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Offline Trinity

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Can we talk?
« on: October 27, 2006, 06:23:30 PM »
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  • For those who couldn't read all of Chant's post on the power of Israel in America, I am reproducing a very important part of it here. This statement of the criminality of the righteous victims is accurate, whether that person is a holocaust survivor or a Big Mike. Or a Bush regime gone mad. The problem is, my dear friends, that these people are threatening the very existence of the world. Petras' summary of possible consequences of a war on Iran leaves me wondering if these nuts aren't perfectly capable of blowing up the planet. We KNOW they are capable of turning us all into corpses and slaves, destroying our country and livelihoods.

    If Iraq has proven nothing else, it has proven that they aren't capable of containing the havoc they unleash. And that they have the hubris to unleash it anyway. I really think this is the crux of the problem we face today. Can we talk?

    Referring to the crime of aggression, the Nuremberg Tribunal called it the "supreme international crime," and those Nazis found guilty of it were hanged.
    Petras explains that the "worst crimes are committed by those who claim to be a divinely chosen people, a people with 'righteous' claims of supreme victimhood."

    He goes on to say: "Righteous victimology, linked to ethno-religious loyalties and directed by fanatical civilian militarists with advanced weaponry, is the greatest threat to world peace and humanity."

    Petras makes an impassioned plea for progressives (really all people of conscience) to reject the imperial agenda of all nations, and in the case of Israel, to stand firm against inevitably being labeled anti-Semitic. Scurrilous name-calling is another refuge of scoundrels that shouldn't be tolerated or allowed to deter our committed assault against the forces of darkness that will destroy us unless we stand firmly against them. Petras tells us it won't be easy, and we can expect forceful ideological attacks against us premised on the notion that Israel is the embodiment of "democracy, liberty and justice" and those daring to criticize the Jewish state will be called supporters of "Arab dictatorships, repression, injustice and terrorism."

    The stakes are much too high to let them get away with it using scurrilous name-calling in defense of it. In Petras' words: "Israel and its overseas network in the US....(threatens) not only the oppressed people of Palestine (and Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria and any other state Israel takes aim at) but the rights of people throughout the world." He stresses we have mass public opinion on our side nearly everywhere outside the US, and it's gaining resonance here as well.

    It sees Israel and our actions in support of the Jewish state as the greatest of all threats to world peace and stability.
    Petras ends his book with one final impassioned call to arms: "Let's move ahead and de-colonize our country, our minds and politics as a first step in reconstituting a democratic republic, free of entangling colonial and neo-imperial alliances."

    Wise thoughts from a wise and courageous man.
    We can't ignore them lest we pay the supreme price of the loss of our freedom (and maybe our lives) because we didn't know it was being taken from us until it was too late to act to save it.
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    Please pray for the repose of her soul.

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    « Reply #1 on: October 27, 2006, 06:52:57 PM »
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  • You know Trinity this is a very 'complicated' subject.

    And it is made worse when you realize everything you were taught was & is based on bald face lies as far as history goes.


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    « Reply #2 on: October 27, 2006, 07:34:58 PM »
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    I think it is awfully funny that the rest of the world can see what is happening here and Americans can't.  Are we that irresponsible?


    I think it is our turn to be 'USED' by the NWO (satan's kindred). First it was the Russians,next it was the Germans. What befell them will probably befall us.

    But the NWO will not face the TRUTH & that is JESUS CHRIST WILL WIN!!!

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    « Reply #3 on: October 28, 2006, 12:49:05 PM »
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    If Iraq has proven nothing else, it has proven that they aren't capable of containing the havoc they unleash. And that they have the hubris to unleash it anyway. I really think this is the crux of the problem we face today. Can we talk?


    They are capable, but they won't use the capabilities they have, because the whole world is watching.

    There's many ways to bring a people to their knees, but with the world watching, they won't do it.  They'll do it once they have a large enough military and an "excuse", such as a HUGE false flag terror attack, but its still too early to make any definite assumptions.
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    « Reply #4 on: October 28, 2006, 01:21:10 PM »
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    I would have to look it up, but I'm under the impression that they will do what they want, world opinion against or not. According to Petras the world is already strongly against America and Israel. Starving the Palestinians and legalizing torture has to be scandalous to the world.


    They will do in the future, but they have not in the past, is what I'm saying.

    Well, they haven't done on a level noticeable to the world.
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    « Reply #5 on: October 28, 2006, 01:36:11 PM »
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    But that's what I'm saying, Campy. The world is already ticked with us for these things. They see what we are up to. I can't believe Americans can be so blind. Petras said the world in general and a growing faction of Americans are upset about what the Bush regime and Israel are doing. They entered the Iraq war in the face of world opposition, too, you know.

    By capable of doing these things, I mean they don't have enough sense not to do them. Iraq is known to be a failure and they keep on. They are on a suicide run and won't quit.


    I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say.  It seems like a failure now, but when they find the "excuse" to use more brutal tactics to bring the Iraqis to their knees, the insurgency won't be a problem.

    But the insurgency will be stopped only because Bush is starting to turn the US into a dictatorship more or less strict than Saddam's.

    They will destroy the insurgency, even if it means they'll destroy the Iraqis along with it.  But they won't resort to such brutal tactics yet.

    And they won't until an "excuse" (false flag attack) is given.
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    « Reply #6 on: October 28, 2006, 03:43:18 PM »
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    OK, I understand that. But I am under the impression that they are undermanned in Iraq and (perhaps) can't accomplish what they want to. You think they haven't accomplished it because of public opinion. I think we need more info on this to determine just what is holding them back.


    Undermanned?  Oh, yeah, definitely.  They'll be even more so when we invade Iran and Syria comes to help them out.

    And you can imagine how the Iraqis that haven't taken up arms are going to do to US troops.

    God help those soldiers.  Pray for them!
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    « Reply #7 on: October 29, 2006, 12:41:17 PM »
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    I do pray for them. Two of them are my sons. And this is why I say that the Bush regime doesn't have enough sense NOT to jump into these situations. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Big deal for them, though. We are the ones who are going to be burying our children, losing our country, put in death camps, etc. They are playing fast and loose with millions of lives here and it means nothing to them.


    I doubt the regime cares for them.  As long as the dead get replaced.

    These are very sadistic people trying to set up the NWO.
    Catholic warriors:
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