than that it "beats around the bush." It's like how people love to go on and on about feminism, communism, capitalism, blacks, whites, blah blah blah.

Why not just "call out jews"? And be done with it. As many saints have said all heresies have their taproot in тαℓмυdists. I guess the Church no longer has legions at Her disposal and so has to use rear-guard tactics instead of blunt tactics. Just call a spade a spade. I think if the Church leaders just called a spade a spade the popularity of the Church would go through the roof.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Cardinal Newman was not a Modernist
« Reply #68 on: May 12, 2023, 01:59:38 PM »
Most everyone is judaized to some degree. I am.

Bishop Williamson used to say that of Modernism, that we're all infected, even if very subtly (where he meant himself included).

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Re: Cardinal Newman was not a Modernist
« Reply #69 on: May 12, 2023, 02:52:47 PM »
And Brownson took to task Mr. Francis Newman, the younger brother of Card. Newman, who was also a convert.  I give the link to the whole article after the quote:

"Clearly, then, Mr. Francis Newman's doctrine, which is not only rationalism, but mere psychological rationalism, cannot be even entertained, and would deserve no respectful consideration as a system, even if it were conceded that we have received no revelation of a supernatural order ; for without revelation and tradition, by reason alone, man is utterly unable to construct even a complete and self-coherent system of rationalism, and for the best of all reasons, because he does not exist in a purely rational order. Our preliminary difficulties in the way of Mr. Francis Newman's theory are of themselves conclusive against it. We have no occasion to go beyond his title-page. That asserts his principle and method. His principle being false, and his method vicious, his theory, though it may contain by a happy inconsistency some slight traces of rational truth, must be, as a theory, utterly worthless, and, as far as it goes, mischievous. It is entirely unnecessary for us to take it up and examine it in detail. It is clearly antichristian and repugnant to sound reason, and having refuted it in principle, we may dismiss it as unworthy of any further consideration; for a man who starts wrong, and travels in a wrong direction, is pretty sure never to reach the goal." ("Newman on the True Basis of Theology," Brownson's Review, 1851)

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