Author Topic: The Diploid Conspiracy (Read 757 times)

Jon_in_Charlotte · « **on:** May 13, 2008, 07:57:22 AM »

Forgive me if I'm rehashing an older posting. I researched the last 10 listings of posts and read a number of posts concerning vaccinations, but, not specifically of those derived from fetal tissue (diploid cells).

As my wife and I have become very active in the pro-life efforts within our community we came upon the fact that numerous vaccines, mandatory vaccines for school children, such as chickenpox and the MMR (no ethical alternative available) were created from the destruction of human life (aborted fetal tissue providing the cell lines).

Only our eldest daughter received her first innocculations of these vaccines. She didn't receive her boosters. Our subsequent children have not received any of these shots. The dilemma we now face is that our Diocese doesn't allow for religious exemptions of vaccines for students (only a few Dioceses in the United States does not allow for these exemptions).

Needless to say, it seems that we're fighting a battle that nobody appears to be aware of and those who learn of it are either apalled or side with the fears that are projected from the health and science community of not using the vaccines.

The Church position is that it calls for the opposition of the creating and marketing of these vaccines, however, because of the potential health threat it allows for the use of these vaccines as they have been determined to be only moderately remote in their sinfulness.

A number of the issues I have on the subject.
1. Why hasn't this story been reported on a broader scale? It seems that 99.9 percent of the population is unaware that they themselves have received these vaccines and are now injecting their children with them. Considering that approximately half of the voting population in the U.S. opposes abortion it seems fairly obvious that if the subject were common knowledge that their would be a strong opposition to the existence of these vaccines. It would seem that this story is sensational enough to warrant media attention.

2. My biggest concern is that abortion is intrisically evil. The vaccines in question came as the result of exploiting abortion. I'm not an expert on the practices of the occult, however, I have the understanding that blood sacrifices, in particular human sacrifices are rituals performed in the worship of Satan, black arts, etc...

Maybe I'm extreme in my thinking, but, couldn't these mandatory vaccines that are marketed to society for their health and welfare, alleviating personal fears, actually be cursed?

How is it that society is completely in the dark on this subject?

It seems that if our world is in a spiritual battle it would be detrimental towards our salvation to willfully inject ourselves with the remnants of murdered innocents.

These vaccines were being created prior to the legalization of abortion.

It seems a wicked conspiracy to perform the gruesome task of murdering an innocent, using it's flesh for the purpose of creating a potion, marketing the potion as a cure for disease, exploiting public fear regarding the disease(s), establishing law (Roe v. Wade) that allows for the use of the potion, injecting the public (repeatedly) with the potion under the disguise that it's a neccessity for the welfare of public health.

A number of companies are presently working on flu vaccines that have been derived from diploid cells. What are the odds that a terrible, life threatening, flu pandemic will be reported in the near future?

Any thoughts or insights on the matter would be much appreciated.

The site below provides much insight on the issue;
http://www.cogforlife.org/

Dawn · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2008, 11:43:59 AM »

Jon, it is very sad that more are not acting upon what you and I already know to be true. In my own life I have found that most are not willing to buck the system and so they line their children up for their sceduled vaccinations with no questions asked. I am the only one in my family of 7 children that ever said no to the shots, and this only after my oldest (16.5) had received her shots to the age of 5. It is then that I became aware and said no, and this to the head shaking of my husband and other family members. Next, I had to tell the doctors no shots when my babies were born. I even told one of my doctors who told me that I was being irrational with my fears of the shots, that he was being very Dr. Mengele like in using the aborted babies to promote health in the babies that were lucky enough to "make the cut" and be born. The nurse in the room actually applauded me for that one.
So, you are correct that these poor aborted children are being used as sacrifices to Satan.
You are correct that most people go along to get along. The fact is that with the ever increasing awarness of the link to autism with vaccines, many many know but are sheep that follow the line to wherever it leads.
The fight in the media will be absent because the power and money of big pharma will never allow the truth to be told.

Dawn · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2008, 11:50:17 AM »

Sorry, I forgot to address your Church. I am a homeschool mother so I do not fact that problem. Does your school actually require a form from your pastor? If so, does your individual pastor understand how you feel and will he help? I am sure that others on this board will know how to handle that.

Jon_in_Charlotte · « **Reply #3 on:** May 13, 2008, 02:05:47 PM »

Hi Dawn,

In my Diocese, of Charlotte, N.C., there is only one Catholic school that allows for religious exemptions. It does so because it's a parish operated school and not run by the Diocese school system.

Many of the persons, including priests, that I have brought attention to the matter have been supportive. One priest stated that we were striving towards an ideal. However, in the effort to recieve an exemption we were directed, by an authority within the Diocese - not the Bishop, that the Diocese doesn't allow for exemptions and used a position presented in the article "Catholics Refusals of Immunization", by Edward Furton published in Ethics and Medics, Dec. 2005.

I've learned that those Diocese' that do not allow for exemptions typically have a person who has a science or medical backround in a place of authority. That is the case in Charlotte.

I went so far as to contact a priest that works at the National Catholic Bioethics Center to gain some perspective on the situation. He quickly replied with a link to an article written on the subject;
http://www.ncbcenter.org/FrTad_MSOOB_2.asp

In my response to the priest I quoted a passage (I presume I was filled with the spirit);
Luke 11:48, "Consequently, you bear witness and give consent to the deeds of your ancestors, for they killed them and you do the building."

What is truly perverse about the situation is that if my family were Jehovah Witnesses then the Diocese would allow for an exemption!?!

Honestly, I thankful for being aware of the situation as I'm convinced that there is something diabolical about these vaccines. How can an entire culture be asleep regarding such a sensitive subject?

Dawn · « **Reply #4 on:** May 13, 2008, 03:46:26 PM »

I simply do not understand. People are aware and just too mind-controlled and lethargic to do anything. Most in my own life that I talk to are almost Zombie like in their quest to fulfill the must-do list of the government. It talks spunk like yours to stand up and not only question but speak up.

marasmius · « **Reply #5 on:** May 13, 2008, 07:19:50 PM »

Jon_in_Charlotte · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2008, 11:54:02 AM »

Dawn - I'd agree that the evolution of prescription drugs and the media has contributed to the slumbered state of society. I believe this conditioning of society has led to it's unawareness on matters concerning salvation.

The issue that I'm most perplexed by is whether or not the vaccines in question can cause spiritual harm.

My interpretation of the Church's position is that it allows for the use of these vaccines because it has determined them to be a mild sin due to the fact that these abortions occurred over 30 years ago. The vaccines are among the many sins that Catholics have to be tolerant of in our present world. However, the Church still calls for Catholics to stand up and oppose any future efforts of creating and marketing any vaccines derived from fetal cell lines.

My Gut, or Conscience, tells me something else. I percieve that the continual usage of these vaccines perpetuates the sin that created them. Is it logical to suggest that the health benefits justifies the murder of the innocents? What's more, the perpetuation continues regardless to the fact that most of the vaccines are not life threatening, some have been eradicated or near eradicated, and these results have not come as a result of the vaccination process, but, rather from the progresses made in developing good hygene.

The issue of my greatest concern is whether these vaccines are capable of proliferation. I readily admit that this theory might be a case of an over ambitious imagination, however, if proliferation is shown to occur from a natural standpoint then I trust it fair to presume that it's capable from a spiritual standpoint.

Below is a link to an article from January 08 regarding the development of the polio vaccine, as well as, the aids virus.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2830.shtml

The article details how the polio vaccine created from monkey kidney cells established a monkey virus that contaminated the vaccine. They named the virus Simeon Virus 40 or SV40.

Studies showed that the virus caused cancer in test animals, but, didn't immediately show results in humans. It wasn't until the mid 80's that SV40 was discovered in the brain tumors of young children - too young to have ever recieve the contaminated version of the polio vaccine. By the mid 90's scientists were discovering SV40 in a variety of bone and brain cancers.

So, the logic being that if a natural proliferation can occur as the result of a tainted vaccine containing a virus becoming a cancer, then a spiritual proliferation could occur as the result of a tainted vaccine containing the remnants of sin becoming spiritual cancer?

It states in the article that the SV40 related cancers could take longer than 17-19 years to appear. Imagine if, similarly, the proposed diploid related spiritual cancers took the same period to begin to appear. This would mean that for many individuals the spiritual cancer would begin to take shape as they were attending college.

Dawn · « **Reply #7 on:** May 15, 2008, 07:21:56 AM »

My own opinion, I think if one knows then yes, one would be guilty of the sin. Now, since Vatican II it is incuмbent for us all to read what the Church has always held to be truth. YOu mention that there are certain types of sins that we Catholics have to be tolerant of and I tell you that NO Pontiff would have ever said to become tolerant (because that leads to indifference and tolerance in the end). And, so then, we must make ourselves aware of these things and practice our faith according to what we know to be held true before Modernism took over the Church.
Your common sense tells you to run from shots harvested from aborted children, the Church officials waffle at best or remain silent. Your common sense is really the grace from your Sacrament of Baptism so listen to it.
Can you home teach your children?