Author Topic: BXVIs Ecuмenism and "Significant Silence" (Read 4299 times)

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #60 on:** April 01, 2011, 11:31:27 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Ignorance is the lack of a due good...knowledge. It is no more positive than blindness...which is also a lack of a due good...sight.

Ignorance can NEVER do anything for anyone, although it MAY, in some cases, prevent a man from being guilty of a crime he did not KNOW was a crime.

How is this relevant?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #61 on:** April 02, 2011, 01:09:14 PM »

I think every Catholic should be able to agree that today's Jews wait in vain for their Messiah.

If you try to twist the Pope's statement to mean that "they are waiting for Christ but don't know it" - then they are still waiting in vain - because they're not going to be rewarded for rejecting Christ.

Caraffa · « **Reply #62 on:** April 04, 2011, 07:17:48 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Caraffa,

You are the master of finding these gems.

Can you give me a cite or link to that?

Thanks!

I may not have a link, but I have the original Latin. Hugh (or Huguccio) is commenting on Gratian's Decretum, Distinction 40, canon 6.
In Latin: "Quia si papa esset hereticus non sibi soli noceret sed toti mundo, praesertim quia simplices et idiote facile sequerentur illam heresim cuм crederent non esse heresim."

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #63 on:** April 04, 2011, 09:51:29 PM »

Tele,

You are thinking like a Catholic. Of course they wait in vain, in the sense of salvation, because the Messiah already came for that purpose. We all know this.

The Congregation is saying they do not wait in vain in the sense that their Messiah IS indeed coming. Just not who they expect or for the purpose they expect. What these ecuмenical statements deliberately leave out is precisely the "significant silence" Vennari pointed out.